On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 04:18:07AM +0100, houghi wrote: [...]

root@penne : cat SuSE-release SUSE LINUX 10.0.42 (i586) OSS Beta3 VERSION = 10.0.42 root@penne : grep KDE_USE_IPV6 sysconfig/windowmanager KDE_USE_IPV6="yes"

Disableing IPv6 is for some people a very good idea. It really increases the speed of the system, wether this is under KDE, Gnome or elsewhere. The cause is most likely the provider you are using.

I personally never saw any diference, however many people have seen a difference in speed. By disableing IPv6 for all of the machine and not just KDE, the problem is solved for people who use other things as well.

Thanks Hougi! If nobody complains within 48 hours, I will file a bug report then, because I know no reason, why this is still set to yes. Marcel

On Saturday, 11. February 2006 11:39, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:

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Thanks Hougi! If nobody complains within 48 hours, I will file a bug report then, because I know no reason, why this is still set to yes.

Because SUSE has IPv6 by default? Yes, I know Stephan. But do you know, how many users do have (WLAN-) routers at home, which do not support IPv6 at all? And with such devices Konqueror gets terribly slow when Browsing the internet. I often get complains from endusers, and almost everybody with a low cost router has

On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 11:48:17AM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote: problems with these settings. So I suggest to put it back to "no". IPv6 isn't really used anyway in Europe and America. I would even dare to say, that IPv6 is still a pilot project...

Greetings, Stephan

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On Saturday, 11. February 2006 12:08, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:

On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 11:48:17AM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On Saturday, 11. February 2006 11:39, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:

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Thanks Hougi! If nobody complains within 48 hours, I will file a bug report then, because I know no reason, why this is still set to yes.

Because SUSE has IPv6 by default?

Yes, I know Stephan. But do you know, how many users do have (WLAN-) routers at home, which do not support IPv6 at all? And with such devices Konqueror gets terribly slow when Browsing the internet. I often get complains from endusers, and almost everybody with a low cost router has problems with these settings.

If there is a problem with the router, then konqueror is the least of your problems. And KDE_USE_IPv6 is (as the name) suggests only a workaround that applies to KDE. And as it's a workaround, we won't enable it by default (as in ="no"). Either SUSE is default IPv6 or it's not - so if you want to file a bug report, then target a wider audience. Greetings, Stephan

Am Samstag, 11. Februar 2006 13:43 schrieb houghi:

On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 01:15:39PM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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If there is a problem with the router, then konqueror is the least of your problems. And KDE_USE_IPv6 is (as the name) suggests only a workaround that applies to KDE. And as it's a workaround, we won't enable it by default (as in ="no"). Either SUSE is default IPv6 or it's not - so if you want to file a bug report, then target a wider audience.

Then why is it YES in my standard Beta 3 configuration?

Also perhaps having IPv6 off by default would be a good idea, as it would solve speedproblems with many users. Would it be possible to write a testprogram which recognizes these problems and let that program decide to enable the workaround ? So that there would be three options "Yes" "Test" (default) "No" .

Am Samstag, 11. Februar 2006 14:51 schrieb Marcel Hilzinger:

On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 01:15:39PM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On Saturday, 11. February 2006 12:08, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:

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On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 11:48:17AM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On Saturday, 11. February 2006 11:39, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:

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Thanks Hougi! If nobody complains within 48 hours, I will file a bug report then, because I know no reason, why this is still set to yes.

Because SUSE has IPv6 by default?

Yes, I know Stephan. But do you know, how many users do have (WLAN-) routers at home, which do not support IPv6 at all? And with such devices Konqueror gets terribly slow when Browsing the internet. I often get complains from endusers, and almost everybody with a low cost router has problems with these settings.

If there is a problem with the router, then konqueror is the least of your problems. And KDE_USE_IPv6 is (as the name) suggests only a workaround that applies to KDE. And as it's a workaround, we won't enable it by default (as in ="no"). Either SUSE is default IPv6 or it's not - so if you want to file a bug report, then target a wider audience.

You mean sending a bug report for Konqueror (Firefox has no problems under 10.0, afaik) ? Or disabling IPv6 as default for the whole distro? ;-)

Regards, Marcel

Turning it off by default for the whole distro would be a good move until it is a generally accepted standard. As it is a large number of ISP's and home routers do not support IPv6, so SUSE just sits there looking like a slug waiting for timeout requests before falling back to v4. With every install I have done, the first thing that needed to be done after install was complete was to edit /etc/modprobe.conf and turn the flag off in KDE. If IPv6 doesn't work with your ISP, then it will affect Firefox as well. The problem seems to be DNS servers/routers timing out on IPv6 requests, then the older DNS requests going through. Actual traffic throughput is unaffected in most cases, the problem is having to wait 30-60 seconds for each DNS request to process. Once you know where the problem lies, it is automatic to switch off IPv6. For newbies it isn't. One of the most regularly recurring problems (apart from installing multimedia capabilities) is why is Konqueror/Firefox so slow in SUSE, in Windows or Ubuntu it takes 1 second to draw a web page, in SUSE it takes 30 seconds to 1 minute to draw the same page. For old hands and people with compliant ISP's and routing equipment it isn't a problem, it either works at full speed or we know where to switch it off, for new hands it is often a shock and as internet access is probably one of the first things they do, it doesn't leave a very good first impression of SUSE Linux. Dave

On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:08:40PM +0100, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:

So I suggest to put it back to "no". IPv6 isn't really used anyway in Europe and America. I would even dare to say, that IPv6 is still a pilot project...

Note that most people live outside Europe and America. Robert -- Robert Schiele Tel.: +49-621-181-2214 Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:rschiele@uni-mannheim.de "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."

On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 06:31:47PM +0100, houghi wrote:

On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 05:52:32PM +0100, Robert Schiele wrote:

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On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:08:40PM +0100, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:

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So I suggest to put it back to "no". IPv6 isn't really used anyway in Europe and America. I would even dare to say, that IPv6 is still a pilot project...

Note that most people live outside Europe and America.

I can imagine that teh majority of SUSE users is from Europe and the US. and even if it would be a minority, giving them a hard time would be unfair.

But disabling internet access for people that live in countries where you get an IPv6 address only completely by default would be fair? Robert -- Robert Schiele Tel.: +49-621-181-2214 Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:rschiele@uni-mannheim.de "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."

Am Samstag, 11. Februar 2006 19:02 schrieb Robert Schiele:

On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 06:31:47PM +0100, houghi wrote:

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On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 05:52:32PM +0100, Robert Schiele wrote:

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On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:08:40PM +0100, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:

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So I suggest to put it back to "no". IPv6 isn't really used anyway in Europe and America. I would even dare to say, that IPv6 is still a pilot project...

Note that most people live outside Europe and America.

I can imagine that teh majority of SUSE users is from Europe and the US. and even if it would be a minority, giving them a hard time would be unfair.

But disabling internet access for people that live in countries where you get an IPv6 address only completely by default would be fair?

Robert

Is there no way to have it in the network configuration dialog during install/YAST Netwrok cards? Simply checking or unchecking the button writes the relevant lines in modprobe.conf? Dave

Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2006 08:19 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:

David Wright writes:

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Is there no way to have it in the network configuration dialog during install/YAST Netwrok cards? Simply checking or unchecking the button writes the relevant lines in modprobe.conf?

That's what I'm thinking as well right now. Could you open a bugreport for this and CC me on it? Please add all the details.

I'll see whether anything is possible to do for 10.1 - and if not, will get it into 10.2,

Andreas

OK, I'll try and put one in later, I'm just get 504 Gateway Time-out errors on the Novell login site at the moment... I'll keep trying. Dave

Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2006 10:42 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:

David Wright writes:

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OK, I'll try and put one in later, I'm just get 504 Gateway Time-out errors on the Novell login site at the moment... I'll keep trying.

This works now for me,

Andreas

OK, still very slow here, but at least it isn't timing out any more. Bug Report should be on its way soon. Dave