Re: [opensuse-factory] IDE ext3 - recovering journal after normal reboot
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 22:20 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Saturday, 2008-11-29 at 10:04 +1300, Quentin Jackson wrote:
I don't mean to be too contentious, but these are the reasons I switched to XFS. I would actually prefer to be ext3 since it's more common. Just my 2c :)
Actually, about two versions ago xfs had a problem similar to this one, it was not synced on halt. it must be recorded somewhere on the archive.
I guess I've been lucky :) I used to have to do ext3 fixups quite often on home and root. Out of interest (hope I can post this here) what do you guys recommend for a partition setup? Mine is simple, just swap, / and /home. Q
My main root partition is ext3, but home is xfs.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2008-11-29 at 10:41 +1300, Quentin Jackson wrote:
I don't mean to be too contentious, but these are the reasons I switched to XFS. I would actually prefer to be ext3 since it's more common. Just my 2c :)
Actually, about two versions ago xfs had a problem similar to this one, it was not synced on halt. it must be recorded somewhere on the archive.
I guess I've been lucky :)
I used to have to do ext3 fixups quite often on home and root. Out of interest (hope I can post this here) what do you guys recommend for a partition setup? Mine is simple, just swap, / and /home.
Who knows! If I recommend a setup, I'm sure there will be a nasty bug in 11.3 and you loose all data :-p What I use for my "production" part of the machine is ext3 for /, and a mixture of xfs and reiser for the rest. For example, home is xfs, and the /usr/src partition is reiser (compilation runs generate lots of small files, and run faster on a reiserfs partition). I use ext3 for root because it is probably the one with more support and better known - and it is the most crucial partition. As I keep most of my data out of it, it can be kept relatively small and fsck takes minutes. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkwgvsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WcWgCfbYLgne09FC8c0Wga+3hLjMSK uyMAn0drkfHr7eFQgZSg9d1yXwxBVVxc =onNF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Saturday, 2008-11-29 at 10:41 +1300, Quentin Jackson wrote:
I don't mean to be too contentious, but these are the reasons I switched to XFS. I would actually prefer to be ext3 since it's more common. Just my 2c :)
Actually, about two versions ago xfs had a problem similar to this one, it was not synced on halt. it must be recorded somewhere on the archive.
I guess I've been lucky :)
I used to have to do ext3 fixups quite often on home and root. Out of interest (hope I can post this here) what do you guys recommend for a partition setup? Mine is simple, just swap, / and /home.
Who knows! If I recommend a setup, I'm sure there will be a nasty bug in 11.3 and you loose all data :-p
In that case, I shall wait for 11.4 or 12.0 in case all my backups also fail.
What I use for my "production" part of the machine is ext3 for /, and a mixture of xfs and reiser for the rest. For example, home is xfs, and the /usr/src partition is reiser (compilation runs generate lots of small files, and run faster on a reiserfs partition). I use ext3 for root because it is probably the one with more support and better known - and it is the most crucial partition. As I keep most of my data out of it, it can be kept relatively small and fsck takes minutes.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
No doubt we shall soon be seeing EXT4 reaching the distros. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2008-11-29 at 02:42 -0000, Sid Boyce wrote:
interest (hope I can post this here) what do you guys recommend for a partition setup? Mine is simple, just swap, / and /home.
Who knows! If I recommend a setup, I'm sure there will be a nasty bug in 11.3 and you loose all data :-p
In that case, I shall wait for 11.4 or 12.0 in case all my backups also fail.
X-)
No doubt we shall soon be seeing EXT4 reaching the distros.
Probably. I'll let you guys do the testing and tell me when its safe ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkwrmgACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UzWQCfRm+LjljR9Z17TchG0uMtCtZw VvEAn2GEnmFFfX6uqnmxN3bMYbLgn7jK =FgOA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Saturday, 2008-11-29 at 02:42 -0000, Sid Boyce wrote:
interest (hope I can post this here) what do you guys recommend for a partition setup? Mine is simple, just swap, / and /home.
Who knows! If I recommend a setup, I'm sure there will be a nasty bug in 11.3 and you loose all data :-p
In that case, I shall wait for 11.4 or 12.0 in case all my backups also fail.
X-)
No doubt we shall soon be seeing EXT4 reaching the distros.
Probably. I'll let you guys do the testing and tell me when its safe ;-)
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
No problem, if no one tests this stuff, others would either hit big problems later or would stay with "safe" forever or until forced to move. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2008-11-29 at 03:04 -0000, Sid Boyce wrote:
No doubt we shall soon be seeing EXT4 reaching the distros.
Probably. I'll let you guys do the testing and tell me when its safe ;-)
No problem, if no one tests this stuff, others would either hit big problems later or would stay with "safe" forever or until forced to move.
I'd test if I had a machine dedicate to testing. As it is, my test machine is also my production machine, so I have to be careful. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkxQLcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VkhgCfXNDDnFL8u4iXUEk/elLguO3d 8rkAoI4mW3Zk3BSSxIuWbAD9wWYV8ufC =7Be8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Saturday, 2008-11-29 at 03:04 -0000, Sid Boyce wrote:
No doubt we shall soon be seeing EXT4 reaching the distros.
Probably. I'll let you guys do the testing and tell me when its safe ;-)
No problem, if no one tests this stuff, others would either hit big problems later or would stay with "safe" forever or until forced to move.
I'd test if I had a machine dedicate to testing. As it is, my test machine is also my production machine, so I have to be careful.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
I can understand your situation and would take that view if I had only one box that was critical. What I've always done, as box number 1's hardware became "obsolete", I'd upgrade it and use the parts to start box number 2, etc. This means I have backups, test beds and generally a means of getting out of trouble. My work laptop (the company's) always had SuSE installed, but with the nature of my work I needed to have most of the bleeding edged stuff installed on it. I would back the laptop up to 2 boxes at home just in case. It also allowed me to upgrade the hard drive or survive hard drive failures - I had a few. The laptop never once let me down. One morning I was trying to burn a Solaris patch CD that I needed for a customer's systems and an apache problem caused the web-based CD burning app - long before k3b and friends - to not work on my box at home. I was able to NFS mount the main box on to the laptop and burn the CD across the network as the laptop didn't have a burner -- not without a certain amount of panic as downtime was scheduled and the customer was 100% expecting his systems patched that morning. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2008-11-29 at 14:07 -0000, Sid Boyce wrote:
I can understand your situation and would take that view if I had only one box that was critical. What I've always done, as box number 1's hardware became "obsolete", I'd upgrade it and use the parts to start box number 2, etc. This means I
Me too, but my backup box is a pentium 1 machine with 32 MiB of ram... it just runs (barely) SuSE 7.3. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkxTyoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U4YQCff3Hh/vsEUlcMazqU3LBMrtbQ bdoAoJA56vrqO9rFGooK0OIY6kq9wgJw =ZVHI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Quentin Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 22:20 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Saturday, 2008-11-29 at 10:04 +1300, Quentin Jackson wrote:
I don't mean to be too contentious, but these are the reasons I switched to XFS. I would actually prefer to be ext3 since it's more common. Just my 2c :) Actually, about two versions ago xfs had a problem similar to this one, it was not synced on halt. it must be recorded somewhere on the archive.
I guess I've been lucky :)
I used to have to do ext3 fixups quite often on home and root. Out of interest (hope I can post this here) what do you guys recommend for a partition setup? Mine is simple, just swap, / and /home.
Q
My main root partition is ext3, but home is xfs.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
As I intensely dislike running out of space on partitions and having symlinks to wherever space is, I have / and swap on all my boxes. Even Sun went away from the old scheme in Solaris quite some years ago. Whenever I have suffered corruptions, it has always been down to faulty hardware that would have clobbered every partition. I also backup any critical data to multiple other boxes and to a USB hard drive. With the large hard drives available these days, perhaps any scheme works equally well. On a Sun workstation back in the 1990's, it ran out of space on the /usr (I think) partition so the guys at work couldn't install or build any new software - No problem, NFS mount / on the PC which I had installed Linux to the Sun box and I got them out of a hole - the problem was due to all the small standard disk partitions created as then recommended by Sun's default install. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2008-11-28 at 23:47 -0000, Sid Boyce wrote:
Whenever I have suffered corruptions, it has always been down to faulty hardware that would have clobbered every partition.
I, on the other hand, have suffered disk data corruption that affected only one or two partitions. Several times. Once I lost entirely an XFS partition, unrecoverable: a bug on the XFS repair program impeded data recovery (and they took more than a year to solve it). If all my data had been on a single partition, I'd have lost all data. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkwiOsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WjuQCfRyKdzOlwC5KnTxY8aaUXEPOQ yvEAn3Gt+XB9e5Z8fbtUhj3YWd4QwLfa =8KnP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Friday, 2008-11-28 at 23:47 -0000, Sid Boyce wrote:
Whenever I have suffered corruptions, it has always been down to faulty hardware that would have clobbered every partition.
I, on the other hand, have suffered disk data corruption that affected only one or two partitions. Several times. Once I lost entirely an XFS partition, unrecoverable: a bug on the XFS repair program impeded data recovery (and they took more than a year to solve it). If all my data had been on a single partition, I'd have lost all data.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Above I should have said that the faults clobbered multiple disks on the same IDE controller. My critical stuff is on /home and I do backups of that and some other handy stuff to 4 other systems and a USB attached drive -- /home is the one that would really cause hurt. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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