Hi, houghi wrote:

That does already exist. Sort of. Stable is 10.1. Testing is Factory and unstable is adding extra repositories and install stuff from non-suse places.

As least that is how I see it.

Well, sometimes the dependencies are broken in Factory. Therefore I would label Factory as "Unstable" and the alpha releases as "Testing". Actually, I really dislike how long it sometimes takes until the dependencies are corrected. For instance gcc-fortran was split into libgfortran.rpm and gcc-fortran.rpm. It took about three weeks until also the libgfortran.rpm was part of Factory. (I think also the current Factory tree has packages-dependency problems, at least I miss two xorg-x11-lib*rpm packages: libXft.so.1 and libXaw.so.8. The xorg*rpm are all dated 6 to 8 Aug.) Tobias

Hi, Stefan Dirsch schrieb:

Both libs are in xorg-x11-libs.

Ok, I was mislead by: # rpm -Uvh xorg-x11-* error: Failed dependencies: libXft.so.1 is needed by (installed) intel-iidb91036-9.1.036-1.i386 libXaw.so.8()(64bit) is needed by (installed) xterm-215-2.x86_64 The problem is not that libXft and libXaw are missing, but that only libXft.so.2 is provided and not libXft.so.1 anymore. -> bug 198432 Tobias

Tobias Burnus a écrit :

Well, sometimes the dependencies are broken in Factory. Therefore I would label Factory as "Unstable" and the alpha releases as "Testing".

For them who are not familiar with debian names, http://www.debian.org/releases/ stable is debian 3.1 Sarge. Debian become "3" 3 or 4 years ago :-), it's used mainly for servers, I don't know many users keeping it on a desktop. it could be seen as our 10.0 (or may be the comercial Novell version, with it's 5 years support sheme) Testing is "Etch". Testing cicle is very long, around two years, sometimes more. It's like our 10.1 (the zen updater problem is absolutely excluded from stable but not from testing). It's probably the most used one, not promoted as stable as long as bugs are seen. unstable is what the title say, safe for the name wich is always the same, that is "Sid". It can be seen as our "Factory". One must have a good heart to use unstable :-) I think this sheme is very nice. Of course it's perfectly fitted for the Debian all voluntary support system, but it has also the advantage to stop grinning about "bugs". It's normal to have bugs on testing I think we could keep the "stable" version on 10.0 as long as it's supported or at least one year after the 10.1 release. this shifting sheme set much less stress on the debuggers and in fact, there are probably too many SUSE versions around here. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

Andreas Jaeger a écrit :

My plan is more to integrate risky stuff as early as possible, e.g. patterns now and X11R7 now ;-)

I would say X11R7 yes (we are not the only ones to test it), but Pattern... we are not even sure of what they are :-() - so be extremely carefull. May make them optional for 10.2 and keep the good old system we use for years :-)

We'll release tomorrow. I really want to give you a distribution that you can install without hand-editing the grub files and where you cannot make any changes to the patterns ;-)

honestly, for Factory I don't care :-) just how many time was them between zen updater inclusion and 10.1 release? and what is the final release fixed for 10.2? if we want it before the end of the year, we have 4 month. it's fairly short. some enhancements are expected by many (I think of Kde or Gnome versions) so we are nearly obliged to give some. others are brand new and are not that urgent (btw I don't know what the others distributions do) may be we should have somewhere a discussion of the far future of openSUSE (not 10.2 but 11 or 12), some sort of brainstorming to make the next century Linux :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos