[opensuse-factory] following bugzilla
Hello, I would like to help debugging through bugzilla. I'm not a programmer, but I install many openSUSE and have many installed version (both VirtualBox and real hardware), so I sometime can help testing. I subscribe to the opensuse-bug list, but this one a a bit overhelming, too much traffic. I would like to follow at first only the news bugs, to see if I can help on them. I could filter by "NEW" flag, but then I will filter out also my own reported bugs. using filters this way looks a bit difficult (even if probably possible). That said, I noticed the "email preference" in my bugzilla user prefs. I see a "QA test" column. Is this a developper assignment or is this a group open to simple testers? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Hello,
I would like to help debugging through bugzilla. I'm not a programmer, but I install many openSUSE and have many installed version (both VirtualBox and real hardware), so I sometime can help testing.
I subscribe to the opensuse-bug list, but this one a a bit overhelming, too much traffic.
I would like to follow at first only the news bugs, to see if I can help on them. I could filter by "NEW" flag, but then I will filter out also my own reported bugs. using filters this way looks a bit difficult (even if probably possible).
Hi jdd I use a separate address for the entire list, my personal address is only copied on bugs I'm CC-subscribed to. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le 16/03/2011 10:27, Per Jessen a écrit :
I use a separate address for the entire list, my personal address is only copied on bugs I'm CC-subscribed to.
yes, probably the better choice for now. that said similar option in bugzilla preferences could make this more attractive for advanced users thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Op 16-03-11 11:20, jdd schreef:
Le 16/03/2011 10:27, Per Jessen a écrit :
I use a separate address for the entire list, my personal address is only copied on bugs I'm CC-subscribed to. yes, probably the better choice for now.
that said similar option in bugzilla preferences could make this more attractive for advanced users
thanks jdd
The list is tremendous! 552 in 2 days... I have to unsubscribe because it is way too much mail.. my main concern is the fact that no mention is made for which version of what distro these bugs are. The way it is now, is almost impossible to screen, if one doesn't have the first report.. Would it be difficult to implement the possibility to select from the bugzilla list only one or two specific versions to be subscribed on? fi: oS 11.3 and/or 11.4, or 11.5? If this would be possible, other distros that use the bugzilla would be beneficial also.. (but maybe this goes too far for now...) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, on Mittwoch, 16. März 2011, Oddball wrote: [opensuse-bugs ML]
my main concern is the fact that no mention is made for which version of what distro these bugs are.
Have a look at the mail headers - they contain several X-Bugzilla-* headers that can be used for filtering the mails. If you are more interested in *new* bugs, there might be another way: 1) use my search "new bugs (-3d)" or "new bugs (-7d)" which will give you new openSUSE bugreports from the last 3 or 7 days. These searches are available in bugzilla under Preferences - Saved searches. (This also implies that you have to check bugzilla every 3 or 7 days at least.) 2a) add yourself to the CC of bugs that are interesting to you - or - 2b) mark bugs interesting for you with a tag in bugzilla using the "named tag" bar at the bugzilla footer. You'll then get this tag as search in the footer. This is my current way to monitor various bugs - the list of bugs I tagged with "watchlist" is quite long... (Hint: sorting your bugzilla list by "last changed" is recommended to make this method useful.) Regards, Christian Boltz --
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Op 17-03-11 00:57, Christian Boltz schreef:
Hello,
my main concern is the fact that no mention is made for which version of what distro these bugs are. Have a look at the mail headers - they contain several X-Bugzilla-*
on Mittwoch, 16. März 2011, Oddball wrote: [opensuse-bugs ML] headers that can be used for filtering the mails.
If you are more interested in *new* bugs, there might be another way:
1) use my search "new bugs (-3d)" or "new bugs (-7d)" which will give you new openSUSE bugreports from the last 3 or 7 days. These searches are available in bugzilla under Preferences - Saved searches. (This also implies that you have to check bugzilla every 3 or 7 days at least.)
If a followup is sent on an existing bug, there is no mention of version and distro the bug is filed against. This means, one has to click the link in the mail, to go to the bugzilla, to find out about this. With 200+ mails a day this is a rather large task. Certainly at the start. this is the bugzilla itself you are talking about, which is correct, and i've been using this effective method already some time ago.. (until other things took my attention, and i only have 24 hours in a day as everybody, but a very limited amount of hours can be used for other things than are necessary to keep everything on track here.)
2a) add yourself to the CC of bugs that are interesting to you
This is the preferable way to stay 'in touch' with the bugchanges, i agree.
- or -
2b) mark bugs interesting for you with a tag in bugzilla using the "named tag" bar at the bugzilla footer. You'll then get this tag as search in the footer. This is my current way to monitor various bugs - the list of bugs I tagged with "watchlist" is quite long... (Hint: sorting your bugzilla list by "last changed" is recommended to make this method useful.) Indeed.....you are right. You need to be 'in' the bugzilla to track. Following the bugs from the bugmailinglist is not the way to 'watch' or help solving bugs..
Regards,
Christian Boltz
Thnx for your reply... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Op 17-03-11 13:00, Oddball schreef:
Op 17-03-11 00:57, Christian Boltz schreef:
Hello, [snip] - or -
2b) mark bugs interesting for you with a tag in bugzilla using the "named tag" bar at the bugzilla footer. You'll then get this tag as search in the footer. This is my current way to monitor various bugs - the list of bugs I tagged with "watchlist" is quite long... (Hint: sorting your bugzilla list by "last changed" is recommended to make this method useful.) Indeed.....you are right. You need to be 'in' the bugzilla to track. Following the bugs from the bugmailinglist is not the way to 'watch' or help solving bugs..
Regards,
Christian Boltz
Thnx for your reply...
It is not easy to make a good bugreport, especialy the subject line is difficult. Just few ppl use the version number and distro in their subjectline. How difficult would it be (if necessary at all) to add distro and version automaticly to the subject line of the report of which the mail is going to be sent? Something like: [Bug 677425][openSUSE][11.4] `zypper dup` remove liblzma This would ease the search in mailinglist mail a lot. Just an idea, nothing more... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Oddball schrieb:
How difficult would it be (if necessary at all) to add distro and version automaticly to the subject line of the report of which the mail is going to be sent? Something like: [Bug 677425][openSUSE][11.4] `zypper dup` remove liblzma This would ease the search in mailinglist mail a lot.
If you have an email client that allows this (like Thunderbird or SeaMonkey - at least I hear from some people they do stuff like that), you can make it display the X-Bugzilla-Product header, for example, which does show you e.g. "openSUSE 11.4" - it's right there in the "bugmail", just that it's in a header and not the mail body. Robert Kaiser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Op 17-03-11 14:41, Robert Kaiser schreef:
Oddball schrieb:
How difficult would it be (if necessary at all) to add distro and version automaticly to the subject line of the report of which the mail is going to be sent? Something like: [Bug 677425][openSUSE][11.4] `zypper dup` remove liblzma This would ease the search in mailinglist mail a lot.
If you have an email client that allows this (like Thunderbird or SeaMonkey - at least I hear from some people they do stuff like that), you can make it display the X-Bugzilla-Product header, for example, which does show you e.g. "openSUSE 11.4" - it's right there in the "bugmail", just that it's in a header and not the mail body.
Robert Kaiser
Nice hint! That would be just the solution for me....(and probably some others) ..now just to find how to do this.. ;-p Thnx... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Op 17-03-11 16:05, Oddball schreef:
Op 17-03-11 14:41, Robert Kaiser schreef:
If you have an email client that allows this (like Thunderbird or SeaMonkey - at least I hear from some people they do stuff like that), you can make it display the X-Bugzilla-Product header, for example, which does show you e.g. "openSUSE 11.4" - it's right there in the "bugmail", just that it's in a header and not the mail body.
Robert Kaiser
Nice hint! That would be just the solution for me....(and probably some others) ..now just to find how to do this.. ;-p
Thnx...
It is indeed very simpel to reduce the amount of mail considerable with this filter: Total 561 (in 2 days) filter: opensuse: 198 opensuse 11 : 186 opensuse 11.4 : 111 -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/17/2011 08:13 AM, Oddball wrote:
Op 17-03-11 13:00, Oddball schreef:
Op 17-03-11 00:57, Christian Boltz schreef:
Hello, [snip] - or -
2b) mark bugs interesting for you with a tag in bugzilla using the "named tag" bar at the bugzilla footer. You'll then get this tag as search in the footer. This is my current way to monitor various bugs - the list of bugs I tagged with "watchlist" is quite long... (Hint: sorting your bugzilla list by "last changed" is recommended to make this method useful.) Indeed.....you are right. You need to be 'in' the bugzilla to track. Following the bugs from the bugmailinglist is not the way to 'watch' or help solving bugs..
Regards,
Christian Boltz
Thnx for your reply...
It is not easy to make a good bugreport, especialy the subject line is difficult. Just few ppl use the version number and distro in their subjectline. How difficult would it be (if necessary at all) to add distro and version automaticly to the subject line of the report of which the mail is going to be sent? Something like: [Bug 677425][openSUSE][11.4] `zypper dup` remove liblzma This would ease the search in mailinglist mail a lot.
Just an idea, nothing more...
Making changes to the Novell Bugzilla involves a *lot* of inertia, even for internal people. It's shared across the entire Novell product line and there are lot of considerations that go into it that are very complicated and that I'm not sure I entirely understand myself. That said, the process of trying to add features to such a heavy beast has encouraged a few of us to build a prototype bug reporting system for openSUSE that is both more lightweight and more responsive to the needs of the community. It's Bugzilla now, but even that isn't really locked down. It's not far enough along to share yet but one of the big goals is to allow community members to suggest features like these and have them be discussed with a real possibility of implementation. - -Jeff - -- Jeff Mahoney SUSE Labs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2CJtMACgkQLPWxlyuTD7IbwgCbBaHox2b4qSF1TsKPkki92q+Z pgIAoIdfC7nJLpJ7Lo/GV3qt9Vjy9lYr =t5AK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Op 17-03-11 16:20, Jeff Mahoney schreef:
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On 03/17/2011 08:13 AM, Oddball wrote:
Op 17-03-11 13:00, Oddball schreef:
Op 17-03-11 00:57, Christian Boltz schreef:
Hello, [snip] - or -
2b) mark bugs interesting for you with a tag in bugzilla using the "named tag" bar at the bugzilla footer. You'll then get this tag as search in the footer. This is my current way to monitor various bugs - the list of bugs I tagged with "watchlist" is quite long... (Hint: sorting your bugzilla list by "last changed" is recommended to make this method useful.) Indeed.....you are right. You need to be 'in' the bugzilla to track. Following the bugs from the bugmailinglist is not the way to 'watch' or help solving bugs..
Regards,
Christian Boltz Thnx for your reply...
It is not easy to make a good bugreport, especialy the subject line is difficult. Just few ppl use the version number and distro in their subjectline. How difficult would it be (if necessary at all) to add distro and version automaticly to the subject line of the report of which the mail is going to be sent? Something like: [Bug 677425][openSUSE][11.4] `zypper dup` remove liblzma This would ease the search in mailinglist mail a lot.
Just an idea, nothing more... Making changes to the Novell Bugzilla involves a *lot* of inertia, even for internal people. It's shared across the entire Novell product line and there are lot of considerations that go into it that are very complicated and that I'm not sure I entirely understand myself.
That said, the process of trying to add features to such a heavy beast has encouraged a few of us to build a prototype bug reporting system for openSUSE that is both more lightweight and more responsive to the needs of the community. It's Bugzilla now, but even that isn't really locked down. It's not far enough along to share yet but one of the big goals is to allow community members to suggest features like these and have them be discussed with a real possibility of implementation.
- -Jeff
- -- Jeff Mahoney SUSE Labs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
iEYEARECAAYFAk2CJtMACgkQLPWxlyuTD7IbwgCbBaHox2b4qSF1TsKPkki92q+Z pgIAoIdfC7nJLpJ7Lo/GV3qt9Vjy9lYr =t5AK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Thnx Jeff, this looks promising and very 'open' to me.... ;-)
For now Robert pointed me to the real power of the mailclient filters in TB. And it works better as i had hoped. It is able to reduce the bulk from 561 total to 111 opensuse 11.4 specific bugs, which is considerable, by simply typing opensuse 11.4, in the filtertextbox.. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/16/2011 04:36 AM, jdd wrote:
Hello,
I would like to help debugging through bugzilla. I'm not a programmer, but I install many openSUSE and have many installed version (both VirtualBox and real hardware), so I sometime can help testing.
I subscribe to the opensuse-bug list, but this one a a bit overhelming, too much traffic.
I would like to follow at first only the news bugs, to see if I can help on them. I could filter by "NEW" flag, but then I will filter out also my own reported bugs. using filters this way looks a bit difficult (even if probably possible).
You could probably make the distinction between messages send to opensuse-bugs and messages sent to you in that case.
I see a "QA test" column. Is this a developper assignment or is this a group open to simple testers?
I'm not sure if this is really used. It seems, at least for kernel bugs, to always be set to qa@suse.de. - -Jeff - -- Jeff Mahoney SUSE Labs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2BJuAACgkQLPWxlyuTD7KwOgCfY6YkUfqgPUpCyfCHKURxQ5ED pqgAn3BONAfSIfRu+1Zp/4NxH3DYypGO =X0YC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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