On 07/19/2010 03:40 PM, Linux_Sle wrote:

On 19/07/10 20:28, Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hi all,

It used to be standard practice to have Nvidia rpms ready for the release of a new openSUSE distro.

Who missed the memo for openSUSE 11.3?

Cheers!

Roman The nvidia rpms provided have not worked reliably in the past in my experience. Downloading and manually installing nvidia driver is a better option.

Sudhir

That is not entirely true. The rpms I installed from /home/Yareg worked out very well. Now, they are all missing from his repository. Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Dnia 19-07-2010 o 21:40:26 Linux_Sle napisał(a):

On 19/07/10 20:28, Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hi all,

It used to be standard practice to have Nvidia rpms ready for the release of a new openSUSE distro.

Who missed the memo for openSUSE 11.3?

Cheers!

Roman The nvidia rpms provided have not worked reliably in the past in my experience. Downloading and manually installing nvidia driver is a better option.

Sudhir

Sadly, I need to confirm it. After, 11.1 I guess, was released, I installed fresh SUSE and decided to install RPMs as I used to before, but they didn't work. I had to download the driver tarball and compile on my own. Then it started working. I don't trust their packages. Now I've migrated to ATI, but still have to compile on my own, as ATI fails to provide packages... It's not good to rely on hardware manufacturer... -- Pozdrawiam / Best regards / Viele Grüße, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://blog.jakubrusinek.pl/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 19/07/10 20:56, Roman Bysh wrote:

On 07/19/2010 03:52 PM, Jakub Rusinek wrote:

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Dnia 19-07-2010 o 21:40:26 Linux_Sle napisał(a):

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On 19/07/10 20:28, Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hi all,

It used to be standard practice to have Nvidia rpms ready for the release of a new openSUSE distro.

Who missed the memo for openSUSE 11.3?

Cheers!

Roman The nvidia rpms provided have not worked reliably in the past in my experience. Downloading and manually installing nvidia driver is a better option.

Sudhir Sadly, I need to confirm it. After, 11.1 I guess, was released, I installed fresh SUSE and decided to install RPMs as I used to before, but they didn't work. I had to download the driver tarball and compile on my own. Then it started working. I don't trust their packages.

Now I've migrated to ATI, but still have to compile on my own, as ATI fails to provide packages... It's not good to rely on hardware manufacturer...

Will this be the official decision from the top? How are distros dealing with this? And, how are we to draw new users to openSUSE with such views?

Roman The problem lies with the sheer number of Linux distributions, each with its own manner of managing software updates and system configuration. I have been using SuSE/openSuSE for the last 12 years and have got used to its way of doing software management. Having tried Fedora and Mandriva recently, it was difficult to configure these systems as they are very different from openSuSE.

Users have a vast number of distributions to choose from. Until Linux distributions have a common software management, updates and hardware configuration, things will not get better. Sudhir -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 03:56:15PM -0400, Roman Bysh wrote:

On 07/19/2010 03:52 PM, Jakub Rusinek wrote:

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Dnia 19-07-2010 o 21:40:26 Linux_Sle napisał(a):

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On 19/07/10 20:28, Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hi all,

It used to be standard practice to have Nvidia rpms ready for the release of a new openSUSE distro.

Who missed the memo for openSUSE 11.3?

Cheers!

Roman The nvidia rpms provided have not worked reliably in the past in my experience. Downloading and manually installing nvidia driver is a better option.

Sudhir

Sadly, I need to confirm it. After, 11.1 I guess, was released, I installed fresh SUSE and decided to install RPMs as I used to before, but they didn't work. I had to download the driver tarball and compile on my own. Then it started working. I don't trust their packages.

Now I've migrated to ATI, but still have to compile on my own, as ATI fails to provide packages... It's not good to rely on hardware manufacturer...

Will this be the official decision from the top? How are distros dealing with this? And, how are we to draw new users to openSUSE with such views?

NVIDIA will be offering them for download for 11.3 again. It just takes a while to publish those RPMs. Ciao, MArcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Dnia 19-07-2010 o 23:10:18 Roman Bysh napisał(a):

For the last 4 versions, the rpms were ready on the day of the release of the official openSUSE release, except openSUSE 11.3?

Cheers!

Roman

For sure they were ready on release day? -- Best regards, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://blog.jakubrusinek.pl/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Dnia 19-07-2010 o 23:14:53 Roman Bysh napisał(a):

On 07/19/2010 05:13 PM, Jakub Rusinek wrote:

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Dnia 19-07-2010 o 23:10:18 Roman Bysh napisał(a):

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For the last 4 versions, the rpms were ready on the day of the release of the official openSUSE release, except openSUSE 11.3?

Cheers!

Roman

For sure they were ready on release day?

Were they almost a week late?

I'm sure day of publish is rather random than planned. Depends on amount of work required to prepare packages. -- Best regards, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://blog.jakubrusinek.pl/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Dnia 19-07-2010 o 23:25:48 Marcus Meissner napisał(a):

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:18:03PM +0200, Jakub Rusinek wrote:

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Dnia 19-07-2010 o 23:14:53 Roman Bysh napisał(a):

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On 07/19/2010 05:13 PM, Jakub Rusinek wrote:

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Dnia 19-07-2010 o 23:10:18 Roman Bysh napisał(a):

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For the last 4 versions, the rpms were ready on the day of the release of the official openSUSE release, except openSUSE 11.3?

Cheers!

Roman

For sure they were ready on release day?

Were they almost a week late?

I'm sure day of publish is rather random than planned. Depends on amount of work required to prepare packages.

No, the day of release actually is quite planned and we hit it this time.

And building NVIDIA rpms and getting them pushed to the NVIDIA site takes some days.

Ciao, Marcus

Well, good to find out something new ;) . -- Best regards, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://blog.jakubrusinek.pl/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 07:45:05PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

El 19/07/10 17:25, Marcus Meissner escribió:

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And building NVIDIA rpms and getting them pushed to the NVIDIA site takes some days.

Now they are there, but that driver version is pretty old, current version is 256.35 but repo has 195.36 :|

I know. A lot has changed between 195.36.xx and 256.xx.xx. I'm going to ask for volunteers on opensuse-factory, who are interested in adjusting the specfiles for the new version. I still have an email by Andy Ritger with more details around, which I can provide to the persons interested in that job. Thanks, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Dnia 19-07-2010 o 22:07:43 Linux_Sle napisał(a):

On 19/07/10 20:52, Jakub Rusinek wrote:

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Dnia 19-07-2010 o 21:40:26 Linux_Sle napisał(a):

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On 19/07/10 20:28, Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hi all,

It used to be standard practice to have Nvidia rpms ready for the release of a new openSUSE distro.

Who missed the memo for openSUSE 11.3?

Cheers!

Roman The nvidia rpms provided have not worked reliably in the past in my experience. Downloading and manually installing nvidia driver is a better option.

Sudhir

Sadly, I need to confirm it. After, 11.1 I guess, was released, I installed fresh SUSE and decided to install RPMs as I used to before, but they didn't work. I had to download the driver tarball and compile on my own. Then it started working. I don't trust their packages.

Now I've migrated to ATI, but still have to compile on my own, as ATI fails to provide packages... It's not good to rely on hardware manufacturer...

Since ATI were taken over AMD, Linux support should have got better. Have you checked their website? An old HP with ATI chip worked well with ATI drivers. This does depend of course of the drivers are available for your particulae chip.

Sudhir

ATI support for Linux... sucks. It's hard to get Catalyst driver from their website as "Download" page doesn't provide Catalyst for Linux and searching the website can give you either 9.3 or 10.3 driver, when 10.6 is available. I am using their driver downloaded from their website, opened form an external link. And I also managed to run XvBA over VA-API and use it with MPlayer and enjoy watching FullHD movies. And I have Radeon HD 4650 with AGP link, if you wanted to ask me. -- Best regards, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://blog.jakubrusinek.pl/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Dnia 19-07-2010 o 22:42:52 Linux_Sle napisał(a):

On 19/07/10 21:39, Jakub Rusinek wrote:

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Dnia 19-07-2010 o 22:07:43 Linux_Sle napisał(a):

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On 19/07/10 20:52, Jakub Rusinek wrote:

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Dnia 19-07-2010 o 21:40:26 Linux_Sle napisał(a):

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On 19/07/10 20:28, Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hi all,

It used to be standard practice to have Nvidia rpms ready for the release of a new openSUSE distro.

Who missed the memo for openSUSE 11.3?

Cheers!

Roman The nvidia rpms provided have not worked reliably in the past in my experience. Downloading and manually installing nvidia driver is a better option.

Sudhir

Sadly, I need to confirm it. After, 11.1 I guess, was released, I installed fresh SUSE and decided to install RPMs as I used to before, but they didn't work. I had to download the driver tarball and compile on my own. Then it started working. I don't trust their packages.

Now I've migrated to ATI, but still have to compile on my own, as ATI fails to provide packages... It's not good to rely on hardware manufacturer...

Since ATI were taken over AMD, Linux support should have got better. Have you checked their website? An old HP with ATI chip worked well with ATI drivers. This does depend of course of the drivers are available for your particulae chip.

Sudhir

ATI support for Linux... sucks. It's hard to get Catalyst driver from their website as "Download" page doesn't provide Catalyst for Linux and searching the website can give you either 9.3 or 10.3 driver, when 10.6 is available.

I am using their driver downloaded from their website, opened form an external link. And I also managed to run XvBA over VA-API and use it with MPlayer and enjoy watching FullHD movies.

And I have Radeon HD 4650 with AGP link, if you wanted to ask me.

From past experiences, ATI's Linux support can only be described as patchy and unreliable. With this in mind, only buy computers with nvidia chips. For the past 10 years or so, graphics drivers have not been an issue with nvidia.

Sudhir

I decided to buy an ATI card as about six got burned in computer I am using right now. Or at last not burned but broken. And ATI card is cheaper and provides more functionality when compared to a nVidia card of the same price. And Catalyst seems working fine. No hardlocks, no artifacts in HW video playback over XvBA, only sometimes window borders get black, but they quickly get back normal. -- Best regards, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://blog.jakubrusinek.pl/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Mandag den 19. juli 2010 21:52:16 skrev Jakub Rusinek:

Dnia 19-07-2010 o 21:40:26 Linux_Sle napisał(a):

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The nvidia rpms provided have not worked reliably in the past in my experience. Downloading and manually installing nvidia driver is a better option.

Sadly, I need to confirm it. After, 11.1 I guess, was released, I installed fresh SUSE and decided to install RPMs as I used to before, but they didn't work. I had to download the driver tarball and compile on my own. Then it started working. I don't trust their packages.

Maybe you guys needed a newer version than the packaged one, or you installed the wrong one or something else went wrong. On irc, the wiki, forums etc. those packages are pushed hundreds of times every single day, and 98% of the time they just work(tm). The rest of the time the user has a card that's too new, or too old to be supported. The fact that there is no easy way to install the 3d blobs on 11.3 is doing huge damage, and making openSUSE look plain ridiculous compared to the competition. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Dnia 19-07-2010 o 22:19:39 Martin Schlander napisał(a):

Mandag den 19. juli 2010 21:52:16 skrev Jakub Rusinek:

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Dnia 19-07-2010 o 21:40:26 Linux_Sle napisał(a):

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The nvidia rpms provided have not worked reliably in the past in my experience. Downloading and manually installing nvidia driver is a better option.

Sadly, I need to confirm it. After, 11.1 I guess, was released, I installed fresh SUSE and decided to install RPMs as I used to before, but they didn't work. I had to download the driver tarball and compile on my own. Then it started working. I don't trust their packages.

Maybe you guys needed a newer version than the packaged one, or you installed the wrong one or something else went wrong.

On irc, the wiki, forums etc. those packages are pushed hundreds of times every single day, and 98% of the time they just work(tm). The rest of the time the user has a card that's too new, or too old to be supported.

The fact that there is no easy way to install the 3d blobs on 11.3 is doing huge damage, and making openSUSE look plain ridiculous compared to the competition.

Using the same driver version with the same X.Org version under different SUSEs cannot fail without package provider's fault. Of course, it can, but I have years of experience and I know exactly what I am doing. So, have a good night, if it's night yet, where you live ;) . -- Best regards, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://blog.jakubrusinek.pl/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org