-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Marcus Meissner schreef:

On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:11:17AM +0200, M9. wrote:

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Hi,

Do i have to file a bug report for this?

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monkey9@tribal-sfn2:~> su Wachtwoord: tribal-sfn2:/home/monkey9 # zypper update -t packages Onbekend type oplosbare: packages

zypper update -t package

Without 's'.

thnx, did not notice that, me stupid.. ;-0

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El Martes, 25 de Septiembre de 2007 06:08:09 Cristian Rodriguez escribió:

M9. escribió:

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thnx, did not notice that, me stupid.. ;-0

No, you are not, is just that zypper up -t package is not quite intuitive :(

I think zypper upgrade (or something like zypper upgrade-all) should do what you want (and there is bugzilla entry for that IIRC)

I agree too. Of course now zypper is a lot better than previous versions, but still it needs some improvements so it becomes the tool that really we are looking for. Regards. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

* Miquel A. Noguera [Sep 25. 2007 08:09]:

Of course now zypper is a lot better than previous versions, but still it needs some improvements so it becomes the tool that really we are looking for.

So what are you really looking for ? What kind of improvements do you want to see in zypper ? Klaus --- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

* Miquel A. Noguera [Sep 25. 2007 11:37]:

Don't worry: my wishlist is ready and I'm planning to post it here or where it is necessary to discuss it and to go for it ;-)

Good. I'm looking forward to this.

Nevertheless, now it's too late for final 10.3, so I think is better to wait it is released and tested, and then we ask for enhancements.

When you think that it is the right moment to discuss it, just let me know.

The right time is always when the need for discussion comes up. The earlier things surface, the better chance we make the right decisions. Decisions either for the current or for the future development. Klaus --- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

* Igor Jagec [Sep 25. 2007 09:40]:

Are there any plans to include features like limit rate while downloading (on Yum it is called Throttle) and repo priorities?

Repo priorities are in the queue, yes. Throttle is not on the list yet. Can you provide a use-case for it ? Klaus --- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

* Igor Jagec [Sep 25. 2007 13:49]:

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Throttle is not on the list yet. Can you provide a use-case for it ?

You meant on something like that:

# zypper update --limit-rate=80k # zypper update --throttle=80k

No, I meant a description why and when such an option would be useful.

BTW it would be very nice if you make man pages for zypp.conf file. I gues we can "tweak" it :)

/etc/zypp/zypp.conf has extensive documentation. A man page should be created nevertheless, I agree.

I have another question about Zypper, do you have any plan to include Rollback support? Or at least support for some rpm transacrion set, such as noscripts, notriggers, nodocs, test, repackage... Rollback is a nice feature and I use it on my Fedora 7 machines.

Yes, this is planned. However, the term 'rollback' has quite different meanings depending on whom you talk to. As we support a wide range of architectures with our SUSE Linux software, rollback for e.g. zSeries (IBM s/390) users means 'bit identical' reversion to a previous state. Thats rather hard to achieve with rpm. Klaus --- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

* Igor Jagec [Sep 25. 2007 15:26]:

The problem is that I share Internet connection with my neighbors via wireless network and if I do some big downloads without bandwidth limitation, they (neighbors) are sometimes unable to use Internet at all. Broadband Internet connection (ADSL in our case) is very expensive here in Croatia, so we usually share Internet connection. I know, maybe we should have QoS or something, but we do not have implemented such advanced solutions. It's a bit overkill for our small network.

Ok, understood and added to the list of planned features. Klaus --- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Igor Jagec escribió:

On Uto, 2007-09-25 at 00:08 -0400, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:

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M9. escribió:

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thnx, did not notice that, me stupid.. ;-0 No, you are not, is just that zypper up -t package is not quite intuitive :(

...that's the reason why I use SmartPM. At least for now.

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Dňa Tuesday 25 September 2007 20:49:43 Miquel A. Noguera ste napísal:

El Martes, 25 de Septiembre de 2007 20:23:48 Cristian Rodriguez escribió:

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...that's the reason why I use SmartPM. At least for now.

Smart is nota solution.

Unfortunately we haven't had "any solution" in 10.1 or 10.2, "only" non supported workarounds such as smart or apt :-(

In 10,3 zypper is so good that we will only need apt/smart in few occasions, and probably in 11.0 we will be able to forget them definitively :-)

In which occasions? Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Dňa Wednesday 26 September 2007 12:06:49 Miquel A. Noguera ste napísal:

El Miércoles, 26 de Septiembre de 2007 10:36:27 Stanislav Visnovsky escribió:

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In 10,3 zypper is so good that we will only need apt/smart in few occasions, and probably in 11.0 we will be able to forget them definitively

:-)

In which occasions?

occasion 1) ===========

We need to download -only download- a list of packages and keep it for any posterior use, for example:

- download updates every night to update our local update server - make a dvd update for pc's with no internet acces (great!)

To do so, first, I get a list with all necessary rpm's in every box I maintain:

rpm -qa --queryformat "%{name} \n" | grep -v gpg-pubkey | sort > pc_01.list

with those lists, every night my server's cron downloads all updates that afect me:

apt-get update apt-get reinstall -dy $(cat pc_01.list pc_02.list ... pc_NN.list)

and it updates my local repo too:

rm /srv/ftp/repo/RPMS.last/* cp /var/cache/apt/*.rpm /srv/ftp/repo/RPMS.last genbasedir /srv/ftp/repo/

When I need, I can:

- Test new updates in a vmware machine "without wait for download" (*) - Apply it fastly (*) to my 5 local pc's, if everthing is ok. - I can burn a dvd to update my home's pc, where I have no internet conetion. - Perform fastly a new updated fresh install - Retain versions of packages to prevent broken updrades.

(*) 11Mb/s instead 106Kb/s means about 100 times faster.

So, you basically create your own mirror using download-only functionality. Correct? If so, do you need just the download-only, or also some other functionality? Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

El Miércoles, 26 de Septiembre de 2007 10:36:27 Stanislav Visnovsky escribió:

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In 10,3 zypper is so good that we will only need apt/smart in few occasions, and probably in 11.0 we will be able to forget them definitively

:-)

In which occasions?

Occasion 2 ========== apt allows to block automatic updates for desired packages. If it is known kenrel-x.y.z or package-a.b.c broks our system, we don't want it to be updated until there is a new trusted version available. With apt, all I have to do is edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and add problematic packages to de "Hold" line. Do zypper provide a similar function? Regards. Miquel. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Dňa Wednesday 26 September 2007 12:37:06 Miquel A. Noguera ste napísal:

El Miércoles, 26 de Septiembre de 2007 10:36:27 Stanislav Visnovsky escribió:

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In 10,3 zypper is so good that we will only need apt/smart in few occasions, and probably in 11.0 we will be able to forget them definitively

:-)

In which occasions?

Occasion 2 ==========

apt allows to block automatic updates for desired packages.

If it is known kenrel-x.y.z or package-a.b.c broks our system, we don't want it to be updated until there is a new trusted version available.

With apt, all I have to do is edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and add problematic packages to de "Hold" line.

Do zypper provide a similar function?

Would /etc/zypp/locks help? See 'man zypper'. Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Miquel A. Noguera wrote:

El Miércoles, 26 de Septiembre de 2007 12:58:44 Stanislav Visnovsky escribió:

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With apt, all I have to do is edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and add problematic packages to de "Hold" line.

Do zypper provide a similar function? Would /etc/zypp/locks help? See 'man zypper'.

Oh, probably yes. I looked it before, but for shure I did not pay sufficient attention to LOOKS section.

So, I must put one indidual line for each package to retain (wilcards accepted. For example kernel-bigsmp-2.6.22.5-29 or just kernel-bigsmp*) Right? # Nope, it goes like this: kernel-bigsmp # or kernel-bigsmp* # if you want to avoid installing/updating/removing all versions of # kernel-bigsmp or packages matching kernel-bigsmp*

# or the folloving if you want avoid installing/updating/removing # a specific version of it kernel-bigsmp > x.x.x.x

Is it handled in any way from yast2?

I don't think so. Jano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Dňa Saturday 24 November 2007 16:21:48 ste napísal:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:

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Would /etc/zypp/locks help? See 'man zypper'.

Hmm, what happened to that? On FACTORY:

gp@rana:~> man zypper | grep lock Reformatting zypper(8), please wait...

gp@rana:~> rpm -q zypper zypper-0.6.15-0.4

visnov@mammoth:~> zypper -V zypper 0.8.25 Try 'zypper in zypper' first.

The only file the FILES section of the man page refers to is /var/lib/zypp/cache.

The SEE ALSO section only refers to rug(1) and YaST2(8), none of which covers /etc/zypp/locks.

Also, should the zypper man page still refer to rug(1)?

It provides rug backward compatibility, so it kind of makes sense. Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Miquel A. Noguera wrote:

El Miércoles, 26 de Septiembre de 2007 10:36:27 Stanislav Visnovsky escribió:

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In which occasions?

occasion 3: ===========

zypper downloads a package, applies it and then goes for next package.

It means our box can be in a inconsistent state until update is finised (even hours).

True, we want to work on this as well.

With apt (or smart) all packages are first downloaded and they will be installed only when all required packages are downloaded, wich will shorten dramatically this time.

Additionally, if conection is down during update proces, never knows what will happen with zypper (may be our box will be in a inconsistent state until conection is available again).

True.

With apt/smart this problem doesn't exist. Instead interrubted download will be resumed for saving our time.

A nice feature to consider as well. Thanx.

I am wrong?

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Marcus Meissner wrote:

On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:11:17AM +0200, M9. wrote:

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Hi,

Do i have to file a bug report for this?

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monkey9@tribal-sfn2:~> su Wachtwoord: tribal-sfn2:/home/monkey9 # zypper update -t packages Onbekend type oplosbare: packages

zypper update -t package

Without 's'.

Ciao, Marcus After trying your above suggestion. some of the output was omitted. zypper update -t package

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