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Michael Aquilina

2 Oct 2017 2 Oct '17

09:42

Hi there, I noticed there are multiple desktop choices when logging in with Tumbleweed (Gnome). I have: * Gnome * Gnome * Gnome on Xorg * IceWM I am aware what IceWM is, But what about the three other Gnome's? I cant seem to find any indication of what this is online -- Michael Aquilina -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Marco Calistri

2 Oct 2 Oct

13:04

Il 02/10/2017 06:42, Michael Aquilina ha scritto:

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Hi there,

I noticed there are multiple desktop choices when logging in with Tumbleweed (Gnome).

I have: * Gnome * Gnome * Gnome on Xorg * IceWM

I am aware what IceWM is, But what about the three other Gnome's?

I cant seem to find any indication of what this is online

I've seen the same on my TW, it looks now the "brains" have decided to remove important details as: * Gnome (default) * Gnome (classic) * Gnome on Xorg (old Gnome based on Xorg X11) Which helped the less skilled user to select the favorite DE at login. I've googled about last point and found the following: Gnome on Xorg is the good, old but aging X11 display server. Here s the differences: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xorg https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland ----- OT START ----- Again would like to ask if others TW users need to repeat the logoff/shutdown action on their Desktops since nobody has replied so far. ----- OT END----- -- TThheerree''ss aann EEcchhoo iinn hheerree.

Michael Aquilina

13:21

Oh wow, so I've been running wayland all this time without even knowing it? On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Marco Calistri wrote:

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Il 02/10/2017 06:42, Michael Aquilina ha scritto:

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Hi there,

I noticed there are multiple desktop choices when logging in with Tumbleweed (Gnome).

I have: * Gnome * Gnome * Gnome on Xorg * IceWM

I am aware what IceWM is, But what about the three other Gnome's?

I cant seem to find any indication of what this is online

I've seen the same on my TW, it looks now the "brains" have decided to remove important details as:

* Gnome (default) * Gnome (classic) * Gnome on Xorg (old Gnome based on Xorg X11)

Which helped the less skilled user to select the favorite DE at login.

I've googled about last point and found the following:

Gnome on Xorg is the good, old but aging X11 display server. Here s the differences: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xorg https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland

----- OT START ----- Again would like to ask if others TW users need to repeat the logoff/shutdown action on their Desktops since nobody has replied so far. ----- OT END-----

-- TThheerree''ss aann EEcchhoo iinn hheerree.

-- Michael Aquilina -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Marco Calistri

14:18

-------- Original Message -------- From: Michael Aquilina Sent: Monday, Oct 2, 2017 10:21 AM SAE To: Marco Calistri Cc: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse-factory] Multiple options for desktop on Login

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Oh wow, so I've been running wayland all this time without even knowing it?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Marco Calistri wrote:

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Il 02/10/2017 06:42, Michael Aquilina ha scritto:

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Hi there,

I noticed there are multiple desktop choices when logging in with Tumbleweed (Gnome).

I have: * Gnome * Gnome * Gnome on Xorg * IceWM

I am aware what IceWM is, But what about the three other Gnome's?

I cant seem to find any indication of what this is online

I've seen the same on my TW, it looks now the "brains" have decided to remove important details as:

* Gnome (default) * Gnome (classic) * Gnome on Xorg (old Gnome based on Xorg X11)

That's a possibility. May be you can verify by system log which session is being used by your system. Regards, -- TThheerree''ss aann EEcchhoo iinn hheerree.

Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar

14:38

On Mon, 2017-10-02 at 13:04 +0000, Marco Calistri wrote:

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Il 02/10/2017 06:42, Michael Aquilina ha scritto:

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Hi there,

I noticed there are multiple desktop choices when logging in with Tumbleweed (Gnome).

I have: * Gnome * Gnome * Gnome on Xorg * IceWM

I am aware what IceWM is, But what about the three other Gnome's?

I cant seem to find any indication of what this is online

I've seen the same on my TW, it looks now the "brains" have decided to remove important details as:

Luckily, there are some 'brains' that actually evaluate things before writing to the mailing list here and that don't just rant about unfounded and untrue stuff.

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* Gnome (default)

if that represents default.desktop, you got that right (but you did not mean that)

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* Gnome (classic)

wrong

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* Gnome on Xorg (old Gnome based on Xorg X11)

the only thing here that is actually true in your mail Cheers, Dominique PS: see the longer email sent to the OP with the actual details.

Marco Calistri

15:23

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On Mon, 2017-10-02 at 13:04 +0000, Marco Calistri wrote:

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Il 02/10/2017 06:42, Michael Aquilina ha scritto:

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Hi there,

I noticed there are multiple desktop choices when logging in with Tumbleweed (Gnome).

I have: * Gnome * Gnome * Gnome on Xorg * IceWM

I am aware what IceWM is, But what about the three other Gnome's?

I cant seem to find any indication of what this is online

I've seen the same on my TW, it looks now the "brains" have decided to remove important details as:

Luckily, there are some 'brains' that actually evaluate things before writing to the mailing list here and that don't just rant about unfounded and untrue stuff. It was not a form to offend anybody, I wrote "brains" just to identify

Il 02/10/2017 11:38, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar ha scritto: people that have the ability and the power to make Tumbleweed works.

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* Gnome (default)

if that represents default.desktop, you got that right (but you did not mean that)

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* Gnome (classic)

wrong

I wrote this because I've deliberately installed gnome-classic (sorry if I don't remember the real name) stuff in the past and this detail was appearing clearly on former login options.

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* Gnome on Xorg (old Gnome based on Xorg X11)

the only thing here that is actually true in your mail

Cheers, Dominique

PS: see the longer email sent to the OP with the actual details.

Thanks, I have appreciated to see a technical explanation about how the things are working in reality regarding Gnome. On the other hand, sometimes the new builds and especially the ones for a rolling distribution as it is Tumbleweed, are carrying (IMHO) too many big changes and this sometimes is disorienting the basic user beside this, from what I have seen so far, documentation and forum for OpenSUSE are undoubtedly less frequent and less rich of solutions than others as for example Ubuntu Fedora or Arch and this difficult the user which faces some issues. Regards, -- TThheerree''ss aann EEcchhoo iinn hheerree.

Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar

14:35

On Mon, 2017-10-02 at 10:42 +0100, Michael Aquilina wrote:

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Hi there,

I noticed there are multiple desktop choices when logging in with Tumbleweed (Gnome).

I have: * Gnome * Gnome * Gnome on Xorg * IceWM

It is 'almost' correct the way it is now, there is one 'GNOME' too much in the list which is a side-effect of the reworked 'system default desktop environment' - which used to be configured in /etc/ssyconfig/windowmanager and is now handled by update-alternatives. We are definitively not yet happy with how it behaves and looks (especially the duplicated 'gnome' entry) The sessions actually represent a collapsed view over /usr/share/xsessions and /usr/share/wayland-sessions (in case your GDM runs in wayland mode... otherwise it's only xsessions) in xsessions, we have: default.desktop -> gnome.desktop (symlink for by update-alternatives) gnome.desktop the default 'gnome' entry gnome-xorg.desktop: an explicit X11-based session. in case gdm runs in x11 mode, it is an alias to 'gnome.desktop' icewm.desktop and any others are unrlated in wayland-sessions we have gnome.desktop - the default GNOME session on wayland. Now, gdm does some 'magic' to collapse things: if gdm runs in wayland mode, the wayland-session/gnome.desktop masks xsessios/gnome.desktop (which is why a gnome-xorg.desktop is offered - in case one needs/wants to test if an issue is specific to waylan or x11 sessions) if gdm runs in x-mode, then the various entries are really all too confusing. Even worse, the 'default.desktop' link does not mask the gnome from wayland, so if gdm is in wayland mode, you have basically no chance of knowing which of the dessions is X and which is wayland. Currently, we are working out solutions that won't break all assumptions as replacement for the sysconfig mode, but will also cleanup the list shown. Cheers, Dominique

Simon Lees

21:10

On 03/10/17 01:05, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:

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On Mon, 2017-10-02 at 10:42 +0100, Michael Aquilina wrote:

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Hi there,

I noticed there are multiple desktop choices when logging in with Tumbleweed (Gnome).

I have: * Gnome * Gnome * Gnome on Xorg * IceWM

It is 'almost' correct the way it is now, there is one 'GNOME' too much in the list which is a side-effect of the reworked 'system default desktop environment' - which used to be configured in /etc/ssyconfig/windowmanager and is now handled by update-alternatives.

We are definitively not yet happy with how it behaves and looks (especially the duplicated 'gnome' entry)

The sessions actually represent a collapsed view over /usr/share/xsessions and /usr/share/wayland-sessions (in case your GDM runs in wayland mode... otherwise it's only xsessions)

in xsessions, we have: default.desktop -> gnome.desktop (symlink for by update-alternatives) gnome.desktop the default 'gnome' entry gnome-xorg.desktop: an explicit X11-based session. in case gdm runs in x11 mode, it is an alias to 'gnome.desktop' icewm.desktop and any others are unrlated

in wayland-sessions we have gnome.desktop - the default GNOME session on wayland.

Now, gdm does some 'magic' to collapse things: if gdm runs in wayland mode, the wayland-session/gnome.desktop masks xsessios/gnome.desktop (which is why a gnome-xorg.desktop is offered - in case one needs/wants to test if an issue is specific to waylan or x11 sessions)

if gdm runs in x-mode, then the various entries are really all too confusing. Even worse, the 'default.desktop' link does not mask the gnome from wayland, so if gdm is in wayland mode, you have basically no chance of knowing which of the dessions is X and which is wayland.

Currently, we are working out solutions that won't break all assumptions as replacement for the sysconfig mode, but will also cleanup the list shown.

Cheers, Dominique

Ahh, that makes sense, i've had a couple of reports from enlightenment users about two "enlightenment" options as well, in there case enlightenment would be the default. Cheers -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

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