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On 4/14/19 4:00 PM, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
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The installation media on my machine (USB stick) took *seven minutes* just for grub to load the kernel. Then two more minutes till first click. Activation of crypto mounts was impossible. I have three with two passwords, and it was impossible to know which one was each. In the past, it would try each password entered on all crypto partitions and open those that would open. Now apparently we have to type the correct password for each one. IMO, some of the screens are not nice, they do not look professional, they look antique. The system role display, for instance. In the past these things were nicer. The expert partitioner has changed, and IMO it is not better. Huge display. I could select "mount by Label" as default, but not say that I prefer ext4. This was possible in the past. Import mount points worked, once I found where it was and how it worked. And unclick "format system volumes". This is very dangerous! Time zone: still does not geolocate and instead suggests USA as default area. It could import the setting from the previous install. Import previous users did not default to import from the same partition as selected on partition import. And it appears not to import user groups. Default was network manager; this is a desktop machine. The installation setting display lacks a view of the affected partitions, for one last check before proceeding with installation. I did not notice where to select extra language :-? On the XFCE desktop I'm using, no big surprises. Seems the default is a dark theme which I'm not sure I prefer and I hope to change. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE, Leap 15.1 x86_64 (ssd-test)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/15/19 1:59 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The installation media on my machine (USB stick) took *seven minutes* just for grub to load the kernel. Then two more minutes till first click.
I'm pretty sure that's a BIOS issue. I had an older computer that took several minutes to load the kernel and initrd. And that was when kernels were smaller. Grub is using BIOS services for this, and if the BIOS is slow then loading the kernel will be slow.
Activation of crypto mounts was impossible.
I wouldn't say "impossible" but it is a weak spot. For my recent installs, I have been writing down the UUID of the encrypted partitions before starting, so that I could recognize them. The use of UUID for identifying the partition is just a bad idea. UUIDs are for machines; they are not for people.
IMO, some of the screens are not nice, they do not look professional, they look antique. The system role display, for instance. In the past these things were nicer.
This did not bother me. Yes, it is less compact than for the 42.3 or earlier installs, because there are more choices. But they were easy enough to read and select.
The expert partitioner has changed, and IMO it is not better. Huge display.
It took me a while to get used to this. But by now it seems to work pretty well.
I could select "mount by Label" as default, but not say that I prefer ext4. This was possible in the past.
I think you can do that if you click the "Guided" instead of "Expert Partitioner".
Time zone: still does not geolocate and instead suggests USA as default area. It could import the setting from the previous install.
I don't think this is changed from earlier installers. I'm always annoyed by the timezone setting.
Import previous users did not default to import from the same partition as selected on partition import. And it appears not to import user groups.
I think it imports from the most recently booted linux system. I'm not sure if it is using file system time stamps, or something else. And yes, it does not import groups.
Default was network manager; this is a desktop machine.
There's a place you can click to switch to "wicked", though I have not tried that. If you select "Generic desktop" (or whatever it is called) you get "wicked" and "Icewm".
The installation setting display lacks a view of the affected partitions, for one last check before proceeding with installation.
It's there, a choice near the bottom of the left column.
I did not notice where to select extra language :-?
I can't help with that, because I always go with US English. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Neil Rickert composed on 2019-04-16 09:25 (UTC-0400):
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The installation media on my machine (USB stick) took *seven minutes* just for grub to load the kernel. Then two more minutes till first click.
I'm pretty sure that's a BIOS issue.
I had an older computer that took several minutes to load the kernel and initrd. And that was when kernels were smaller. Grub is using BIOS services for this, and if the BIOS is slow then loading the kernel will be slow.
I've been seeing more and more of this as the size of kernels and initrds continues to grow. It doesn't happen with 32bit or EXT3 or UEFI. https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/grub-legacy-delay-o... -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/16/19 3:25 PM, Neil Rickert wrote:
On 4/15/19 1:59 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
[...]>
Activation of crypto mounts was impossible> > I wouldn't say "impossible" but it is a weak spot.> > For my recent installs, I have been writing down the UUID of the> encrypted partitions before starting, so that I could recognize them.> The use of UUID for identifying the partition is just a bad idea. UUIDs> are for machines;
As I read it, Carlos' original mail points several things in the installation process that has changed for the worse. So I triggered an installation of 42.3 and 15.1 to compare some of those points, to see what can be fixed or worked-around. they are not for people. That can be fixed for 15.2, please report the bug in bugzilla so it can be tracked and prioritized.
IMO, some of the screens are not nice, they do not look professional, they look antique. The system role display, for instance. In the past these things were nicer.
This did not bother me. Yes, it is less compact than for the 42.3 or earlier installs, because there are more choices. But they were easy enough to read and select.
This is how it looked in 42.3 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//44062587 And this is how it looks in one of the early 15.1 beta http://paste.opensuse.org/view//24875858 We can discuss which one looks "nicer" (I guess it's a matter of taste). But I believe there is no question about which one is more informative.
The expert partitioner has changed, and IMO it is not better. Huge display.
What does "huge display" mean? Again, this is how it looked in 42.3 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//99085952 And this is how it looks in 15.1 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//10725727 What is so different or so huge in the general display? It looks very similar to me. And about "being not better", I can tell you the partitioner in 15.1 contain less bugs than the version in 43.2 (that one was full of pitfalls). In addition, it can now directly format full disks, create software MD RAIDs on top of disks without partitions, create partitions within a software-defined MD RAID and many others combinations that were impossible in the past. It also makes possible to setup bcache devices. So from both reliability and functionality point of views, I would dare to say it IS better. ;-)
It took me a while to get used to this. But by now it seems to work pretty well.
Since the new one have many more options per each device, the buttons had to be rearranged a bit (remember the interface has to fit in small text-mode displays). Some operations take one more click now... that was the price of having more options to choose from. But in general we have tried to preserve the overall experience. And we are VERY open to constructive feedback about how to make it better.
I could select "mount by Label" as default, but not say that I prefer ext4. This was possible in the past.
I think you can do that if you click the "Guided" instead of "Expert Partitioner".
I don't think Carlos is talking about selecting Ext4 per EACH filesystem. Of course that can be done one by one in both the Partitioner and the Guided Setup. He is talking about going to "Settings" as a first step in the Partitioner. Then, all partitions created at a later point already has "ext4" preselected. Again, if you miss that, open a bug report. We can bring it back at some point (likely for SP2).
Import mount points worked, once I found where it was and how it worked. And unclick "format system volumes". This is very dangerous!
It's EXACTLY in the same place it was in 42.3. That can be checked in the previous comparison screenshots. And it works EXACTLY in the same way it used to work in 42.3. With "format system volumes" being preselected by default... exactly as it was in 42.3. Again, let's compare screenshots of 42.3... http://paste.opensuse.org/view//60097489 and 15.1 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//90586477 One of the points that people disliked in 15.0 was that we had simplified that option too much. Now it works exactly as it always did. How it comes that classic behavior we have cloned 1:1 on popular demand is suddenly hard to find, hard to understand and dangerous?
Time zone: still does not geolocate and instead suggests USA as default area. It could import the setting from the previous install.
I don't think this is changed from earlier installers. I'm always annoyed by the timezone setting.
Indeed. Nothing changed there.
Import previous users did not default to import from the same partition as selected on partition import. And it appears not to import user groups.
I think it imports from the most recently booted linux system. I'm not sure if it is using file system time stamps, or something else. And yes, it does not import groups.
Another thing that has not changed. It has always imported from the most recently accessed Linux.
Default was network manager; this is a desktop machine.
There's a place you can click to switch to "wicked", though I have not tried that. If you select "Generic desktop" (or whatever it is called) you get "wicked" and "Icewm".
Yes, that default was changed after some discussions in the mailing lists. To make the change less painful an option to go back to wicked with a single click was added in the installation summary screen.
The installation setting display lacks a view of the affected partitions, for one last check before proceeding with installation.
It's there, a choice near the bottom of the left column.
If it's there I didn't find it. But again, this is NOT a change compared to Leap 42.3. That version didn't include the partitioning information in the installation summary either, as far as I can tell.
I did not notice where to select extra language :-?
And where was that option in the past? It looks like another thing that has not changed since 42.3. To be honest, I was a little bit worried reading the original mail to see some many things that has become worse than in the good old times. Now I feel much better after checking that most of those changes... had actually not changed anything if you really compare 42.3 and 15.1 installation side by side. Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/16/19 5:46 PM, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
On 4/16/19 3:25 PM, Neil Rickert wrote:
On 4/15/19 1:59 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
[...]>
As I read it, Carlos' original mail points several things in the installation process that has changed for the worse. So I triggered an installation of 42.3 and 15.1 to compare some of those points, to see what can be fixed or worked-around.
Thanks. The thing that worries me most is that the loading of the kernel took seven minutes - I timed it. I don't remember in which version this started to deteriorate, perhaps the kernel was simply smaller back then. Yes, it is the BIOS that is used by Grub, I know.
Activation of crypto mounts was impossible> > I wouldn't say "impossible" but it is a weak spot.> > For my recent installs, I have been writing down the UUID of the> encrypted partitions before starting, so that I could recognize them.> The use of UUID for identifying the partition is just a bad idea. UUIDs> are for machines; they are not for people. That can be fixed for 15.2, please report the bug in bugzilla so it can be tracked and prioritized.
Crypto partitions have no labels, unfortunately. They may have partition-label in GPT disks, though, but I'm unsure if LUKS support them. The thing to improve is to try the given password on all LUKS filesystems found. Ok, I'll write a bugzilla.
IMO, some of the screens are not nice, they do not look professional, they look antique. The system role display, for instance. In the past these things were nicer.
This did not bother me. Yes, it is less compact than for the 42.3 or earlier installs, because there are more choices. But they were easy enough to read and select.
This is how it looked in 42.3 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//44062587
And this is how it looks in one of the early 15.1 beta http://paste.opensuse.org/view//24875858
We can discuss which one looks "nicer" (I guess it's a matter of taste). But I believe there is no question about which one is more informative.
I should have taken a photo. This looks nice, but what I got was not so nice; perhaps the proportions in my display were wrong.
The expert partitioner has changed, and IMO it is not better. Huge display.
What does "huge display" mean?
Again, this is how it looked in 42.3 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//99085952
And this is how it looks in 15.1 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//10725727
What is so different or so huge in the general display? It looks very similar to me.
Except when one has perhaps fifty partitions and several disks, and the default expands them all...
And about "being not better", I can tell you the partitioner in 15.1 contain less bugs than the version in 43.2 (that one was full of pitfalls). In addition, it can now directly format full disks, create software MD RAIDs on top of disks without partitions, create partitions within a software-defined MD RAID and many others combinations that were impossible in the past. It also makes possible to setup bcache devices. So from both reliability and functionality point of views, I would dare to say it IS better. ;-)
I have not tested all that, but I'm sure it is true :-) It is the visual aspect, and that "settings" has fewer things that perhaps 13.1 had. I miss choosing the default type of partition. One question. Is it possible to set all system encrypted, without using LVM? This is possible to do manually, but there was talk of including it in YaST.
It took me a while to get used to this. But by now it seems to work pretty well.
Since the new one have many more options per each device, the buttons had to be rearranged a bit (remember the interface has to fit in small text-mode displays). Some operations take one more click now... that was the price of having more options to choose from. But in general we have tried to preserve the overall experience.
And we are VERY open to constructive feedback about how to make it better.
I could select "mount by Label" as default, but not say that I prefer ext4. This was possible in the past.
I think you can do that if you click the "Guided" instead of "Expert Partitioner".
I don't think Carlos is talking about selecting Ext4 per EACH filesystem. Of course that can be done one by one in both the Partitioner and the Guided Setup.
He is talking about going to "Settings" as a first step in the Partitioner. Then, all partitions created at a later point already has "ext4" preselected.
Right.
Again, if you miss that, open a bug report. We can bring it back at some point (likely for SP2).
Ok, I will.
Import mount points worked, once I found where it was and how it worked. And unclick "format system volumes". This is very dangerous!
It's EXACTLY in the same place it was in 42.3. That can be checked in the previous comparison screenshots.
And it works EXACTLY in the same way it used to work in 42.3. With "format system volumes" being preselected by default... exactly as it was in 42.3.
Maybe, but the way I remember was from 13.1 ;-) In this design, I find it difficult to find it, because when going to "disks" it disappears.
Again, let's compare screenshots of 42.3... http://paste.opensuse.org/view//60097489
and 15.1 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//90586477
One of the points that people disliked in 15.0 was that we had simplified that option too much. Now it works exactly as it always did. How it comes that classic behavior we have cloned 1:1 on popular demand is suddenly hard to find, hard to understand and dangerous?
I only said that I found it hard to find. I didn't say any of the others, it worked well. I found the meaning of the "next" and "previous" button not trivial.
Import previous users did not default to import from the same partition as selected on partition import. And it appears not to import user groups.
I think it imports from the most recently booted linux system. I'm not sure if it is using file system time stamps, or something else. And yes, it does not import groups.
Another thing that has not changed. It has always imported from the most recently accessed Linux.
Wouldn't it make sense to import from the same partition that it imported fstab from?
Default was network manager; this is a desktop machine.
There's a place you can click to switch to "wicked", though I have not tried that. If you select "Generic desktop" (or whatever it is called) you get "wicked" and "Icewm".
Yes, that default was changed after some discussions in the mailing lists. To make the change less painful an option to go back to wicked with a single click was added in the installation summary screen.
Ok.
The installation setting display lacks a view of the affected partitions, for one last check before proceeding with installation.
It's there, a choice near the bottom of the left column.
If it's there I didn't find it. But again, this is NOT a change compared to Leap 42.3. That version didn't include the partitioning information in the installation summary either, as far as I can tell.
True.
I did not notice where to select extra language :-?
And where was that option in the past? It looks like another thing that has not changed since 42.3.
I don't remember, somewhere after choosing the timezone or in the summary. I will try to find out, later.
To be honest, I was a little bit worried reading the original mail to see some many things that has become worse than in the good old times. Now I feel much better after checking that most of those changes... had actually not changed anything if you really compare 42.3 and 15.1 installation side by side.
Most of the things I mentioned are not that important, only details. Thanks for looking and commenting. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE, Leap 15.1 x86_64 (ssd-test)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/16/19 6:25 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 4/16/19 5:46 PM, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
On 4/16/19 3:25 PM, Neil Rickert wrote:
On 4/15/19 1:59 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
[...]>
The expert partitioner has changed, and IMO it is not better. Huge display.
What does "huge display" mean?
Again, this is how it looked in 42.3 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//99085952
And this is how it looks in 15.1 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//10725727
What is so different or so huge in the general display? It looks very similar to me.
Except when one has perhaps fifty partitions and several disks, and the default expands them all...
Good point. That's something that changed indeed. The good news is that we are fixing it right now. A new version with a more reasonable approach about expanding/collapsing branches of the tree by default will land in Tumbleweed in a matter of weeks. Too late for 15.1, unfortunately.
And about "being not better", I can tell you the partitioner in 15.1 contain less bugs than the version in 43.2 (that one was full of pitfalls). In addition, it can now directly format full disks, create software MD RAIDs on top of disks without partitions, create partitions within a software-defined MD RAID and many others combinations that were impossible in the past. It also makes possible to setup bcache devices. So from both reliability and functionality point of views, I would dare to say it IS better. ;-)
I have not tested all that, but I'm sure it is true :-)
It is the visual aspect, and that "settings" has fewer things that perhaps 13.1 had. I miss choosing the default type of partition.
One question. Is it possible to set all system encrypted, without using LVM? This is possible to do manually, but there was talk of including it in YaST.
Using the Partitioner you can encrypt disks, partitions, LVs... whatever you want. Using the Guided Setup you can use encryption with or without LVM. So all combinations should be possible. The current drawback is that if you encrypt the partitions/disks that are needed for booting you will need to enter the password twice per device during the boot process. That needs to be fixed by improving the communication between Grub2 and dracut. Something out of the scope of YaST. I don't know when such communication will be implemented.
Import mount points worked, once I found where it was and how it worked. And unclick "format system volumes". This is very dangerous!
It's EXACTLY in the same place it was in 42.3. That can be checked in the previous comparison screenshots.
And it works EXACTLY in the same way it used to work in 42.3. With "format system volumes" being preselected by default... exactly as it was in 42.3.
Maybe, but the way I remember was from 13.1 ;-)
In this design, I find it difficult to find it, because when going to "disks" it disappears.
Again, let's compare screenshots of 42.3... http://paste.opensuse.org/view//60097489
and 15.1 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//90586477
One of the points that people disliked in 15.0 was that we had simplified that option too much. Now it works exactly as it always did. How it comes that classic behavior we have cloned 1:1 on popular demand is suddenly hard to find, hard to understand and dangerous?
I only said that I found it hard to find. I didn't say any of the others, it worked well. I found the meaning of the "next" and "previous" button not trivial.
I agree the feature is a usability nightmare. But a lot of people complained with every bit we changed on it. So back to the roots. Now it works exactly as always so nobody can complain about regressions. :-)
Import previous users did not default to import from the same partition as selected on partition import. And it appears not to import user groups.
I think it imports from the most recently booted linux system. I'm not sure if it is using file system time stamps, or something else. And yes, it does not import groups.
Another thing that has not changed. It has always imported from the most recently accessed Linux.
Wouldn't it make sense to import from the same partition that it imported fstab from?
Hmmm, not so sure. What is wrong, in my opinion, is the fact that the user cannot select from where to import. Enforcing any solution (the most recent, the one imported in the partitioner or any other) is not optimal. Cheers -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Dienstag, 16. April 2019, 19:51:47 CEST schrieb Ancor Gonzalez Sosa:
Using the Partitioner you can encrypt disks, partitions, LVs... whatever you want. ... The current drawback is that if you encrypt the partitions/disks that are needed for booting you will need to enter the password twice per device during the boot process. That needs to be fixed by improving the communication between Grub2 and dracut. Something out of the scope of YaST. I don't know when such communication will be implemented.
You can already have that with some manual work: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Encrypted_root_file_system A solution that doesn't need a key in the initrd would of course be even better ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- Coffee in the morning is a good thing.. Or what the hell, coffee around the clock is a good thing.. :) [Anders Norrbring] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/16/19 10:04 PM, Christian Boltz wrote:
Hello,
Am Dienstag, 16. April 2019, 19:51:47 CEST schrieb Ancor Gonzalez Sosa:
Using the Partitioner you can encrypt disks, partitions, LVs... whatever you want. ... The current drawback is that if you encrypt the partitions/disks that are needed for booting you will need to enter the password twice per device during the boot process. That needs to be fixed by improving the communication between Grub2 and dracut. Something out of the scope of YaST. I don't know when such communication will be implemented.
You can already have that with some manual work: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Encrypted_root_file_system
A solution that doesn't need a key in the initrd would of course be even better ;-)
I must try that in a virtual machine, time permitting :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE, Leap 15.1 x86_64 (ssd-test)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/16/19 7:51 PM, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
On 4/16/19 6:25 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 4/16/19 5:46 PM, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
On 4/16/19 3:25 PM, Neil Rickert wrote:
On 4/15/19 1:59 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
[...]>
The expert partitioner has changed, and IMO it is not better. Huge display.
What does "huge display" mean?
Again, this is how it looked in 42.3 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//99085952
And this is how it looks in 15.1 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//10725727
What is so different or so huge in the general display? It looks very similar to me.
Except when one has perhaps fifty partitions and several disks, and the default expands them all...
Good point. That's something that changed indeed. The good news is that we are fixing it right now. A new version with a more reasonable approach about expanding/collapsing branches of the tree by default will land in Tumbleweed in a matter of weeks. Too late for 15.1, unfortunately.
Good! :-)
And about "being not better", I can tell you the partitioner in 15.1 contain less bugs than the version in 43.2 (that one was full of pitfalls). In addition, it can now directly format full disks, create software MD RAIDs on top of disks without partitions, create partitions within a software-defined MD RAID and many others combinations that were impossible in the past. It also makes possible to setup bcache devices. So from both reliability and functionality point of views, I would dare to say it IS better. ;-)
I have not tested all that, but I'm sure it is true :-)
It is the visual aspect, and that "settings" has fewer things that perhaps 13.1 had. I miss choosing the default type of partition.
One question. Is it possible to set all system encrypted, without using LVM? This is possible to do manually, but there was talk of including it in YaST.
Using the Partitioner you can encrypt disks, partitions, LVs... whatever you want.
Using the Guided Setup you can use encryption with or without LVM.
So all combinations should be possible.
The current drawback is that if you encrypt the partitions/disks that are needed for booting you will need to enter the password twice per device during the boot process. That needs to be fixed by improving the communication between Grub2 and dracut. Something out of the scope of YaST. I don't know when such communication will be implemented.
I will have to try that setup in a virtual machine. Full encrypted system previously required encrypting the whole LVM and then making partitions inside. There is perhaps a way to avoid entering twice the password: Add a secondary key for each other partitions, such as home, in a file with random content stored in root. Once root is opened, the other partitions read the key from there and open automatically. I use that in a system with encrypted home and two data disks, and I'm only prompted once (root is not encrypted).
Import mount points worked, once I found where it was and how it worked. And unclick "format system volumes". This is very dangerous!
It's EXACTLY in the same place it was in 42.3. That can be checked in the previous comparison screenshots.
And it works EXACTLY in the same way it used to work in 42.3. With "format system volumes" being preselected by default... exactly as it was in 42.3.
Maybe, but the way I remember was from 13.1 ;-)
In this design, I find it difficult to find it, because when going to "disks" it disappears.
Again, let's compare screenshots of 42.3... http://paste.opensuse.org/view//60097489
and 15.1 http://paste.opensuse.org/view//90586477
One of the points that people disliked in 15.0 was that we had simplified that option too much. Now it works exactly as it always did. How it comes that classic behavior we have cloned 1:1 on popular demand is suddenly hard to find, hard to understand and dangerous?
I only said that I found it hard to find. I didn't say any of the others, it worked well. I found the meaning of the "next" and "previous" button not trivial.
I agree the feature is a usability nightmare. But a lot of people complained with every bit we changed on it. So back to the roots. Now it works exactly as always so nobody can complain about regressions. :-)
Ok! I forgot to look at the help text, though. Perhaps that explains it. Anyhow, I did find the procedure without help, just try this try that. It is not that difficult. A bit confusing.
Import previous users did not default to import from the same partition as selected on partition import. And it appears not to import user groups.
I think it imports from the most recently booted linux system. I'm not sure if it is using file system time stamps, or something else. And yes, it does not import groups.
Another thing that has not changed. It has always imported from the most recently accessed Linux.
Wouldn't it make sense to import from the same partition that it imported fstab from?
Hmmm, not so sure. What is wrong, in my opinion, is the fact that the user cannot select from where to import. Enforcing any solution (the most recent, the one imported in the partitioner or any other) is not optimal.
Certainly, enforcing is not optional. Only "default". Once the user says "I'm going to install over this partition", then it can import fstab, passwd, etc, or not, or from other partitions. In this case, there was only one group change; but on a complex system with several user defined groups, it is a chore.
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
The thing that worries me most is that the loading of the kernel took seven minutes - I timed it. I don't remember in which version this started to deteriorate, perhaps the kernel was simply smaller back then.
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On 4/16/19 3:25 PM, Neil Rickert wrote:
On 4/15/19 1:59 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The installation media on my machine (USB stick) took *seven minutes* just for grub to load the kernel. Then two more minutes till first click.
I'm pretty sure that's a BIOS issue.
No, as this machine didn't have the issue before.
Activation of crypto mounts was impossible.
I wouldn't say "impossible" but it is a weak spot.
For my recent installs, I have been writing down the UUID of the encrypted partitions before starting, so that I could recognize them. The use of UUID for identifying the partition is just a bad idea. UUIDs are for machines; they are not for people.
True. On the next boot (I had imported mount from the older install), the system asked for the passwords sucessfully, but did not mount them because fstab had (noauto). It is a bit curious opening the crypto partitions but not mounting them.
IMO, some of the screens are not nice, they do not look professional, they look antique. The system role display, for instance. In the past these things were nicer.
This did not bother me. Yes, it is less compact than for the 42.3 or earlier installs, because there are more choices. But they were easy enough to read and select.
No objection to that. But they are not attractive...
The expert partitioner has changed, and IMO it is not better. Huge display.
It took me a while to get used to this. But by now it seems to work pretty well.
I could select "mount by Label" as default, but not say that I prefer ext4. This was possible in the past.
I think you can do that if you click the "Guided" instead of "Expert Partitioner".
Can you import from old system that road?
Time zone: still does not geolocate and instead suggests USA as default area. It could import the setting from the previous install.
I don't think this is changed from earlier installers. I'm always annoyed by the timezone setting.
Correct, it has been always that way.
Import previous users did not default to import from the same partition as selected on partition import. And it appears not to import user groups.
I think it imports from the most recently booted linux system. I'm not sure if it is using file system time stamps, or something else. And yes, it does not import groups.
Default was network manager; this is a desktop machine.
There's a place you can click to switch to "wicked", though I have not tried that. If you select "Generic desktop" (or whatever it is called) you get "wicked" and "Icewm".
Yes, I switched.
The installation setting display lacks a view of the affected partitions, for one last check before proceeding with installation.
It's there, a choice near the bottom of the left column.
Ah? I'll try next time.
I did not notice where to select extra language :-?
I can't help with that, because I always go with US English.
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