On 09/18/2014 08:19 AM, Kostas Koudaras wrote:

2014-09-18 8:33 GMT+03:00 denisart benjamin2 :

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Le 18/09/2014 07:32, Kostas Koudaras a écrit :

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Hi people of Factory I am prepairing an article about 13.2 beta release so I would like to know what is new and what changed since 13.1, please share. I am interested in everything, expecialy in changes that has ben made in the GUI's, server, extra/improved tools, new programs that people will get in the standard 13.2 beta installation and any extra stuff, anything that you guys worked in the last year and believe is important for people to know. Thanks in advance for your help Kostas

Mate will be officially available :) Any links/or more info to read so I will be able to write something more than this phrase?

Sure there is more, but this should be useful https://news.opensuse.org/2014/07/31/mate-1-8-1-available-on-opensuse/ You can find a lot of inspiration and bits of information just going through the news.o.o archives. Cheers.

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Le 18/09/2014 08:19, Kostas Koudaras a écrit :

2014-09-18 8:33 GMT+03:00 denisart benjamin2 :

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Le 18/09/2014 07:32, Kostas Koudaras a écrit :

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Hi people of Factory I am prepairing an article about 13.2 beta release so I would like to know what is new and what changed since 13.1, please share. I am interested in everything, expecialy in changes that has ben made in the GUI's, server, extra/improved tools, new programs that people will get in the standard 13.2 beta installation and any extra stuff, anything that you guys worked in the last year and believe is important for people to know. Thanks in advance for your help Kostas

Mate will be officially available :) Any links/or more info to read so I will be able to write something more than this phrase? Thanks All changes about Mate inclusion have been published on news.opensuse.org https://news.opensuse.org/2014/07/31/mate-1-8-1-available-on-opensuse/

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Le 22/09/2014 13:55, Manfred Hollstein a écrit :

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Le 18/09/2014 08:19, Kostas Koudaras a écrit :

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2014-09-18 8:33 GMT+03:00 denisart benjamin2 : [...]

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Mate will be officially available :) Any links/or more info to read so I will be able to write something more than this phrase? Thanks All changes about Mate inclusion have been published on news.opensuse.org https://news.opensuse.org/2014/07/31/mate-1-8-1-available-on-opensuse/ you've mentioned that link several times now and I actually looked at

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014, 20:21:02 +0200, denisart benjamin2 wrote: this URL and also the Portal link https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MATE. To be honest, I find this rather confusing. Here are my observations:

a. https://news.opensuse.org/2014/07/31/mate-1-8-1-available-on-opensuse/: "That means that next openSUSE version, 13.2, will include MATE Desktop officially! ... We have changed our repository scheme to avoid people having to change their repositories for each update. Everything is now unified in only one repository, X11:MATE:Current, so you don’t have to go through the repo-changing hassle every release."

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"To install MATE, visit our Portal and utilise the one click install ymp files (simply click on the icons next to the appropriate version)."

If I read and understand this correctly, a user would have to use the "X11:MATE:Current" repository, and installing Mate as a desktop environment must be done by using the one click ymp files (unless you already know which packages must/should be installed).

On the Portal site then:

b. https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MATE:

There are only ymp files for 12.3, 13.1 and Tumbleweed, but none for Factory (or the upcoming 13.2).

As a user wanting to try out Mate, I now would have to download the ymp file closest to Factory and find out, which packages I should install, but not from the "X11:MATE:Current" repository, instead rather using the Factory (or later the 13.2) repository.

Or is there another way to install it? FWIW, there are no mate related patterns, which I had expected...

TIA, cheers.

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Am 23.09.2014 um 18:26 schrieb denisart benjamin2:

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Le 22/09/2014 13:55, Manfred Hollstein a écrit :

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you've mentioned that link several times now and I actually looked at this URL and also the Portal link https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MATE. To be honest, I find this rather confusing. Here are my observations:

a. https://news.opensuse.org/2014/07/31/mate-1-8-1-available-on-opensuse/: "That means that next openSUSE version, 13.2, will include MATE Desktop officially! ... We have changed our repository scheme to avoid people having to change their repositories for each update. Everything is now unified in only one repository, X11:MATE:Current, so you don’t have to go through the repo-changing hassle every release."

and

"To install MATE, visit our Portal and utilise the one click install ymp files (simply click on the icons next to the appropriate version)."

If I read and understand this correctly, a user would have to use the "X11:MATE:Current" repository, and installing Mate as a desktop environment must be done by using the one click ymp files (unless you already know which packages must/should be installed).

On the Portal site then:

b. https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MATE:

There are only ymp files for 12.3, 13.1 and Tumbleweed, but none for Factory (or the upcoming 13.2).

As a user wanting to try out Mate, I now would have to download the ymp file closest to Factory and find out, which packages I should install, but not from the "X11:MATE:Current" repository, instead rather using the Factory (or later the 13.2) repository.

Or is there another way to install it? FWIW, there are no mate related patterns, which I had expected... That means Mate is in official Factory repositories Strange answer since it does not match the question.

Let me tell you another story: I've tried to switch my Factory installation from Gnome to Mate and broke it apparently. I can choose mate from the selection but nothing then it's stuck. There is nothing coming up. Since there is no pattern at all for Mate (why???) I had to choose packages manually and apparently failed. Seems that dependencies are broken. Also tried to find some documentation what I actually need to install but failed again.

Wolfgang Sorry but that s an unwanted effect of using Factory. And Im working on

Le 23/09/2014 18:33, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit : patterns. The issues you mentioned have been fixed. Benjamin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Le 23/09/2014 18:54, Manfred Hollstein a écrit :

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014, 18:41:00 +0200, denisart benjamin2 wrote:

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Le 23/09/2014 18:33, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :

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Am 23.09.2014 um 18:26 schrieb denisart benjamin2:

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Le 22/09/2014 13:55, Manfred Hollstein a écrit : [...]

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As a user wanting to try out Mate, I now would have to download the ymp file closest to Factory and find out, which packages I should install, but not from the "X11:MATE:Current" repository, instead rather using the Factory (or later the 13.2) repository.

Or is there another way to install it? FWIW, there are no mate related patterns, which I had expected... That means Mate is in official Factory repositories Strange answer since it does not match the question.

Let me tell you another story: I've tried to switch my Factory installation from Gnome to Mate and broke it apparently. I can choose mate from the selection but nothing then it's stuck. There is nothing coming up. Since there is no pattern at all for Mate (why???) I had to choose packages manually and apparently failed. Seems that dependencies are broken. Also tried to find some documentation what I actually need to install but failed again.

Wolfgang Sorry but that s an unwanted effect of using Factory. And Im working on patterns. The issues you mentioned have been fixed. ... have been fixed... where?

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Benjamin Cheers.

l8er manfred What are you talking about ? Which bugs ? Be more precise. And if you encountered issuesm why don`t you have open a bug report ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Le 23/09/2014 19:20, Manfred Hollstein a écrit :

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014, 18:58:04 +0200, denisart benjamin2 wrote:

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Le 23/09/2014 18:54, Manfred Hollstein a écrit :

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On Tue, 23 Sep 2014, 18:41:00 +0200, denisart benjamin2 wrote:

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Le 23/09/2014 18:33, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :

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Am 23.09.2014 um 18:26 schrieb denisart benjamin2:

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Le 22/09/2014 13:55, Manfred Hollstein a écrit : [...] > As a user wanting to try out Mate, I now would have to download the ymp > file closest to Factory and find out, which packages I should install, > but not from the "X11:MATE:Current" repository, instead rather using the > Factory (or later the 13.2) repository. > > Or is there another way to install it? FWIW, there are no mate related > patterns, which I had expected... That means Mate is in official Factory repositories Strange answer since it does not match the question.

Let me tell you another story: I've tried to switch my Factory installation from Gnome to Mate and broke it apparently. I can choose mate from the selection but nothing then it's stuck. There is nothing coming up. Since there is no pattern at all for Mate (why???) I had to choose packages manually and apparently failed. Seems that dependencies are broken. Also tried to find some documentation what I actually need to install but failed again.

Wolfgang Sorry but that s an unwanted effect of using Factory. And Im working on patterns. The issues you mentioned have been fixed. ... have been fixed... where?

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Benjamin Cheers.

l8er manfred What are you talking about ? Which bugs ? Be more precise. And if you encountered issuesm why don`t you have open a bug report ? hmm, I thought it was pretty clear, but obviously not.

Like Wolfgang confirmed, there is no (at least no obvious) way to get Mate installed so that it works afterwards. I tried to "zypper install --recommends ..." all the packages listed in the 13.1 ymp (but from the Factory repositories, of course), but the desktop wasn't really usable afterwards (Gnome main menu doesn't want to start, leaving the Mate desktopn *without* a main menu!).

It is my understanding that, for something that should be documented as "xxx is now available in 13.2", we should make sure to make it installable in the first place. Right now it's not, and if you say, "the issues have been fixed", we need to know how and where.

FWIW, as I mentioned before, I tried to install the Mate packages as of yesterday, but I really didn't succeed. FWIW2, I'm currently using XFCE as my desktop session, so I don't know if there are any of XFCE related session services in conflict with Mate.

In any way, there ought to be a pattern-mate-desktop or something similar, otherwise we'll end up in a bad situation for users who aren't familiar with .ymp files (which don't exist for 13.2 or even Factory!) or even the command line.

HTH, cheers.

l8er manfred I Manfred, the issues you're talking about were because of a trouble with gsetting. If you still have a problem, please describe me troubles you meet, it could be helpful.

Wolfgang, you clearly don't know how is working releasing of openSUSE. Of course there is no 13.2 repositories on Current, as it's not stable for the moment. If you wan't to test Mate for 13.2, there are in the OFFICIAL REPOSITORIES, you don't have to add any repo for getting packages. Regards. Benjamin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Le 23/09/2014 20:29, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :

Am 23.09.2014 um 20:08 schrieb denisart benjamin2:

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Wolfgang, you clearly don't know how is working releasing of openSUSE. Of course there is no 13.2 repositories on Current, as it's not stable for the moment. If you wan't to test Mate for 13.2, there are in the OFFICIAL REPOSITORIES, you don't have to add any repo for getting packages. You are sure you are addressing me here? Most probably not because I never claimed something in that direction. Also saying that I wouldn't know how the openSUSE development model works is a bit of an interesting assumption.

I said that I tried to switch my Factory installation from Gnome to Mate and that failed and still is failing. Meanwhile I've got the same result as Manfred with at least a panel coming up but still no main menu available. I don't expect everything to be perfect for 13.2beta or Factory but having a desktop where apparently some experienced people are failing to install correctly should just give a sign that something is weird and should be improved. You said you are working on patterns. That's good. Please do. I'll come back and test once there is a real way to install that beast.

Thanks, Wolfgang We had a lot of issues at first, sorry. But your user experience can be useful. If you can tell me what didn't work or work wrong, it could be helpful. What's wrong with main-menu ? An error message ?

I tested it and don't have any troubles. Regards. Benjamin PS: Sorry, it's me who probably didn't understand :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Le 23/09/2014 23:21, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :

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Le 23/09/2014 20:29, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :

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I said that I tried to switch my Factory installation from Gnome to Mate and that failed and still is failing. Meanwhile I've got the same result as Manfred with at least a panel coming up but still no main menu available. I don't expect everything to be perfect for 13.2beta or Factory but having a desktop where apparently some experienced people are failing to install correctly should just give a sign that something is weird and should be improved. You said you are working on patterns. That's good. Please do. I'll come back and test once there is a real way to install that beast.

Thanks, Wolfgang We had a lot of issues at first, sorry. But your user experience can be useful. If you can tell me what didn't work or work wrong, it could be helpful. What's wrong with main-menu ? An error message ?

I tested it and don't have any troubles. It's just not there. I only have some stuff at the right side of the

Am 23.09.2014 um 23:07 schrieb denisart benjamin2: panel and a note application on the left. But no menu there. Also no error message. (Actually I haven't checked the Xsession logs.)

Wolfgang Very weird. I'll investigate on it but if you could look at the logs, it could be helpful. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Le 05/10/2014 17:38, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :

Hi,

Am 24.09.2014 um 22:40 schrieb denisart benjamin2:

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Le 23/09/2014 23:21, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :

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It's just not there. I only have some stuff at the right side of the panel and a note application on the left. But no menu there. Also no error message. (Actually I haven't checked the Xsession logs.)

Wolfgang Very weird. I'll investigate on it but if you could look at the logs, it could be helpful. finally I found some time. Looking at .xsession-errors showed that nothing provided "marco" and "caja". Given that marco is the window manager I'm wondering why nothing required it :-(

Now .xsession-errors is basically fine: Some warnings about gnome-keyring-daemon and nm-applet but still I don't have a main menu.

Wolfgang Hi wolfgang !

I tried 13.2 + full Mate environment, and main-menu works for me so, honestly, I can't help you :(. About branding, I opened a bug with a draft and am waiting for an answer from maitainers of opensuse-branding. Regards. Benjamin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Le 05/10/2014 17:45, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :

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Le 05/10/2014 17:38, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :

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Now .xsession-errors is basically fine: Some warnings about gnome-keyring-daemon and nm-applet but still I don't have a main menu.

Wolfgang Hi wolfgang !

I tried 13.2 + full Mate environment, and main-menu works for me so, honestly, I can't help you :(. I still doubt that I have the "full Mate environment" since so important

Am 05.10.2014 um 17:44 schrieb denisart benjamin2: things as the window manager wasn't pulled in I expect more components to be missing. So basically I'm waiting for your pattern still.

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Thank you Benjamin! Alexandros On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:06 AM, denisart benjamin2 wrote:

The Mate patterns have been added in Factory and will probably be available soon in 13.2 repositories.

Regards. Benjamin

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Hello guys ! I come back to you. I tested Mate with latest snapshot. I noticed the trouble with StickyNotes, and will fix it as soon as possible. For the rest, it runs just fine, just a trouble with default theme. But that's it. Regards. Benjamin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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2014-09-18 8:43 GMT+03:00 Luca Beltrame :

Kostas Koudaras wrote:

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I am prepairing an article about 13.2 beta release so I would like to know what is new and what changed since 13.1, please share.

KDE Frameworks 5 (libraries) and Plasma 5 (workspace), offered as an option for the people who want to test the newer software offerings from KDE. Cool, can you also tell me the exact KDE version that 13.2 beta will be available in stock? Thanks Kostas P.S I am now downloading it in order to install it but this might take a while, thus all those questions...

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Op maandag 22 september 2014 14:33:04 schreef Luca Beltrame:

In data giovedì 18 settembre 2014 09:25:08, Kostas Koudaras ha scritto:

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Cool, can you also tell me the exact KDE version that 13.2 beta will be available in stock?

It will have the latest stable versions of the KDE Development Platform and Applications: currently we have 4.14.0 in 13.2.

Now 4.14.1 is available and I have it installed. It solved a severe bug in KMail with some types of IMAP servers. After making a change in the configuration of an IMAP account, KMail ends with an error and it can't be used anymore. Maybe I have to configure KDE from scratch. It is not clear to me how to configure only Kontact from scratch. -- fr.gr. Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Hello, Am Montag, 22. September 2014 schrieb Freek de Kruijf:

Now 4.14.1 is available and I have it installed. It solved a severe bug in KMail with some types of IMAP servers. After making a change in the configuration of an IMAP account, KMail ends with an error and it can't be used anymore. Maybe I have to configure KDE from scratch. It is not clear to me how to configure only Kontact from scratch.

touch -d yesterday ~/timestamp find ~/.kde4 -newer timestamp Look for files related to KMail in the find output, and move them away or restore a known-working version from your last backup. Finally, delete ~/timestamp ;-) (~/.local might also be a candidate to check if you don't find anything suspicious in ~/.kde4) BTW: the exact error would be interesting - please open a bugreport about it, and also attach the non-working config files. Regards, Christian Boltz --

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BTW an alle: ich weiss nicht, wie ich auf die Leser hier wirke, ich kann da nur aus den Mails ableiten, aber wenn ich mal daneben liege, dann will ich korrigiert werden bzw. einen Widerspruch bekommen. Dein Wunsch sei Dir erfüllt ;-) *g* Danke. [>> David Haller und > Christian Boltz in suse-linux]

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2014-09-18 12:35 GMT+03:00 jcsl :

El Jueves, 18 de septiembre de 2014 08:32:04 Kostas Koudaras escribió:

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Hi people of Factory I am prepairing an article about 13.2 beta release so I would like to know what is new and what changed since 13.1, please share. I am interested in everything, expecialy in changes that has ben made in the GUI's, server, extra/improved tools, new programs that people will get in the standard 13.2 beta installation and any extra stuff, anything that you guys worked in the last year and believe is important for people to know. Thanks in advance for your help Kostas

Hi.

If anyone cares, LXDE has been revamped: We do :D

- LXDE has no version number for the desktop itself, but all the programs have been updated and packages are up to date. Others programs included in the default installation have also been updated (galculator, Parcellite, Xarchiver -with new xz and RAR5 support-).

- A lot of bug fixing has been done recently thanks to one of the developers, Andriy Grytsenko.

- There are new features in some programs:

~ PCManFM: split panel, integrated system menu editor, breadcrumb navigation, ...

~ LXPanel: new weather plugin, support for custom gtk themes, drag buttons in the taskbar, ...

~ LXRandR: new monitors positioning settings.

~ LXCC (control center) has translations available.

~ Some more new features are to come like in place tabs renaming for LXTerminal. I'm sure there are more features, but I can't remember them all now.

- Adwaita replaces Clearlooks as the default GTK theme. This provides an uniform appearance for both GTK2 and GTK3 programs. If using the Qt GTK GUI style, Qt applications are nicely integrated too (not perfect, but it's fine).

- Openbox uses a theme that matches Adwaita.

- The panel background image has been replaced with a color so it is more integrated with the global appearance.

- xfce4-screenshooter is used to take screenshots instead of mtPaint.

- gcolor2 (color picker) has been introduced in the pattern.

The future replacement for LXDE, LXQt, has a repository available at https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/X11:lxde:lxqt.

Greetings.

Thanks

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On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 09:10:50 +0300 Kostas Koudaras wrote:

Now if some of you guys could send me a bunch of things about: - KDE(all I have right now is "The KDE comes in the new 4.14.1 version" -Gnome -Xfce -Any other cool feature you think worths mentioning It would be great

Just a warning from me, a mere user, to backup .kde4 before switching. In my experience it has been necessary to start without a .kde4 folder and rebuild the KDE settings from scratch. It may be possible to copy some configuration files and folders from the backup .kde4 but at least one, Dolphin, has a new format for the files in the share/config/session folder. I like to keep a lot of Dolphin windows and tabs open and the change in format results in loss of all tabs. I had to recreate by hand using the old file to use as a memory aid. My favourite "new" feature so far is that YaST Software Management window stays open after installations are completed. I've been using SUSE for long enough to remember when this feature was last available and I'd missed it. I don't know whether this rates as "cool", certainly not with me, but Network Settings in YaST has replaced "ifup" with "wicked". I have been told that "wicked" is nothing to do with WICD (pronounced "wicked"). "Network Settings" is now the only setup option under "Network Devices" in YaST so I assume the others are defunct? GRUB has been removed as a boot management option. Sadly for me, this removal coincides with a reintroduction of an old bug in GRUB2 for which GRUB would have been a very useful alternative. -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE 13.2-m0 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.0; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 3.16.1; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:

GRUB has been removed as a boot management option. Sadly for me, this removal coincides with a reintroduction of an old bug in GRUB2 for which GRUB would have been a very useful alternative.

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