[opensuse-factory] Can not install Beta 3, with more than 16 partitons (pata)

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Carlos E. R.

9 Sep 2007 9 Sep '07

17:18

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-08-24 at 14:41 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote (in opensuse@opensuse.org):

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"Carlos E. R." <> writes:

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The Thursday 2007-08-23 at 22:34 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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We now use libata for IDE drives which is a SCSI based library.

Is there any hope of increasing the 16 partition limit some time in the future?

No - but we added a workaround for this. If you have more than 16 partitions, just give it a try!

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Alternatively, will the ata support remain for ever, with maintenance?

I guess for 10.4, we will remove it.

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I have disks with 20 partitions. I suspect I'm not the only one using more than 16 partitions.

So, please test whether it our workaround makes you happy ;-)

So, I tried Beta 3. I downloaded the dvd, which took two whole days. I boot the dvd. It asks for my language (US), but not for the keyboard (ES), which is a nuisance. It searches the partitions, sees there are disks with more than 16 partitions, and pops a large warning, recommending to reboot the install with kernel option "hwprobe=-modules.pata". So I do. (Typing symbols like "=-" in a non US keyboard is a nuisance. When will grub support different keyboard layouts?) When I reach the point of installation (when it tries the network in order to add online repos), it pops a window requesting "insert opensuse 10.3 CD1", "continue/cancel". I'm using DVD! Why does it ask for the CD1? Anyway, continue doesn't work (it asks again for CD1), and cancel aborts the install. What now? Andreas: is that the workaround you wanted me to test? It doesn't work at all :-( More. If I type "mount" in one of the consoles, it yields nothing. Not even the root filesystem shows! Why? It seems to want to mount the dvd in /var/adm/mount. There is nothing there. I mount it manually, try "continue". It still doesn't see the DVD. So I ask here for procedure. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG5A7ltTMYHG2NR9URAh7qAJ4z67owGyW+cBMMkokCw5EWwpi/mQCfdEBq 8c1o+4nZMVdVnq/Y8f0GSUE= =Ccth -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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Andreas Jaeger

9 Sep 9 Sep

17:39

"Carlos E. R." writes:

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[...] I downloaded the dvd, which took two whole days. I boot the dvd. It asks for my language (US), but not for the keyboard (ES), which is a nuisance.

You can change it in the "proposal" screen. If you would have choosen ES as language, you would have received automatically a spanish keyboard as well.

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It searches the partitions, sees there are disks with more than 16 partitions, and pops a large warning, recommending to reboot the install with kernel option "hwprobe=-modules.pata".

That should not happen. Please file a major bug in bugzilla against "Installation"

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So I do.

(Typing symbols like "=-" in a non US keyboard is a nuisance. When will grub support different keyboard layouts?)

When I reach the point of installation (when it tries the network in order to add online repos), it pops a window requesting "insert opensuse 10.3 CD1", "continue/cancel".

I'm using DVD! Why does it ask for the CD1?

Anyway, continue doesn't work (it asks again for CD1), and cancel aborts the install. What now?

That's strange :-( Do you have a SATA CDrom?

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Andreas: is that the workaround you wanted me to test? It doesn't work at all :-(

You shouldn't have received the first message at all :-(. Thanks for testing.

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More. If I type "mount" in one of the consoles, it yields nothing. Not even the root filesystem shows! Why?

It seems to want to mount the dvd in /var/adm/mount. There is nothing there. I mount it manually, try "continue". It still doesn't see the DVD.

So I ask here for procedure.

Thanks, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform/openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Carlos E. R.

18:00

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-09-09 at 17:39 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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"Carlos E. R." <> writes:

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[...] I downloaded the dvd, which took two whole days. I boot the dvd. It asks for my language (US), but not for the keyboard (ES), which is a nuisance.

You can change it in the "proposal" screen. If you would have choosen ES as language, you would have received automatically a spanish keyboard as well.

Yes, the keyboard can be changed, but much later. What I mean is that it should be able to change it right at the start, so that the manual commands I have to type in the console during testing are not a nuisance.

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It searches the partitions, sees there are disks with more than 16 partitions, and pops a large warning, recommending to reboot the install with kernel option "hwprobe=-modules.pata".

That should not happen. Please file a major bug in bugzilla against "Installation"

Ok, will do.

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Anyway, continue doesn't work (it asks again for CD1), and cancel aborts the install. What now?

That's strange :-( Do you have a SATA CDrom?

Not at all. I have hard disks hda, b and d, and dvd in hdc, all PATA. No SATA in the mobo at all. I had my external usb backup HD connected and powered at the time, though.

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Andreas: is that the workaround you wanted me to test? It doesn't work at all :-(

You shouldn't have received the first message at all :-(. Thanks for testing.

No workaround? I'll have to wait till Beta 4, then. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG5BiqtTMYHG2NR9URAmCjAJ9AO3kMhwjSMVHAtuvU8jit3Xt5HwCeIfza pWlAFglKK6llNYj5LJPenj4= =6FcX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

22:47

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-09-09 at 18:00 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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That should not happen. Please file a major bug in bugzilla against "Installation"

Ok, will do.

I did as Bug #309070. But now I see it was already reported in comment #11 of Bug #305095, which reports the same problem as me: the partition problem and the CD not found error. Both are related. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG5Fv0tTMYHG2NR9URAt1jAKCJstcJzdIhC2l4WET8k0ZPdSMaiwCfe3mn lVfkKods7IYpeNAwIz6sPNA= =Hnbw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

19:46

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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I downloaded the dvd, which took two whole days. I boot the dvd. It asks for my language (US), but not for the keyboard (ES), which is a nuisance.

You can change it in the "proposal" screen. If you would have choosen ES as language, you would have received automatically a spanish keyboard as well.

Just as a comment - I think the assumption made here is perfectly alright. I usually go with country=CH, but our keyboards vary quite bit - Swiss, UK English, US English, even a Danish one. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/ - your spam is our business. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

23:06

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Keyboard/language configuration during install [Was: Can not install Beta 3, with more than 16 partitons (pata)]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-09-09 at 19:46 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:

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Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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It asks for my language (US), but not for the keyboard (ES), which is a nuisance.

You can change it in the "proposal" screen. If you would have choosen ES as language, you would have received automatically a spanish keyboard as well.

Just as a comment - I think the assumption made here is perfectly alright. I usually go with country=CH, but our keyboards vary quite bit - Swiss, UK English, US English, even a Danish one.

The problem here is that the keyboard can only be changed during the proposal, and that is too late. It should be possible to select both language and keyboard (different if needed) at the same time, right at the start. The right keyboard is necessary to easily type commands needed for testing in the console during the installation, even before the proposal. Furthermore, the keyboard should be selectable right at the grub screen, as one option more. Sometimes we need to type options in that screen, and we have to test all keys till we find where the /-= symbols are. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG5GA6tTMYHG2NR9URAnS7AJ4wajxEhG+3njh1Fg0vihPIJdxGXwCeMWc1 YcTppqFtbJeLKCfKBylcF08= =vo1T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

10 Sep 10 Sep

13:42

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-09-09 at 17:39 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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It searches the partitions, sees there are disks with more than 16 partitions, and pops a large warning, recommending to reboot the install with kernel option "hwprobe=-modules.pata".

That should not happen. Please file a major bug in bugzilla against "Installation"

I did, and the bug is rejected as invalid: ] --- Comment #3 from Thomas Fehr 2007-09-10 05:10:35 MST --- ] This is normal when you have a IDE disk with more than 15 partitions. ] ] The detection is not automatic. You need to reboot and add the line as ] suggested to you boot options. What now? :-/ Those boot options do not work, either. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG5S2TtTMYHG2NR9URAs0fAJ9jmQWAlVKsMYKnCG7nVkKRcHeOpACaA4ox 0AQrVGH7jeK72ZlcuKryX/4= =VjYI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Andreas Jaeger

14:17

"Carlos E. R." writes:

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The Sunday 2007-09-09 at 17:39 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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It searches the partitions, sees there are disks with more than 16 partitions, and pops a large warning, recommending to reboot the install with kernel option "hwprobe=-modules.pata".

That should not happen. Please file a major bug in bugzilla against "Installation"

I did, and the bug is rejected as invalid:

] --- Comment #3 from Thomas Fehr 2007-09-10 05:10:35 MST --- ] This is normal when you have a IDE disk with more than 15 partitions. ] ] The detection is not automatic. You need to reboot and add the line as ] suggested to you boot options.

Sorry :-(

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What now? :-/

Those boot options do not work, either.

We're looking into these bugs now, thanks for your testing! Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Juan Erbes

9 Sep 9 Sep

23:52

2007/9/9, Carlos E. R. :

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The Friday 2007-08-24 at 14:41 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote (in opensuse@opensuse.org):

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"Carlos E. R." <> writes:

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The Thursday 2007-08-23 at 22:34 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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We now use libata for IDE drives which is a SCSI based library.

Is there any hope of increasing the 16 partition limit some time in the future?

No - but we added a workaround for this. If you have more than 16 partitions, just give it a try!

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Alternatively, will the ata support remain for ever, with maintenance?

I guess for 10.4, we will remove it.

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I have disks with 20 partitions. I suspect I'm not the only one using more than 16 partitions.

So, please test whether it our workaround makes you happy ;-)

So, I tried Beta 3.

I downloaded the dvd, which took two whole days. I boot the dvd. It asks for my language (US), but not for the keyboard (ES), which is a nuisance. It searches the partitions, sees there are disks with more than 16 partitions, and pops a large warning, recommending to reboot the install with kernel option "hwprobe=-modules.pata".

Do'nt be misery, buy a new hard disk!

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When I reach the point of installation (when it tries the network in order to add online repos), it pops a window requesting "insert opensuse 10.3 CD1", "continue/cancel".

I'm using DVD! Why does it ask for the CD1?

Anyway, continue doesn't work (it asks again for CD1), and cancel aborts the install. What now?

You tryied to load in the command line from the first install screen with "insmod=ide-generic"? What chipset has Your mobo? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

10 Sep 10 Sep

01:37

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-09-09 at 18:52 -0300, Juan Erbes wrote:

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I downloaded the dvd, which took two whole days. I boot the dvd. It asks for my language (US), but not for the keyboard (ES), which is a nuisance. It searches the partitions, sees there are disks with more than 16 partitions, and pops a large warning, recommending to reboot the install with kernel option "hwprobe=-modules.pata".

Do'nt be misery, buy a new hard disk!

What for? Actually, it is a new disk, less than a year old. But PATA, of course. Notice that new disks are bigger than old disks, and will possibly have more partitions. Some people have reported using more than 40 partitions, and I understand they are using SATA in emulated PATA mode precisely because they use lots of partitions.

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When I reach the point of installation (when it tries the network in order to add online repos), it pops a window requesting "insert opensuse 10.3 CD1", "continue/cancel".

I'm using DVD! Why does it ask for the CD1?

Anyway, continue doesn't work (it asks again for CD1), and cancel aborts the install. What now?

You tryied to load in the command line from the first install screen with "insmod=ide-generic"?

Why should I? :-? The message box tells me to use "hwprobe=-modules.pata", nothing more. I can access the cdrom if I mount it manually and search its contents. It is Yast who says it can't. There is no need to insmod anything.

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What chipset has Your mobo?

I don't remember. The mobo is MSI circa 2001. That's not related, I'm not the only one having the exact same problem, according to bugzilla. Check #218122 and #305095, for instance. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG5IPNtTMYHG2NR9URAjlqAJ9MBe/kEtZ9d4YB6AhhIx3zN0ruVgCfY6w4 5uRYalh5uNgEKicgT4vdLDY= =lKZa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Juan Erbes

11 Sep 11 Sep

03:02

2007/9/9, Carlos E. R. :

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The Sunday 2007-09-09 at 18:52 -0300, Juan Erbes wrote:

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I downloaded the dvd, which took two whole days. I boot the dvd. It asks for my language (US), but not for the keyboard (ES), which is a nuisance. It searches the partitions, sees there are disks with more than 16 partitions, and pops a large warning, recommending to reboot the install with kernel option "hwprobe=-modules.pata".

Do'nt be misery, buy a new hard disk!

What for?

Actually, it is a new disk, less than a year old. But PATA, of course.

The disk can be pata, but if the hard disk controller has 6 years old (tending to obsolete), I mean it is ide type, then the conflict betwen ide/pata.

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Notice that new disks are bigger than old disks, and will possibly have more partitions. Some people have reported using more than 40 partitions, and I understand they are using SATA in emulated PATA mode precisely because they use lots of partitions.

In my computer, it has 4 modes: 2 for raid mode. 1 ide native emulation 1 ahci If I set it to "ide native", the systems ignores it and asumes ahci.

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I can access the cdrom if I mount it manually and search its contents. It is Yast who says it can't. There is no need to insmod anything.

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What chipset has Your mobo?

I don't remember. The mobo is MSI circa 2001. That's not related, I'm not the only one having the exact same problem, according to bugzilla. Check #218122 and #305095, for instance.

Its related the chipset, because it can be a buggy version, or it can be obsolete, and is no more supported (as You said circa 2001). Regards --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

04:20

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-09-10 at 22:02 -0300, Juan Erbes wrote:

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Its related the chipset, because it can be a buggy version, or it can be obsolete, and is no more supported (as You said circa 2001).

No, it is not. The developers reading the bugzilla report determined it is a libzypp problem. It is not a hardware problem, as 10.2 works perfectly, and several people reported the same problem. I can mount manually any of the partitions or the dvd from inside the installer, so the hardware is supported. It is a software problem introduced by modifications in the kernel. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG5ftxtTMYHG2NR9URAridAJ0blv9omfNXJzNx/DW+PE+P/JH5YwCffd78 q64asSoP5l70NBv1PclYsxI= =Pbh4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Can not install Beta 3, with more than 16 partitons (pata)

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