2009/9/21 Cristian Rodríguez :

On 21/09/09 17:25, Juan Erbes wrote:

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Some years ago, appeared in the gtk libraries the legend "gtk is widget". But now, if I try to install the amule package from the packman web site (for opensuse 11.1), it requires the wxwidgets package (it's now in the factory Packman repo), and if I install this package, it overwrites the libries files of wxGTK,m and the aplicatiosn compiled with wxGTK (such as audacity), do'nt work anymore, but now works amule.

Fill bug reports where appropiate.

Where do you think, I should file a bug report? Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

2009/9/21 Cristian Rodríguez :

On 21/09/09 17:41, Juan Erbes wrote:

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2009/9/21 Cristian Rodríguez :

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On 21/09/09 17:25, Juan Erbes wrote:

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Some years ago, appeared in the gtk libraries the legend "gtk is widget". But now, if I try to install the amule package from the packman web site (for opensuse 11.1), it requires the wxwidgets package (it's now in the factory Packman repo), and if I install this package, it overwrites the libries files of wxGTK,m and the aplicatiosn compiled with wxGTK (such as audacity), do'nt work anymore, but now works amule.

Fill bug reports where appropiate.

Where do you think, I should file a bug report?

if wxWidgets is now used, it must follow the library packaging policy..

The wxWidgets packages are only in the packman repo. They are not in the official Opensuse repos. Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

* Juan Erbes (jerbes@gmail.com) [20090921 23:41]:

Where do you think, I should file a bug report?

No bug report will help in this case unless packman also has a bug tracker. Instead you should send an email to whoever builds the amule package and ask him if he could build his package against the system wxGTK package. Otherwise you could dl the amule.src.rpm, unpack it in a place of your choice with unrpm, edit the .spec file to use wxGTK in place of wxwidgets and then build your own amule.rpm. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

* Juan Erbes (jerbes@gmail.com) [20090922 18:45]:

I tried to build amule from the src.rpm with the command rpmbuild --rebuild amule.src.rpm but I got some errors.

That won't do what you want because it will buuild against the wrong library package.

I will try to edit the spec file as You said.

I'd be interested wether that works. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

* Cristian Morales Vega (cmorve69@yahoo.es) [20090922 21:09]:

wxWidgets/wxWidgets-devel, from Packman, "provides" wxGTK. So even after editing the spec file both libraries will be accepted.

Given that Packman's wxWidgets is incompatible with our wxGTK that IMNSHO calls for a cluebat commando.

The problem *this time* is that openSUSE builds wih --enable-stl and Packman doesn't.

The problem here are the wxWidgets developers themselves. They recommend compiling with --enable-stl but don't make it the default. Using STL containers will disable some wxWidget features, which makes it necessary to change code that relies on those features. Again the wxWidgets folks could have made it simpler be making --enable-stl the default and thus increasing the pressure on authors of packages that use wxWidgets to change their code.

- Not sure why Packman builds an specific version. It's supposed to provide extra features, but it's not clear which ones. So users can't make an informed decision about which version they want. - There seems to be zero cooperation between openSUSE and Packman packagers. Perhaps those extra features could be added to the openSUSE package if asked?

I had the same idea and now that factory is open to all there is no need for two wxWidgets packages. So I've sent a mail to both the packman and the openSUSE maintainer to get them to talk to each other. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

2009/9/25 Stanislav Brabec :

I see another wxGTK ABI problem in 11.2: GSocket is defined by as C stricture in GLib inherited from GTK+ GSocket is defined as class by wxGTK I made an ugly work around for 11.2, which probably breaks ABI as well.

Note there is this patch: http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/10883, Packman uses it. I have to go and have no time to thing this, anyway probably you should ask some of the binutils guys. The patch from trac seems to not break the ABI, but at runtime the resolved symbol would depend of the linking order (a good side effect of now using --as-needed in 11.2 is that probably the linking order will always be correct?). Still, the C vs C++ symbol name mangling should not avoid this problem?? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

2009/9/22 Philipp Thomas :

* Juan Erbes (jerbes@gmail.com) [20090921 23:41]:

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Where do you think, I should file a bug report?

No bug report will help in this case unless packman also has a bug tracker. Instead you should send an email to whoever builds the amule package and ask him if he could build his package against the system wxGTK package. Otherwise you could dl the amule.src.rpm, unpack it in a place of your choice with unrpm, edit the .spec file to use wxGTK in place of wxwidgets and then build your own amule.rpm.

If I do: unrpm aMule-2.2.5-0.pm.4.src.rpm I get 3 files plus: ls aMule-2.2.5-0.pm.4.src.rpm aMule-2.2.5.tar.bz2 aMule-CVS-wx_utils.h.patch aMule.spec How I do continue the rebuild after modify the aMule.spec? Half hour ago, I made a "zypper dup", and I found this list of packages that will change provider, and the great news, that today appeared the audacity package in the Packman repo (I mean it was build with the wxWdgets libraries): http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/factory/i586/ Los siguientes paquetes van a cambiar de proveedor: audacity openSUSE -> http://packman.links2linux.de enca openSUSE -> openSUSE-Education faad2 VideoLAN Project (http://www.videolan.org) -> Packman GeoIP http://packman.links2linux.de -> openSUSE java-1_5_0-sun openSUSE Build Service -> openSUSE java-1_6_0-sun openSUSE Build Service -> openSUSE java-1_6_0-sun-plugin openSUSE Build Service -> openSUSE lame Packman -> VideoLAN Project (http://www.videolan.org) libfaad2 http://packman.links2linux.de -> Packman libfaad-devel http://packman.links2linux.de -> Packman libGeoIP1 http://packman.links2linux.de -> openSUSE libGeoIP-devel http://packman.links2linux.de -> openSUSE libquicktime-devel openSUSE -> http://packman.links2linux.de libtwolame0 packman.links2linux.de -> http://packman.links2linux.de libtwolame-devel packman.links2linux.de -> http://packman.links2linux.de libvstream-client-devel packman.links2linux.de -> http://packman.links2linux.de libx264-72 VideoLAN Project (http://www.videolan.org) -> Packman libxine1 openSUSE -> http://packman.links2linux.de libxine1-gnome-vfs openSUSE -> http://packman.links2linux.de libxine1-pulse openSUSE -> http://packman.links2linux.de libxine-devel openSUSE -> http://packman.links2linux.de mjpegtools openSUSE -> Packman mjpegtools-devel openSUSE -> Packman twolame packman.links2linux.de -> http://packman.links2linux.de vstream-client packman.links2linux.de -> http://packman.links2linux.de w32codec-all packman.links2linux.de -> http://packman.links2linux.de xmms packman.links2linux.de -> http://packman.links2linux.de xmms-lib packman.links2linux.de -> http://packman.links2linux.de yasm openSUSE -> Packman yasm-devel openSUSE -> Packman Thanks to all, including tha Packman team, and Pascal Bleser. Regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

2009/9/23 Philipp Thomas :

* Juan Erbes (jerbes@gmail.com) [20090923 03:35]:

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How I do continue the rebuild after modify the aMule.spec?

rpmbuild aMule.spec

Should do the trick.

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I mean it was build with the wxWdgets libraries

Keep in mind that these are basically the same libraries but with a different name.

Theoretically the libraries wxWidgets and wxGTK are equal, and even the names of the libraries files in the system also. But in practice are not equal If a application is builded with wxGTK, and in the system is the wxWidgets from the same version, ther application fails. The same applies in reverse. Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

2009/9/21 Carlos E. R.

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On Monday, 2009-09-21 at 17:27 -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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On 21/09/09 17:25, Juan Erbes wrote:

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Some years ago, appeared in the gtk libraries the legend "gtk is widget". But now, if I try to install the amule package from the packman web site (for opensuse 11.1), it requires the wxwidgets package (it's now in the factory Packman repo), and if I install this package, it overwrites the libries files of wxGTK,m and the aplicatiosn compiled with wxGTK (such as audacity), do'nt work anymore, but now works amule.

Fill bug reports where appropiate.

Which is...?

Ie, is it wxGTK's fault, or is it wxwidgets? Or is it perhaps amule's fault? Or all three?

Your answer is not very informative...

For more information, see the thread "aMule para Opensuse 11.2" in the opensuse-es list. Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 22 September 2009 00:37:18 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Fill bug reports where appropiate.

Which is...?

Ie, is it wxGTK's fault, or is it wxwidgets? Or is it perhaps amule's fault? Or all three?

Your answer is not very informative...

And the question is not very helpful on opensuse-factory either. As I just talked about high traffic ;( Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Op 24-09-09 21:24, Carlos E. R. schreef:

Well, the question has spurred a usefull conversation about how can the issue be solved. We plain users can do little without help from insiders...

- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

Unfortunately he is right... If people are under stress because deadlines are approaching, they become unreasonable. This is a natural proces. So is the reaction when it seems that there is no time.. To understand this, takes away the need to put others under stress, and make unnessesary decisions, that eventualy will not lead to the desired goal. Some might see this as 'OT', or rant. But it just makes clear the value of inner peace. If we die, the world stops (for us). Just be cool(o), and everything will be allright... ;) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.31-8-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-SFN1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 7 (x86_64) KDE: 4.3.1 (KDE 4.3.1) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org