I would just like to offer some /criteria/ to consider for choosing a name. 1) Either build on the familiarity of existing names, or make the name completely descriptive, so the name already suggests something about what it is. "Tumbleweed-Stable" is an example of this, as is Slowroll. Whereas something like "Descent" is only meaningful once someone reads about it. 2) Keep to words with positive associations, not negative. "Stable" is a positive and really the actual goal here I think. "Slow" is only a positive from the perspective of "Tumbleweed moves too fast". For a new user "slow" may not sound very positive. (Nor does "sleepy", "stumble", "sloth", etc. This survey has lots of terrible names I wish I could vote /against/.) If not positive, neutral like "roll". 3) Don't create confusion with other distros. For example "Gecko" appears in some of the names in the survey. There is already a GeckoLinux (http://geckolinux.github.io/) which is a distro that is basically an alternate installer and set of customizations of OpenSUSE (both Tumbleweed and Leap). I hope this survey is just a first round to weed down the unweildy list presented there, and there will be a future round or rounds with a smaller list, and ideally, ranked-choice voting. Cheers, Eric . On 9/20/23 13:09, Bernhard M. Wiedemann wrote:
Hi,
I setup a survey to decide if we want to rename Slowroll and to what https://survey.opensuse.org/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=839619
Something like "openSUSE Tumbleweed-Slowroll edition" is nicely descriptive but a bit unwieldy.
My plan is to keep this open for some weeks - e.g. until 2023-10-08
Ciao Bernhard M.
Op woensdag 20 september 2023 20:35:48 CEST schreef Eric Schwarzenbach:
I would just like to offer some criteria to consider for choosing a name.
1) Either build on the familiarity of existing names, or make the name completely descriptive, so the name already suggests something about what it is. "Tumbleweed-Stable" is an example of this, as is Slowroll. Whereas something like "Descent" is only meaningful once someone reads about it.
2) Keep to words with positive associations, not negative. "Stable" is a positive and really the actual goal here I think. "Slow" is only a positive from the perspective of "Tumbleweed moves too fast". For a new user "slow" may not sound very positive. (Nor does "sleepy", "stumble", "sloth", etc. This survey has lots of terrible names I wish I could vote against.) If not positive, neutral like "roll".
3) Don't create confusion with other distros. For example "Gecko" appears in some of the names in the survey. There is already a GeckoLinux (http://geckolinux.github.io/) which is a distro that is basically an alternate installer and set of customizations of OpenSUSE (both Tumbleweed and Leap).
I hope this survey is just a first round to weed down the unweildy list presented there, and there will be a future round or rounds with a smaller list, and ideally, ranked-choice voting.
Cheers, Eric Doesn't "Interval" cover all that ?
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On Wed, 2023-09-20 at 21:05 +0200, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op woensdag 20 september 2023 20:35:48 CEST schreef Eric Schwarzenbach:
I hope this survey is just a first round to weed down the unweildy list presented there, and there will be a future round or rounds with a smaller list, and ideally, ranked-choice voting.
Cheers, Eric
Doesn't "Interval" cover all that ?
"Interval" sounds kind of boring to me. Sounds like math lessons or music theory. I've obviously missed the first round of suggestions, but I would suggest a name for which slow (rolling) motion has positive associations, like "steamroller" or "caterpillar". Martin
On Wed, 2023-09-20 at 21:29 +0200, Martin Wilck wrote:
On Wed, 2023-09-20 at 21:05 +0200, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op woensdag 20 september 2023 20:35:48 CEST schreef Eric Schwarzenbach:
I hope this survey is just a first round to weed down the unweildy list presented there, and there will be a future round or rounds with a smaller list, and ideally, ranked-choice voting.
Cheers, Eric
Doesn't "Interval" cover all that ?
"Interval" sounds kind of boring to me. Sounds like math lessons or music theory.
I've obviously missed the first round of suggestions, but I would suggest a name for which slow (rolling) motion has positive associations, like "steamroller" or "caterpillar".
Not quite as slow-rolling: words from the realm of horse-powered carriages: "chariot", "coldblood", "conestoga", "wheelbarrow", "vardo", "horsewagon", "oxwagon". Martin
On Wednesday 2023-09-20 21:29, Martin Wilck via openSUSE Factory wrote:
I've obviously missed the first round of suggestions, but I would suggest a name for which slow (rolling) motion has positive associations, like "steamroller" or "caterpillar".
Steamroller is a construction device to flatten something with ample force. Especially in video games, it's used to conceptually refer to a practically unstoppable force that nothing shall stand in its way or face devastation and obliteration. So much for positive.. Caterpillar is a manufacturer of steamrollers ;)
On 2023-09-21 03:48, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Wednesday 2023-09-20 21:29, Martin Wilck via openSUSE Factory wrote:
I've obviously missed the first round of suggestions, but I would suggest a name for which slow (rolling) motion has positive associations, like "steamroller" or "caterpillar".
Steamroller is a construction device to flatten something with ample force. Especially in video games, it's used to conceptually refer to a practically unstoppable force that nothing shall stand in its way or face devastation and obliteration. So much for positive..
Caterpillar is a manufacturer of steamrollers ;)
It's also a pipe that might have some negative connotations for some; maybe not for those using it though ;-)
On Thu, 2023-09-21 at 03:48 +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Wednesday 2023-09-20 21:29, Martin Wilck via openSUSE Factory wrote:
I've obviously missed the first round of suggestions, but I would suggest a name for which slow (rolling) motion has positive associations, like "steamroller" or "caterpillar".
Steamroller is a construction device to flatten something with ample force. Especially in video games, it's used to conceptually refer to a practically unstoppable force that nothing shall stand in its way or face devastation and obliteration. So much for positive..
Indeed, I thought "slow but practically unstoppable" was a nice association for this distribution. No offense, but associating "devastation and obliteration" with this term seems somewhat pathological to me, despite "A Fish Called Wanda".
Caterpillar is a manufacturer of steamrollers ;)
Exactly. And a word for a slow-moving (albeit not rolling) animal. Unfortunately I couldn't think of any "slow rolling" things in nature. Whatever, so far these works aren't even eligible for voting, so why argue about this here? Martin
On Mi, Sep 20 2023 at 14:35:48 -04:00:00, Eric Schwarzenbach
I would just like to offer some criteria to consider for choosing a name.
1) Either build on the familiarity of existing names, or make the name completely descriptive, so the name already suggests something about what it is. "Tumbleweed-Stable" is an example of this, as is Slowroll. Whereas something like "Descent" is only meaningful once someone reads about it.
I'm not really sure about using the existing name association. Tumbleweed is already a long name, some of the options are even longer, and with Tumbleweed we do end up with the situation that every mention of it ends up abbreviated to TW, which is not that meaningful to anyone. Using Google, searching for "Tumbleweed Linux" or "Tumbleweed OS" does show results for get.opensuse.org, while anything involving TW ends up with mentions of Twitter instead.
2) Keep to words with positive associations, not negative. "Stable" is a positive and really the actual goal here I think. "Slow" is only a positive from the perspective of "Tumbleweed moves too fast". For a new user "slow" may not sound very positive. (Nor does "sleepy", "stumble", "sloth", etc. This survey has lots of terrible names I wish I could vote against.) If not positive, neutral like "roll".
We did stop using the word stable to describe the release cadence of Leap in the past because we do consider Tumbleweed to be a distro that is stable as well, so I would probably avoid that. Downplaying how good the other options from us are is not a good way to go about it.
3) Don't create confusion with other distros. For example "Gecko" appears in some of the names in the survey. There is already a GeckoLinux (http://geckolinux.github.io/) which is a distro that is basically an alternate installer and set of customizations of OpenSUSE (both Tumbleweed and Leap).
It's openSUSE LCP [Jake] https://lcp.world/
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 3:45:19 PM EDT Jacob Michalskie wrote:
I'm not really sure about using the existing name association. Tumbleweed is already a long name, some of the options are even longer, and with Tumbleweed we do end up with the situation that every mention of it ends up abbreviated to TW, which is not that meaningful to anyone. Using Google, searching for "Tumbleweed Linux" or "Tumbleweed OS" does show results for get.opensuse.org, while anything involving TW ends up with mentions of Twitter instead.
Is why I voted for Drift (so much for anonymous on my account lol). Drift feels more like leap, but drift is slow, like drifting in the wind. I also like that it's one syllable like leap. drift /drift/ verb verb: drift; 3rd person present: drifts; past tense: drifted; past participle: drifted; gerund or present participle: drifting 1. be carried slowly by a current of air or water.
dale via openSUSE Factory composed on 2023-09-20 18:35 (UTC-0400):
Is why I voted for Drift (so much for anonymous on my account lol). Drift feels more like leap, but drift is slow, like drifting in the wind. I also like that it's one syllable like leap.
drift /drift/ verb verb: drift; 3rd person present: drifts; past tense: drifted; past participle: drifted; gerund or present participle: drifting
1. be carried slowly by a current of air or water.
It has other meanings too, like the first that comes to my mind: going off course. Without direction also comes to mind. I don't recall steadyroll in the list, causing same mouthfull as TW. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
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