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I'd prefer Release Notes being displayed before installation, not afterwards: It's like the RPM for some database having packed a file README saying you'll have to back-up your database before installing that RPM...

That's an good option also. But now there is something in it from Pango/Firefox and users forget that note if they see it before all the installation-information. maybe it can be splitted in Read before and read-after. If nit, then it is indeed better to place it at top.

So, you guys are actually starting an installation of some software _without_ looking at the release notes on the installation medium _before_? I'd say the solution is pretty easy, the file RELEASE-NOTES.en.txt is available in the "docu" directory, you should make use of it.

So you guy are somebody that only think about geeks instead of home-desktop-users? I'd say the solution is to give everybody a PC-training so they will lean to be as the Linux-geeks...then they will read the releasenoted before installation. As long we don't have a training for home-users like that they will probably never see the releasenoted before the installation-proces. Beers, Azerion

You asume people will read it if it were somewhere else. They don't, iiregardless of their training or level.

I meant "they will never read the releases-notes on the CD before they start the setup". I think 50% of the noob-peoplewill read the release-notes though if they show up during the setup. Azerion

Am Donnerstag, 9. März 2006 20:15 schrieb houghi:

On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 06:34:53PM +0100, Azerion wrote:

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I think 50% of the noob-peoplewill read the release-notes though if they show up during the setup.

I think it is about 0%. People who read release notes are a minority, no matter where they are. During the installation on the left side you have an explanation of what is what.

I have been next to a person during installation and he asked me questions that were answered in that text. Even when I told him where the text was, he did not read it. That is reality.

You must just asume that people don't read it.

houghi

With Anarchy Online I always read the release notes while the patches were downloading and installing... Wouldn't mind it as a 3rd tab on the package installation section, watch the packages go past, watch the pretty "adverts" or read the release notes... It's a boring time waiting for packages to load, give the users important to read then and they might just do it... :-D Dave -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck

On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 08:36:26AM +0100, Ulrich Windl wrote:

It may be that 98% of the Linux users are just idiots, but maybe the remaining 2% have some professional attitude towards upgrading software, and those will actually take the advantage to read it.

I do not say that whatever percentage are idiots. I say that they do not read this kind of thing. Calling them idiots, because they do not do something that you do is extremely arrogant. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

On 9 Mar 2006 at 18:10, Azerion wrote:

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I'd prefer Release Notes being displayed before installation, not afterwards: It's like the RPM for some database having packed a file README saying you'll have to back-up your database before installing that RPM...

That's an good option also. But now there is something in it from Pango/Firefox and users forget that note if they see it before all the installation-information. maybe it can be splitted in Read before and read-after. If nit, then it is indeed better to place it at top.

Maybe add two buttons. "OK" and "Later": For "Later" it will displayed again at the end of the installation. [...] Ulrich

On 9 Mar 2006 at 18:03, Manfred Hollstein wrote:

On Thu, 09 Mar 2006, 15:54:26 +0100, Ulrich Windl wrote:

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On 9 Mar 2006 at 13:56, Azerion wrote:

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Could someone tell me why the releasesnotes are shown before the hardware-configuration? I always thought that release-notes where shown at the end. Can it be replaced or does it have a function in this order?

I'd prefer Release Notes being displayed before installation, not afterwards: It's like the RPM for some database having packed a file README saying you'll have to back-up your database before installing that RPM...

So, you guys are actually starting an installation of some software _without_ looking at the release notes on the installation medium _before_? I'd say the solution is pretty easy, the file RELEASE-NOTES.en.txt is available in the "docu" directory, you should make use of it.

Is this really an argument to display the release Notes after installation? Ulrich

What other place would you place it? Perhaps they could be more to the beginning, just after the licence agreement.

That would be a nice place. Azerion

On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 07:29:43PM +0100, Juergen Weigert wrote:

I suggest to provide for two more choices to spend the time:

c) study the release-notes, or d) play tetris.

Full ACK. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

On 9 Mar 2006 at 18:18, houghi wrote:

On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:56:15PM +0100, Azerion wrote:

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Could someone tell me why the releasesnotes are shown before the hardware-configuration? I always thought that release-notes where shown at the end. Can it be replaced or does it have a function in this order?

What other place would you place it? Perhaps they could be more to the beginning, just after the licence agreement.

Add it to the slide show ;-) Ulrich

On 10 Mar 2006 at 13:10, Azerion wrote:

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What other place would you place it? Perhaps they could be more to the beginning, just after the licence agreement.

Add it to the slide show ;-)

Ulrich

Will we see the slideshow with an Network-install? I thought that when you network it that you do not see the slide-show......

The network-based installation will use SysV "banner" to display the release notes scrolling by, while all images are converted to ASCII art... ;-) Ulrich

On 10 Mar 2006 at 12:13, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

houghi writes:

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On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:56:15PM +0100, Azerion wrote:

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Could someone tell me why the releasesnotes are shown before the hardware-configuration? I always thought that release-notes where shown at the end. Can it be replaced or does it have a function in this order?

What other place would you place it? Perhaps they could be more to the beginning, just after the licence agreement.

We have two versions of the release notes: * The ones coming with the product * Then later after network setup, we download the updated version via network as part of the network setup test.

Actually you have three versions: The third one comes later with YOU ;-)

The later are shown then directly after they are downloaded (or if download fails the initial ones).

The initial ones can be shown anytime, there's a button directly at the first screens (at least at the proposal) to display the release notes, so you can look at them,

Hmm..do we have four? If you have a driver update medium, can it have release notes as well? Ulrich