[opensuse-factory] Gross bugs in GM
This is a vent, but it's serious. Every time a GM comes out with gross bugs, I have feelings of hopelessness and inadequacy with regards to my beta testing of openSUSE. It's like I haven't done enough, didn't take good care and the baby was born retarded. Gross bug number 1 LiveCD KDE4, boot as Live system then click "Install". At the end of installation, during "Saving boot loader" phase, a loud alarm comes out of the PC speaker and installation doesn't proceed. Tried twice, it reproduces exactly the same. The computer is not frozen, I can use it. Check out processes with "top", see that "scr stdout scr" is taking up a lot of CPU. Kill "scr", installation resumes as normal, although the PC Speaker remains on and loud until reboot. I have verified that my BIOS doesn't have some bullshit "Antivirus protection" for MBR. The boot loader is set to be installed to PBR anyway. Ok, so I was able to work around this because I'm a sysadmin. But the question remains: What Would A Linux Newbie Do? Well, he would have to: - know how to access the console: [Ctrl+Alt+Fx] - know the command "top" - know ps axw | grep scr - know kill pid_of_scr Welcome to Linux, newbie! Have a lot of fun! Gross bug number 2 On this computer, I also have Windows. While in KDE, I click "Restart Computer" and choose "Windows" so next boot is directly into Windows. This works, then it works, then it works, then it works. It boots directly into Windows every fucking time I reboot the computer, no GRUB menu for me. In this case, I don't know yet what to do to work around this. I'll use Google and probably solve it, but the question is still there and it burns: What Would a Linux Newbie Do? And yeah, I'll go through the motions, open bugs in Bugzilla, keep the faith, gather hope for the future... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
This is a vent, but it's serious.
Every time a GM comes out with gross bugs, I have feelings of hopelessness and inadequacy with regards to my beta testing of openSUSE. It's like I haven't done enough, didn't take good care and the baby was born retarded.
Gross bug number 1 LiveCD KDE4, boot as Live system then click "Install". At the end of installation, during "Saving boot loader" phase, a loud alarm comes out of the PC speaker and installation doesn't proceed. Tried twice, it reproduces exactly the same. The computer is not frozen, I can use it. Check out processes with "top", see that "scr stdout scr" is taking up a lot of CPU. Kill "scr", installation resumes as normal, although the PC Speaker remains on and loud until reboot. I have verified that my BIOS doesn't have some bullshit "Antivirus protection" for MBR. The boot loader is set to be installed to PBR anyway. Ok, so I was able to work around this because I'm a sysadmin. But the question remains: What Would A Linux Newbie Do? Well, he would have to: - know how to access the console: [Ctrl+Alt+Fx] - know the command "top" - know ps axw | grep scr - know kill pid_of_scr Welcome to Linux, newbie! Have a lot of fun!
Gross bug number 2 On this computer, I also have Windows. While in KDE, I click "Restart Computer" and choose "Windows" so next boot is directly into Windows. This works, then it works, then it works, then it works. It boots directly into Windows every fucking time I reboot the computer, no GRUB menu for me. In this case, I don't know yet what to do to work around this. I'll use Google and probably solve it, but the question is still there and it burns:
What Would a Linux Newbie Do?
And yeah, I'll go through the motions, open bugs in Bugzilla, keep the faith, gather hope for the future... Sorry to hear of your bad experiences. Hope the team responsible for
On 18/07/10 18:03, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote: packaging and releasing Opensuse take your comments into consideration to prevent this happening in the future. As regards the grub menu, download and burn SuperGrub to a cd from http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10921. Boot from this cd and it will restore grub on your computer. Regards. Sudhir -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2010-07-18 at 20:03 +0300, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
This is a vent, but it's serious.
Every time a GM comes out with gross bugs, I have feelings of hopelessness and inadequacy with regards to my beta testing of openSUSE. It's like I haven't done enough, didn't take good care and the baby was born retarded.
Gross bug number 1 LiveCD KDE4, boot as Live system then click "Install". At the end of installation, during "Saving boot loader" phase, a loud alarm comes out of the PC speaker and installation doesn't proceed.
Gross bug number 2 On this computer, I also have Windows. While in KDE, I click "Restart Computer" and choose "Windows" so next boot is directly into Windows. This works, then it works, then it works, then it works. It boots directly into Windows every fucking time I reboot the computer, no GRUB menu for me. In this case, I don't know yet what to do to work around this. I'll use Google and probably solve it, but the question is still there and it burns:
You know that installation related problems vary from system to system a lot. For example, I did not meet any of these problems, neither during testing phase nor in the GM. So I was just wondering if you did face similar problems during testing phase too, if indeed you had the chance to test on the same hardware. For your second problem, did you meet a helpful windows error checking and fixing blue screen when it started up? Because, it once happened to me that windows "fixed" the computer so that the GRUB was just gone from the MBR. In any case, you can just pop in a rescue CD [if you don't have a preferred one, you can try this out http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page , worked out qute well for me] and choose to fix the Grub. Hope you find solutions to the problems, but the GM quality in my opinion was quite good. Sorry to find it turned out not so good for you. Bye -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Dear Silviu, I will start with the end... even if rhetorical your question deserves an answer. Usually newbies write lame complaints and incomplete bug reports on the mailing list complaining about the voluntaries work. Now on the technical part. 1. Can you tell us a little bit more about the hw that you use? personally I have not experienced that bug and I did not hear anybody complaining about it. 2. what windows version are you using? where did you write your grub. regards, Alin keep gross and other strong words to qualify the products you pay for... On Sun, July 18, 2010 6:03 pm, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
This is a vent, but it's serious.
Every time a GM comes out with gross bugs, I have feelings of hopelessness and inadequacy with regards to my beta testing of openSUSE. It's like I haven't done enough, didn't take good care and the baby was born retarded.
Gross bug number 1 LiveCD KDE4, boot as Live system then click "Install". At the end of installation, during "Saving boot loader" phase, a loud alarm comes out of the PC speaker and installation doesn't proceed. Tried twice, it reproduces exactly the same. The computer is not frozen, I can use it. Check out processes with "top", see that "scr stdout scr" is taking up a lot of CPU. Kill "scr", installation resumes as normal, although the PC Speaker remains on and loud until reboot. I have verified that my BIOS doesn't have some bullshit "Antivirus protection" for MBR. The boot loader is set to be installed to PBR anyway. Ok, so I was able to work around this because I'm a sysadmin. But the question remains: What Would A Linux Newbie Do? Well, he would have to: - know how to access the console: [Ctrl+Alt+Fx] - know the command "top" - know ps axw | grep scr - know kill pid_of_scr Welcome to Linux, newbie! Have a lot of fun!
Gross bug number 2 On this computer, I also have Windows. While in KDE, I click "Restart Computer" and choose "Windows" so next boot is directly into Windows. This works, then it works, then it works, then it works. It boots directly into Windows every fucking time I reboot the computer, no GRUB menu for me. In this case, I don't know yet what to do to work around this. I'll use Google and probably solve it, but the question is still there and it burns:
What Would a Linux Newbie Do?
And yeah, I'll go through the motions, open bugs in Bugzilla, keep the faith, gather hope for the future... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Well... the last time I felt the urge to comment on such things was the blatant failure of the rescue/repair system in 10.2 (or was is 10.3 ?). A fact that could have been discovered in 2 minutes by almost anybody. I'm bold enough to believe that even a reasonable intelligent parrot could have discovered it and rightfully started a squawking tantrum, biting the the next best person until blood drips off the "commit-button finger". Maybe it is time to reconsider what is important: a) Not missing a release date/cycle at all cost, shipping "crap" (before I get fried: this is an intentional exaggeration) to the users and move all existing bug reports to the next version. b) Letting the cheese/wine properly mature until it becomes really tasty. This clearly takes more time and more testers. I understand that most bugs can only be found by actually using the software, and herein lies THE problem. I don't have an issue with testing a live CD in Virtualbox now and then, but that won't show most issues with hardware (fake raid controllers etc.). I and certainly most of the other casual testers won't want to trash a working system with "crap". Installing a reasonably aged release candidate would be OK I guess. What is a release of openSUSE supposed to be? Cutting edge "crap" that needs a few "service packs", or something a bit less colorful that just works? Or is "it just works" monopolized by SLED? R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 20/07/10 00:22, madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org wrote:
Well...
the last time I felt the urge to comment on such things was the blatant failure of the rescue/repair system in 10.2 (or was is 10.3 ?). A fact that could have been discovered in 2 minutes by almost anybody. I'm bold enough to believe that even a reasonable intelligent parrot could have discovered it and rightfully started a squawking tantrum, biting the the next best person until blood drips off the "commit-button finger".
Maybe it is time to reconsider what is important:
a) Not missing a release date/cycle at all cost, shipping "crap" (before I get fried: this is an intentional exaggeration) to the users and move all existing bug reports to the next version. b) Letting the cheese/wine properly mature until it becomes really tasty. This clearly takes more time and more testers.
I understand that most bugs can only be found by actually using the software, and herein lies THE problem. I don't have an issue with testing a live CD in Virtualbox now and then, but that won't show most issues with hardware (fake raid controllers etc.). I and certainly most of the other casual testers won't want to trash a working system with "crap". Installing a reasonably aged release candidate would be OK I guess.
What is a release of openSUSE supposed to be? Cutting edge "crap" that needs a few "service packs", or something a bit less colorful that just works? Or is "it just works" monopolized by SLED?
R.
Wow, you've emptied the concert hall with this one "madworm"! :-D BC -- And God created Woman; and to repent He then created Beer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 19.07.2010 16:31, Basil Chupin wrote: [...]
Wow, you've emptied the concert hall with this one "madworm"! :-D
BC
Ah! Then some Vogon poetry will surely remove the rest of the audiency... Oh freddled gruntbuggly, Thy micturations are to me As plurdled gabbleblotchits On a lurgid bee That mordiously hath bitled out Its earted jurtles Into a rancid festering [drowned out by moaning and screaming] Now the jurpling slayjid agrocrustles Are slurping hagrilly up the axlegrurts And living glupules frart and slipulate Like jowling meated liverslime Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes And hooptiously drangle me With crinkly bindlewurdles, Or else I shall rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon See if I don't. SCNR ;-) R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 20/07/10 00:37, madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org wrote:
On 19.07.2010 16:31, Basil Chupin wrote:
[...]
Wow, you've emptied the concert hall with this one "madworm"! :-D
BC
Ah! Then some Vogon poetry will surely remove the rest of the audiency...
Oh freddled gruntbuggly, Thy micturations are to me As plurdled gabbleblotchits On a lurgid bee That mordiously hath bitled out Its earted jurtles Into a rancid festering [drowned out by moaning and screaming] Now the jurpling slayjid agrocrustles Are slurping hagrilly up the axlegrurts And living glupules frart and slipulate Like jowling meated liverslime Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes And hooptiously drangle me With crinkly bindlewurdles, Or else I shall rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon See if I don't.
SCNR ;-)
R.
That almost made me cry...so beautiful...captures so succinctly the whole subject...total and sheer delight! Hope to read some more of the Vogon poetry - when you find the time to write it that is. Or perhaps Marvin could be persuaded to make a contribution? BC -- And God created Woman; and to repent He then created Beer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 07/19/2010 10:22 AM, madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org wrote:
Well...
the last time I felt the urge to comment on such things was the blatant failure of the rescue/repair system in 10.2 (or was is 10.3 ?). A fact that could have been discovered in 2 minutes by almost anybody. I'm bold enough to believe that even a reasonable intelligent parrot could have discovered it and rightfully started a squawking tantrum, biting the the next best person until blood drips off the "commit-button finger".
Maybe it is time to reconsider what is important:
a) Not missing a release date/cycle at all cost, shipping "crap" (before I get fried: this is an intentional exaggeration) to the users and move all existing bug reports to the next version. b) Letting the cheese/wine properly mature until it becomes really tasty. This clearly takes more time and more testers.
I understand that most bugs can only be found by actually using the software, and herein lies THE problem. I don't have an issue with testing a live CD in Virtualbox now and then, but that won't show most issues with hardware (fake raid controllers etc.). I and certainly most of the other casual testers won't want to trash a working system with "crap". Installing a reasonably aged release candidate would be OK I guess.
What is a release of openSUSE supposed to be? Cutting edge "crap" that needs a few "service packs", or something a bit less colorful that just works? Or is "it just works" monopolized by SLED?
R.
Am I reading you right? You don't want to test except maybe a minimal. And the use launguage like this. The language you are using is quite unacceptable -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 07/19/2010 10:16 PM, Dale Ritchey wrote:
On 07/19/2010 10:22 AM, madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org wrote:
Well...
the last time I felt the urge to comment on such things was the blatant failure of the rescue/repair system in 10.2 (or was is 10.3 ?). A fact that could have been discovered in 2 minutes by almost anybody. I'm bold enough to believe that even a reasonable intelligent parrot could have discovered it and rightfully started a squawking tantrum, biting the the next best person until blood drips off the "commit-button finger".
Maybe it is time to reconsider what is important:
a) Not missing a release date/cycle at all cost, shipping "crap" (before I get fried: this is an intentional exaggeration) to the users and move all existing bug reports to the next version. b) Letting the cheese/wine properly mature until it becomes really tasty. This clearly takes more time and more testers.
I understand that most bugs can only be found by actually using the software, and herein lies THE problem. I don't have an issue with testing a live CD in Virtualbox now and then, but that won't show most issues with hardware (fake raid controllers etc.). I and certainly most of the other casual testers won't want to trash a working system with "crap". Installing a reasonably aged release candidate would be OK I guess.
What is a release of openSUSE supposed to be? Cutting edge "crap" that needs a few "service packs", or something a bit less colorful that just works? Or is "it just works" monopolized by SLED?
R.
Am I reading you right? You don't want to test except maybe a minimal. And the use launguage like this. The language you are using is quite unacceptable
I can write in German if you prefer a different 'language', and be more explicit about my views on certain things. This is certainly not what you want, believe me. BTW, the answer is NO. Regarding "crap": Using that word was a deliberate exaggeration (which I informed the readers about btw). Purpose: to provoke a reaction other than just "yeah, heard that one before. that's not really a problem, so we'll just fix it next time... maybe". I'm glad I've got your full attention now. "Crap" or maybe even "Heap of ...." is most likely what will be coming out of a "could have been a new openSUSE"-user's mouth if (as stated in the first mail about "gross bugs in GM") _certain_ things don't work for _whatever_ reason. It doesn't matter if the remaining 99.9% work as expected. That's just the way it is. If you need/want a certain feature and don't get it right away the result is... inevitable. Denial is futile. Regarding "minimal testing": I'm a paranoid, ignorant and lazy bastard, just like most people out there. I just don't happen to have a spare computer I can dedicate to just doing test installations (except three or four 486 machines, but they'd be of no use nowadays). Testing stuff in a VM I can do anytime, but the information gained is of limited value as far as real hardware is concerned. And I just can't do any critical stuff on my main machines. Sure I've got lots of backups in safe places and separate data partitions, but it's just not going to happen. Never change a running system. Some of the vital questions are: How to do more useful testing effectively? Is it enough to ask people to download live CDs and just look for "everything" at once? More automated testing maybe? A more flexible release cycle? Who really can oppose a delayed release if things get fixed, except maybe the [censored] sales [censored]. ----------- @BC: "I didn't ask to be made: no one consulted me or considered my feelings in the matter. I don't think it even occurred to them that I might have feelings. After I was made, I was left in a dark room for six months... and me with this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side. I called for succour in my loneliness, but did anyone come? Did they hell. My first and only true friend was a small rat. One day it crawled into a cavity in my right ankle and died. I have a horrible feeling it's still there..." R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 20/07/10 07:47, madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org wrote:
@BC:
"I didn't ask to be made: no one consulted me or considered my feelings in the matter. I don't think it even occurred to them that I might have feelings. After I was made, I was left in a dark room for six months... and me with this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side. I called for succour in my loneliness, but did anyone come? Did they hell. My first and only true friend was a small rat. One day it crawled into a cavity in my right ankle and died. I have a horrible feeling it's still there..."
R.
You're not by any chance quoting open_(Marvin)_SUSE, are you? :-) (One of the better books to read, or DVDs to watch, this......One requires some serious imagination and sense of humour to write something like that.) BC -- And God created Woman; and to repent He then created Beer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org (madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org) [20100719 23:47]:
I can write in German if you prefer a different 'language', and be more explicit about my views on certain things. This is certainly not what you want, believe me. BTW, the answer is NO.
And how about keeping to normal nettiquette and use fixed line length of ~72 chars? Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org (madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org) [20100719 23:47]:
I can write in German if you prefer a different 'language', and be more explicit about my views on certain things. This is certainly not what you want, believe me. BTW, the answer is NO. And how about keeping to normal nettiquette and use fixed line length of ~72 chars?
Philipp Normal things die out pretty quickly. Besides I don't think that I was
On 23.07.2010 12:07, Philipp Thomas wrote: particularly rough, I was just rubbing a little bit of salt into the wounds. You can't cure which doesn't hurt. Now I'll go silent again, sinking into oblivion, turning into a figment of imagination, fading away quickly. r. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:33:18 +0200, madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org wrote:
Normal things die out pretty quickly. Besides I don't think that I was particularly rough, I was just rubbing a little bit of salt into the wounds.
That's your view of things. Most people here tend too see it differently.
You can't cure which doesn't hurt.
I bet you'll make loads of friends with that style. But if you want to live a rambo like life it's your choice, not mine. It'll just make you a very lonely person.
Now I'll go silent again, sinking into oblivion, turning into a figment of imagination, fading away quickly.
Yep, perfect mature behaviour. Poke folks and grudgingly hide again if they don't react as expected. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 07/26/2010 01:01 AM, Philipp Thomas wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:33:18 +0200, madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org wrote:
Normal things die out pretty quickly. Besides I don't think that I was particularly rough, I was just rubbing a little bit of salt into the wounds. That's your view of things. Most people here tend too see it differently.
You can't cure which doesn't hurt. I bet you'll make loads of friends with that style. But if you want to live a rambo like life it's your choice, not mine. It'll just make you a very lonely person.
Now I'll go silent again, sinking into oblivion, turning into a figment of imagination, fading away quickly. Yep, perfect mature behaviour. Poke folks and grudgingly hide again if they don't react as expected.
Philipp Who's hiding here. Rambo, well I like the first movie. The later ones are focused too much on weapons and such things.
This little episode here shockingly reminds me of the way politicians behave, well most of them anyway. Say something about their work and wait. The more clamor comes back from them, the more you can be sure that what you said is spot on. If maturity is a synonym for not saying what should be said because someone could feel offended, then this world is doomed. It is anyway, but that's a different matter. There is some room for discussion about how the message can be formulated, but I've never been in favour of "honey-wrapping" my thoughts. I speak my mind freely. There's only one spot of time in life of every human being that rightfully can be linked to "maturity", and that's the second he or she dies. As this will happen soon enough, I'm trying to stay away from it as long as I can. Enough of this philosophical excursion. If the result of this obscene outbreak of impoliteness, as some apparently see it, is getting closer to a release cycle of openSUSE that is primarily controlled by the fitness of the product, absence of 'gross bugs' and not a date in someones diary, I gladly accept the role of the evil ogre. R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 07/25/2010 09:56 PM, madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org wrote:
On 07/26/2010 01:01 AM, Philipp Thomas wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:33:18 +0200, madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org wrote:
Normal things die out pretty quickly. Besides I don't think that I was particularly rough, I was just rubbing a little bit of salt into the wounds.
That's your view of things. Most people here tend too see it differently.
You can't cure which doesn't hurt.
I bet you'll make loads of friends with that style. But if you want to live a rambo like life it's your choice, not mine. It'll just make you a very lonely person.
Now I'll go silent again, sinking into oblivion, turning into a figment of imagination, fading away quickly.
Yep, perfect mature behaviour. Poke folks and grudgingly hide again if they don't react as expected.
Philipp
Who's hiding here. Rambo, well I like the first movie. The later ones are focused too much on weapons and such things.
This little episode here shockingly reminds me of the way politicians behave, well most of them anyway. Say something about their work and wait. The more clamor comes back from them, the more you can be sure that what you said is spot on.
If maturity is a synonym for not saying what should be said because someone could feel offended, then this world is doomed. It is anyway, but that's a different matter. There is some room for discussion about how the message can be formulated, but I've never been in favour of "honey-wrapping" my thoughts. I speak my mind freely.
There's only one spot of time in life of every human being that rightfully can be linked to "maturity", and that's the second he or she dies. As this will happen soon enough, I'm trying to stay away from it as long as I can.
Enough of this philosophical excursion.
If the result of this obscene outbreak of impoliteness, as some apparently see it, is getting closer to a release cycle of openSUSE that is primarily controlled by the fitness of the product, absence of 'gross bugs' and not a date in someones diary, I gladly accept the role of the evil ogre.
R.
Does this even belong on this list? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 26/07/10 21:55, Dale Ritchey wrote:
On 07/25/2010 09:56 PM, madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org wrote:
On 07/26/2010 01:01 AM, Philipp Thomas wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:33:18 +0200, madworm_de.novell@spitzenpfeil.org wrote:
Normal things die out pretty quickly. Besides I don't think that I was particularly rough, I was just rubbing a little bit of salt into the wounds.
That's your view of things. Most people here tend too see it differently.
You can't cure which doesn't hurt.
I bet you'll make loads of friends with that style. But if you want to live a rambo like life it's your choice, not mine. It'll just make you a very lonely person.
Now I'll go silent again, sinking into oblivion, turning into a figment of imagination, fading away quickly.
Yep, perfect mature behaviour. Poke folks and grudgingly hide again if they don't react as expected.
Philipp
Who's hiding here. Rambo, well I like the first movie. The later ones are focused too much on weapons and such things.
This little episode here shockingly reminds me of the way politicians behave, well most of them anyway. Say something about their work and wait. The more clamor comes back from them, the more you can be sure that what you said is spot on.
If maturity is a synonym for not saying what should be said because someone could feel offended, then this world is doomed. It is anyway, but that's a different matter. There is some room for discussion about how the message can be formulated, but I've never been in favour of "honey-wrapping" my thoughts. I speak my mind freely.
There's only one spot of time in life of every human being that rightfully can be linked to "maturity", and that's the second he or she dies. As this will happen soon enough, I'm trying to stay away from it as long as I can.
Enough of this philosophical excursion.
If the result of this obscene outbreak of impoliteness, as some apparently see it, is getting closer to a release cycle of openSUSE that is primarily controlled by the fitness of the product, absence of 'gross bugs' and not a date in someones diary, I gladly accept the role of the evil ogre.
R.
Does this even belong on this list?
Why do you ask? Do you see a reason for asking this question? If so then give this reason. BC -- A man kept complaining about not having shoes to wear - until he saw a man with no legs. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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