Out of interest will; a laptop with an 386 running at 20Mhz run linux? I still have an old one that I use for programming amateur radios and might try it if I get enough time while flying rockets !. Cheers, Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 2013-04-06 19:44, gm1mqe@aol.com wrote:
Out of interest will; a laptop with an 386 running at 20Mhz run linux?
Yes, provided you use Linux kernel < 3.8. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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From: Jan Engelhardt
Out of interest will; a laptop with an 386 running at 20Mhz run linux?
Yes, provided you use Linux kernel < 3.8. -----Original Message----- Regarding a distro, yiu have to go back a long time. If it were a simple 586, maybe. But a 386 ???? Furthermore, these old beasts often have hardly any memory. below 512MB you have to stick to CLI-only, and below 1GB i'm not sure if you'll get KDE or GNOME workable. More likely that swapper is making over-hours ;-) fyi, I still have a machine with only 64MB @ 25MHz, But that little thing in only doing KDE-1 from suse_7.0 hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 2013-04-06 20:56, Hans Witvliet wrote:
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To: gm1mqe@aol.com Cc: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] I386 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 20:34:52 +0200 (CEST) On Saturday 2013-04-06 19:44, gm1mqe@aol.com wrote:
Out of interest will; a laptop with an 386 running at 20Mhz run linux?
Yes, provided you use Linux kernel < 3.8.
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Regarding a distro, yiu have to go back a long time.
Not really. I tried this a handful of years ago (2.6.13 with sash initramfs on a 5 MB RAM machine). All that was needed is to have a glibc compiled with -march=i386 instead of the usual -march=i586. The remaining programs were able to be reused from their i586 packages. (Remember to turn on FP emulation in the kernel as well.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Hans Witvliet
Regarding a distro, yiu have to go back a long time. If it were a simple 586, maybe. But a 386 ????
Furthermore, these old beasts often have hardly any memory. below 512MB you have to stick to CLI-only, and below 1GB i'm not sure if you'll get KDE or GNOME workable. More likely that swapper is making over-hours ;-)
Actually, both LightDM and FVWM2 work pretty well with 128M. I used to run them on an old Pentium-Pro, I just kept upgrading the OS, maybe building a kernel or two, and both of those WM were quite usable. The Pro died a while ago, so I'm wondering what life are you expecting form a 386. In any case, 386s have a lot less RAM than that. 512M is Pentium-III stuff. My old 386 has 4MB, and the motherboard's top was not much more, can't remember exactly how much. But I think you'd be hard-pressed to find one with 128M even. You can probably run CLI just fine. LightDM and FVWM2 will run on almost anything too, but usability is another issue. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-04-06 19:07 (GMT-0300) Claudio Freire composed:
In any case, 386s have a lot less RAM than that. 512M is Pentium-III stuff. My old 386 has 4MB, and the motherboard's top was not much more, can't remember exactly how much. But I think you'd be hard-pressed to find one with 128M even.
For 386DX, max motherboard population early on was commonly 8MB, with a 1MB stick in each of 8 slots. I don't think I ever encountered a possible population of more than 32MB. Even 16MB max was uncommon to start with. In a 386DX laptop any possibility of more than 32MB would shock me. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
gm1mqe@aol.com wrote:
Out of interest will; a laptop with an 386 running at 20Mhz run linux? I still have an old one that I use for programming amateur radios and might try it if I get enough time while flying rockets !.
Certainly real old distros will, but most have moved on to at least a Pentium these days -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/06/2013 02:44 PM, gm1mqe@aol.com wrote:
Out of interest will; a laptop with an 386 running at 20Mhz run linux? I still have an old one that I use for programming amateur radios and might try it if I get enough time while flying rockets !.
Cheers, Andy
openSUSE will not run, however another distribution running older kernels might (386 support has been removed from the kernel recently) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday, April 06, 2013 01:44:39 PM gm1mqe@aol.com wrote:
Out of interest will; a laptop with an 386 running at 20Mhz run linux? I still have an old one that I use for programming amateur radios and might try it if I get enough time while flying rockets !.
Cheers, Andy
Maybe you must try FreeBSD, PCBSD, openBSD, NetBSD on that device for those tasks. Most Linux distro seem to support Pentium CPU and upper. Hope this help you. Regards, Ricardo Chung openSUSE Projects Ambassador -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Rick Chung wrote:
Most Linux distro seem to support Pentium CPU and upper.
What's the latest SuSE version that supports the i386? Is it still available for download from somewhere. I have SuSE 5.3, from about 15 years ago here, which should run on it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2013-04-06 at 17:06 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Rick Chung wrote:
Most Linux distro seem to support Pentium CPU and upper.
What's the latest SuSE version that supports the i386? Is it still available for download from somewhere. I have SuSE 5.3, from about 15 years ago here, which should run on it.
I have a 386SX machine with 5MiB ram, and I installed 6.4 on it, I don't remember for sure. It runs very slow, text mode. I don't remember if I tried graphics. (I can not easily hook it up to keyboard and display to see what it has) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlFgovgACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XffgCfbcOh2aIZjZ1cZ8McpWPH31RI 4H4AnRvHNZWTvMR47P4NAnr1sJiDQmwb =9s3p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
James Knott
What's the latest SuSE version that supports the i386?
Looks like 8.0 was the last one. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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Andreas Schwab
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Carlos E. R.
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Claudio Freire
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Cristian Rodríguez
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Felix Miata
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gm1mqe@aol.com
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Hans Witvliet
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James Knott
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Jan Engelhardt
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Rick Chung