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Lukas Ocilka

17 Oct 2007 17 Oct '07

11:40

Hi, As you probably know, we've added a new yast2-sshd package that configures the sshd daemon to the openSUSE 10.3. http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=yast2-sshd&distro=openSUSE_103 This module was started as an exemplary YaST module for YaST tutorial http://forgeftp.novell.com/yast/doc/SL10.3/tutorials/t1.html Now it seems the the openSUSE community would like to have it extended. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=333655 ...but isn't that the best way for the community to learn more about YaST, about the powerful features we currently offer? Isn't that great that to community already has all pieces to change YaST to do what they exactly want? That's why I'm writing this mail. I'd like to encourage $you, even if you aren't an experienced developer, don't you want to learn more, don't you want to try it? This is the current SVN of YaST SSHD module: http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/yast/trunk/sshd/ So, please, just try that..., send me a patch..., whatever ;) Thanks & Bye Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, YaST Developer (xn--luk-gla45d) ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o., Lihovarska 1060/12, Praha 9, Czech Republic

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Vahis

17 Oct 17 Oct

17:08

Lukas Ocilka wrote:

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Hi,

As you probably know, we've added a new yast2-sshd package that configures the sshd daemon to the openSUSE 10.3. http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=yast2-sshd&distro=openSUSE_103

This module was started as an exemplary YaST module for YaST tutorial http://forgeftp.novell.com/yast/doc/SL10.3/tutorials/t1.html

Now it seems the the openSUSE community would like to have it extended. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=333655

...but isn't that the best way for the community to learn more about YaST, about the powerful features we currently offer? Isn't that great that to community already has all pieces to change YaST to do what they exactly want?

That's why I'm writing this mail. I'd like to encourage $you, even if you aren't an experienced developer, don't you want to learn more, don't you want to try it?

This is the current SVN of YaST SSHD module: http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/yast/trunk/sshd/

So, please, just try that..., send me a patch..., whatever ;) Thanks & Bye Lukas

I installed the rpm and had a quick look. Could it on top of the current features configure the protocols 1 and or 2 and also configure who can log on, root or no root. -- Vahis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Lukas Ocilka

19:58

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Vahis wrote:

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Could it on top of the current features configure the protocols 1 and or 2 and also configure who can log on, root or no root.

Well, in my opinion, the YaST SSHD module should contain all features that the community needs :) If you feel it is reasonable, go on! ;) ... but of course, "the community" should agree on that ... Lukas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHFml7VSqMdRCqTiwRAuVKAJ9CgrnPL66rKINL6y7Z9KjJCXCaYgCfXYHM AD/xP/TFDXLAZ1e4JOGtImU= =K3s9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Jonathon M. Robison

18 Oct 18 Oct

13:15

Um . . . on the third screen (clicking NEXT twice) I was able to select protocol level 1, 2, or both, as well as the cyphers. Am I misinterpreting what you are asking for here? --Jonathon On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 21:58 +0200, Lukas Ocilka wrote:

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Vahis wrote:

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Could it on top of the current features configure the protocols 1 and or 2 and also configure who can log on, root or no root.

Well, in my opinion, the YaST SSHD module should contain all features that the community needs :) If you feel it is reasonable, go on! ;)

... but of course, "the community" should agree on that ...

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Vahis

14:53

Jonathon M. Robison wrote:

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Um . . . on the third screen (clicking NEXT twice) I was able to select protocol level 1, 2, or both, as well as the cyphers. Am I misinterpreting what you are asking for here?

--Jonathon

On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 21:58 +0200, Lukas Ocilka wrote: Vahis wrote:

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Could it on top of the current features configure the protocols 1 and or 2 and also configure who can log on, root or no root.

I looked too hastily. I saw those afterwards, my bad. It works as it should imho :) P.S. I hope you don't get confused because of the reversed order of questions and answers here (a bit of sarcasm) -- Vahis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Lukas Ocilka

20:38

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Vahis wrote:

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Jonathon M. Robison wrote:

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Um . . . on the third screen (clicking NEXT twice) I was able to select protocol level 1, 2, or both, as well as the cyphers. Am I misinterpreting what you are asking for here?

--Jonathon

On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 21:58 +0200, Lukas Ocilka wrote: Vahis wrote:

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Could it on top of the current features configure the protocols 1 and or 2 and also configure who can log on, root or no root.

I looked too hastily. I saw those afterwards, my bad.

It works as it should imho :)

P.S. I hope you don't get confused because of the reversed order of questions and answers here (a bit of sarcasm)

Well, in my opinion the problem might be that the current YaST module is just not as useful as it could be because users don't see what they can actually configure. They maybe don't understand the current layout, texts, helps ... UI needs polishing, texts too. And actually, there still might be some more features to be added. See (and modify) http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server/Enhancements_WIP L. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHF8RDVSqMdRCqTiwRAju2AJ9Vthy5S/j4tphVQEpj4YlkP3bPqgCeIY1J ID/KJVFo5dXQPY4iv3mWkmI= =Hmus -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Robison, Jonathon (M.)

19 Oct 19 Oct

13:20

Although you may be correct in that it needs polish, don't forget that this is a great step forward in getting CLI config tasks into YaST. Every marathon starts with the first step. Now if I could just get wpa_supplicant configuration into YaST . . . Jonathon M. Robison "There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who know binary, and those who don't" -----Original Message----- From: Lukas Ocilka [mailto:lukas.ocilka@suse.cz] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:38 PM To: Vahis Cc: opensuse-factory Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] YaST2 SSHD Module - Call for help/volunteers -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Vahis wrote:

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Jonathon M. Robison wrote:

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Um . . . on the third screen (clicking NEXT twice) I was able to select protocol level 1, 2, or both, as well as the cyphers. Am I misinterpreting what you are asking for here?

--Jonathon

On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 21:58 +0200, Lukas Ocilka wrote: Vahis wrote:

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Could it on top of the current features configure the protocols 1 and or 2 and also configure who can log on, root or no root.

I looked too hastily. I saw those afterwards, my bad.

It works as it should imho :)

P.S. I hope you don't get confused because of the reversed order of questions and answers here (a bit of sarcasm)

Lukas Ocilka

14:19

Robison, Jonathon (M.) napsal(a):

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Although you may be correct in that it needs polish, don't forget that this is a great step forward in getting CLI config tasks into YaST. Every marathon starts with the first step.

Now if I could just get wpa_supplicant configuration into YaST . . .

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See (and modify) http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server/Enhancements_WIP

I guess, you mean something like this http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Wireless_Network_in_First_Stage_Installation but with YaST UI, right :)? It's actually not that easy as it seems to be for the first sight, there several issues you need to cover, such as the type of authentication, encryption, etc. Hard to say whether it is worth the effort to invest a time into wpa_supplicant configuration when we have other ways to do it: For YaST there is just a sysconfig file for configuring a wireless network and NetworkManager tool seems to do it pretty well automatically. Anyway, your opinion counts! Bye Lukas

Lukas Ocilka

21 Oct 21 Oct

14:04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lukas Ocilka wrote:

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Robison, Jonathon (M.) napsal(a):

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Although you may be correct in that it needs polish, don't forget that this is a great step forward in getting CLI config tasks into YaST. Every marathon starts with the first step.

Now if I could just get wpa_supplicant configuration into YaST . . .

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See (and modify) http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server/Enhancements_WIP

I've filed some real enhancement request at this http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server/Enhancements_WIP wiki page. The current YaST SSHD screenshots can be found here http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server Some of enhancements are quite easy to do even if you don't known any programming language, what they actually need is just to think about the current wording and propose a better-understandable one. Thanks & Bye Lukas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHG1yIVSqMdRCqTiwRAgBzAKCZoAx4Hre8VuxtvGkkxGc/DY/8OwCglDwz seNqny1Q5oN1f1QCMvAKtTA= =HmZe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Lukas Ocilka

23 Oct 23 Oct

15:04

New subject: [yast-devel] Re: [opensuse-factory] YaST2 SSHD Module - Call for help/volunteers

Lukas Ocilka napsal(a):

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I've filed some real enhancement request at this http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server/Enhancements_WIP wiki page.

The current YaST SSHD screenshots can be found here http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server

Some of enhancements are quite easy to do even if you don't known any programming language, what they actually need is just to think about the current wording and propose a better-understandable one.

Hmm, nobody interested in "How should be the current YaST SSHD module enhanced/fixed?" Or do everybody agree to what's written at http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server/Enhancements_WIP? There's not even a single-word-change ;) So, either everyone likes the current yast2-sshd or nobody uses it. In that case, why should we care :)? Thx && Bye Lukas

Bernhard Walle

15:21

New subject: [yast-devel] Re: [opensuse-factory] YaST2 SSHD Module - Call for help/volunteers

* Lukas Ocilka [2007-10-23 17:04]:

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So, either everyone likes the current yast2-sshd or nobody uses it. In that case, why should we care :)?

Maybe nobody who is reading this list uses it. I didn't know that it exist, and vim /etc/ssh/sshd_config is still faster. But I don't say that this module is useless for newbies! But they don't read that list. Thanks, Bernhard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Lukas Ocilka

19:39

New subject: [yast-devel] Re: [opensuse-factory] YaST2 SSHD Module - Call for help/volunteers

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bernhard Walle wrote:

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* Lukas Ocilka [2007-10-23 17:04]:

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So, either everyone likes the current yast2-sshd or nobody uses it. In that case, why should we care :)?

Maybe nobody who is reading this list uses it. I didn't know that it exist, and vim /etc/ssh/sshd_config is still faster. But I don't say that this module is useless for newbies! But they don't read that list.

Ah, good point :) I'll try to do something about it... Thx Lukas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFHHk32VSqMdRCqTiwRAjg4AJ9c7ahknxx/mj2Un6RYMPnXJRP0JgCXUyLi ZU9Uj/ID5UAYuLEU/+TIVw== =8RZM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Richard (MQ)

18:29

New subject: [yast-devel] Re: [opensuse-factory] YaST2 SSHD Module - Call for help/volunteers

Lukas Ocilka wrote:

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I've filed some real enhancement request at this http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server/Enhancements_WIP wiki page. ... So, either everyone likes the current yast2-sshd or nobody uses it. In

Lukas Ocilka napsal(a): that case, why should we care :)?

Lukas, I don't use it because: (a) I didn't know of it until your message and (b) I can't find it in 10.2 or 10.3 (*) - is it only in Factory (which I'm not currently using)? (*) I'd expect SSHD config to be under either "network services" or "security"? Is it hidden on a third level somewhere? Or am I just being a bit thick? I might well use it if I could... -- Cheers Richard (MQ) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Lukas Ocilka

19:53

New subject: [yast-devel] Re: [opensuse-factory] YaST2 SSHD Module - Call for help/volunteers

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Richard (MQ) wrote:

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Lukas Ocilka wrote:

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I've filed some real enhancement request at this http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server/Enhancements_WIP wiki page. ... So, either everyone likes the current yast2-sshd or nobody uses it. In

Lukas Ocilka napsal(a): that case, why should we care :)?

Lukas,

I don't use it because:

(a) I didn't know of it until your message and (b) I can't find it in 10.2 or 10.3 (*) - is it only in Factory (which I'm not currently using)?

Hmm, what about the second DVD :)? or http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=yast2-sshd Repository http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/oss/suse contains yast2-sshd (2.15.3)

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(*) I'd expect SSHD config to be under either "network services" or "security"? Is it hidden on a third level somewhere? Or am I just being a bit thick?

I might well use it if I could...

You can find it under "Network Services" but it needs to be installed ;) We were unfortunately unable to place it on the base DVD1 :( and so it's also not in the base installation pattern. Of course, editing the sysconfig file is still faster if you know where and how to change the configuration. It's job for YaST to make it more user-friendly ;) Lukas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHHlEvVSqMdRCqTiwRAgf6AKCHKXuiF70m2mr0VTZMroEs1VmB+wCdFko2 EoSw1s02nVJw2TagcO7WoiI= =Sjw/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Lukas Ocilka

19 Nov 19 Nov

09:29

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: ...YaST2 SSHD Module - Call for help/volunteers

Lukas Ocilka napsal(a):

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Lukas Ocilka wrote:

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Robison, Jonathon (M.) napsal(a):

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Although you may be correct in that it needs polish, don't forget that this is a great step forward in getting CLI config tasks into YaST. Every marathon starts with the first step.

Now if I could just get wpa_supplicant configuration into YaST . . . See (and modify) http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server/Enhancements_WIP

I've filed some real enhancement request at this http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server/Enhancements_WIP wiki page.

The current YaST SSHD screenshots can be found here http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server

Some of enhancements are quite easy to do even if you don't known any programming language, what they actually need is just to think about the current wording and propose a better-understandable one.

Hi, On Friday evening, I've changed the UI layout of YaST SSHD Configuration Module to use tabs instead of [Back]/[Next] Wizard. Tabs are more intuitive and match the user's needs and expectations better. The current screen~shots can be found here: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_SSHD_Server You'll be able to download the new yast2-sshd package from FACTORY soon. Anyway, the "call for help" still remains :) There are several places that need to be polished, fixed: * Helps (they are some, but they're not helpful at all) * Check-boxes could have some better labels (more understandable) * "Supported Ciphers" feature doesn't work. * And some more ... ;) Anybody interested, please :)? Thx && Bye Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, YaST Developer (xn--luk-gla45d) ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o., Lihovarska 1060/12, Praha 9, Czech Republic

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