On Tuesday, February 13th, 2024 at 6:06 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

On maandag 12 februari 2024 23:56:18 CET Joe Salmeri wrote:

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Today I updated 3 different TW machines to 20240209 and after the update all 3 machines had left a bunch of files in /var/tmp

-rw------- 1 root root 171 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.01nGYs -rw------- 1 root root 162 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.0F9SKk -rw------- 1 root root 584 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.0HRekP -rw------- 1 root root 144 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.0Jypl0 -rw------- 1 root root 189 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.0RjI2T -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.2xB1Y6 -rw------- 1 root root 323 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.32PHlX -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.32h0dA -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.3bKAhk -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.3ddfcm -rw------- 1 root root 179 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.4Telv8 -rw------- 1 root root 380 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.5Cv9y8 -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.5Ydws8 -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.645opu -rw------- 1 root root 325 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.6s5FVH -rw------- 1 root root 38 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.7S80ua -rw------- 1 root root 479 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.88jeF7 -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.9ROL53 -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.A1VJ1V -rw------- 1 root root 165 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.A6Nr26 -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.BwhXr0 -rw------- 1 root root 349 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.ChsDcv -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.DJF4kQ -rw------- 1 root root 239 Feb 12 16:17 rpm-tmp.DdHDoG -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.EUKCmc -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.EeQkFN -rw------- 1 root root 1.7K Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.FfKVv8 -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.GfMj9Y -rw------- 1 root root 188 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.GmaVhl -rw------- 1 root root 238 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.GzS1dI -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.HDXyF4 -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.HHkRay -rw------- 1 root root 256 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.HMDScF -rw------- 1 root root 246 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.HSpmGn -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.Hru0EE -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.ICRTkV -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.IEYy9E -rw------- 1 root root 391 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.IL0NR7 -rw------- 1 root root 199 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.IN2sr5 -rw------- 1 root root 1.1K Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.IQIXoq -rw------- 1 root root 171 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.JlMbdh -rw------- 1 root root 213 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.LPdSOd -rw------- 1 root root 128 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.McGZaQ -rw------- 1 root root 176 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.MiPDev -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.NFDtC8 -rw------- 1 root root 648 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.NQXReR -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.NU3mu7 -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.Nla6pk -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.O8yOt0 -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.OXNnzE -rw------- 1 root root 1011 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.OdRCaZ -rw------- 1 root root 385 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.OiLMv3 -rw------- 1 root root 77 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.PQNnsb -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.PyxMpE -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.Q7DE2q -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.QJqOpJ -rw------- 1 root root 221 Feb 12 16:17 rpm-tmp.RVlfPO -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.RvG30k -rw------- 1 root root 170 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.SXdLLB -rw------- 1 root root 157 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.Tegcec -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.UNJbqP -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.Uclk9f -rw------- 1 root root 162 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.V23nRN -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.VJpyV4 -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.WQNOS6 -rw------- 1 root root 250 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.X3VQGe -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.XI8Z1A -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.XbniHV -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.Xgzzgy -rw------- 1 root root 226 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.ZXspiB -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.acZFfN -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.b9Eo2u -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.bVBv3V -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.cBtKPr -rw------- 1 root root 407 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.cpwVxQ -rw------- 1 root root 177 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.deXqRQ -rw------- 1 root root 473 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.eXKNa3 -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.ebkgdy -rw------- 1 root root 282 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.enKoqa -rw------- 1 root root 281 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.fLnsV6 -rw------- 1 root root 253 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.fPOAik -rw------- 1 root root 311 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.gCXEmA -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.gYLWMw -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.gZ1D4y -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.gtA1mi -rw------- 1 root root 1.1K Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.iKT3wZ -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.iN6MBe -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.ihSqrS -rw------- 1 root root 58 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.jhJnuB -rw------- 1 root root 216 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.jvC295 -rw------- 1 root root 177 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.kdqEDK -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.lAtzd4 -rw------- 1 root root 37 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.m7XoST -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.mAhNxZ -rw------- 1 root root 342 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.mPnikk -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.mgzu25 -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.miR5wj -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.nxZMrN -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.oLlJv7 -rw------- 1 root root 233 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.oNq5XM -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.oPBK7r -rw------- 1 root root 1.2K Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.oo69iv -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.pulrxy -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.qLSMkH -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.qYO9x9 -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.r4Xg8m -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.rcapz2 -rw------- 1 root root 249 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.rcyIeK -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.rqjfkL -rw------- 1 root root 213 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.rrSIOM -rw------- 1 root root 177 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.s1tD2u -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.seHiiV -rw------- 1 root root 405 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.soOnqV -rw------- 1 root root 638 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.us1iPc -rw------- 1 root root 194 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.v6Ntka -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.vBybPw -rw------- 1 root root 1.5K Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.vOuhhF -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.vPTUsK -rw------- 1 root root 736 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.vuDMk2 -rw------- 1 root root 176 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.wDzk6a -rw------- 1 root root 176 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.wZbjGw -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.wkfVEx -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.x7BLUX -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.x9ikp0 -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.xN1FUj -rw------- 1 root root 479 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.xk12uC -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.yAFUij -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.ycAdgc -rw------- 1 root root 169 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.ygJPgG -rw------- 1 root root 134 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.zTQTPu

Looks like they were part of the posttrans processing

Do you want a bug report on this ?

Most likely yes. I see the same, oldest rpm* files in /var/tmp are from 2023 Nov 8 ....

-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team

/var/tmp serves a similar purpose like /tmp, but with the difference that it can generally hold bigger files, and hold those longer. Before opening a bug report I would look into how frequently /var/tmp is getting cleared, and if systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer is enabled (should be). With that said you can always do `find /var/tmp -type f -mtime +7 -atime +7 -ctime +7 -exec rm {} \;`, but some services may not like that. -- Br, A.

On Tuesday, February 13th, 2024 at 1:40 PM, Jiri Slaby wrote:

On 13. 02. 24, 3:46, Attila Pinter via openSUSE Factory wrote:

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On Tuesday, February 13th, 2024 at 6:06 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE knurpht@opensuse.org wrote:

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On maandag 12 februari 2024 23:56:18 CET Joe Salmeri wrote:

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Today I updated 3 different TW machines to 20240209 and after the update all 3 machines had left a bunch of files in /var/tmp

-rw------- 1 root root 171 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.01nGYs -rw------- 1 root root 162 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.0F9SKk -rw------- 1 root root 584 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.0HRekP

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-rw------- 1 root root 479 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.xk12uC -rw------- 1 root root 546 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.yAFUij -rw------- 1 root root 166 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.ycAdgc -rw------- 1 root root 169 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.ygJPgG -rw------- 1 root root 134 Feb 12 16:18 rpm-tmp.zTQTPu

Looks like they were part of the posttrans processing

Do you want a bug report on this ?

Most likely yes. I see the same, oldest rpm* files in /var/tmp are from 2023 Nov 8 ....

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/var/tmp serves a similar purpose like /tmp, but with the difference that it can generally hold bigger files, and hold those longer.

$ cat /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/fs-var-tmp.conf d /var/tmp 1777 root root -

It is supposed to be NOT cleaned by default at all.

Wait, since when? O_O This is news to me considering: [1]"Automatic Clean-Up By default, systemd-tmpfiles will apply a concept of ⚠️ “ageing” to all files and directories stored in /tmp/ and /var/tmp/. This means that files that have neither been changed nor read within a specific time frame are automatically removed in regular intervals. (This concept is not new to systemd-tmpfiles, it’s inherited from previous subsystems such as tmpwatch.) By default files in /tmp/ are cleaned up after 10 days, and those in /var/tmp after 30 days." 1: https://systemd.io/TEMPORARY_DIRECTORIES/

I have a plenty of those too. It's worth a bug report.

regards, -- js suse labs

On 13. 02. 24, 8:11, Attila Pinter wrote:

Wait, since when? O_O

Likely since ever…

This is news to me considering:

[1]"Automatic Clean-Up By default, systemd-tmpfiles will apply a concept of ⚠️ “ageing” to all files and directories stored in /tmp/ and /var/tmp/. This means that files that have neither been changed nor read within a specific time frame are automatically removed in regular intervals. (This concept is not new to systemd-tmpfiles, it’s inherited from previous subsystems such as tmpwatch.) By default files in /tmp/ are cleaned up after 10 days, and those in /var/tmp after 30 days."

Those are apparently stupid defaults. See line 1000 of: https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/systemd/system... and line 178 of: https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/Base:System/filesystem/filesyst... regards, -- js suse labs

On 2024-02-13 10:03, Attila Pinter via openSUSE Factory wrote:

On Tuesday, February 13th, 2024 at 2:25 PM, Jiri Slaby wrote:

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On 13. 02. 24, 8:11, Attila Pinter wrote:

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Wait, since when? O_O

Likely since ever…

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This is news to me considering:

[1]"Automatic Clean-Up By default, systemd-tmpfiles will apply a concept of ⚠️ “ageing” to all files and directories stored in /tmp/ and /var/tmp/. This means that files that have neither been changed nor read within a specific time frame are automatically removed in regular intervals. (This concept is not new to systemd-tmpfiles, it’s inherited from previous subsystems such as tmpwatch.) By default files in /tmp/ are cleaned up after 10 days, and those in /var/tmp after 30 days."

Those are apparently stupid defaults.

See line 1000 of: https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/systemd/system...

and line 178 of: https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/Base:System/filesystem/filesyst...

Wondering if there is any other reason why the default is changed in openSUSE other than "because it is stupid"? ^-^

There were many complaints from users, at changing the default behaviour of SUSE for decades, breaking our things. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)