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Donn Washburn

13 Aug 2009 13 Aug '09

22:37

Hey Group; What is this defective version of Gnome "Do 0.8.2" showing up on this KDE4 openSuSE 11.2 ver 5. It is a broken app that pops up every time I boot up KDE. Running runlevel 3 (not 5) I see an error showing that "Do" whats libgnome-desktop.so-7 and openSuSE 11.2 rev 5 has so.11. This is a DVD load of 11.2 rev 5 without any updates or dup. Short of remove it how do I kill it. Its right click buttons don't work. Preference fails to open and "About Do" locks up. -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email:" n5xwb@comcast.net " Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : " n5xwb@arrl.net " VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador " http://counter.li.org " #279316 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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Pavol Rusnak

13 Aug 13 Aug

22:41

Donn Washburn wrote:

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Hey Group;

What is this defective version of Gnome "Do 0.8.2" showing up on this KDE4 openSuSE 11.2 ver 5. It is a broken app that pops up every time I boot up KDE. Running runlevel 3 (not 5) I see an error showing that "Do" whats libgnome-desktop.so-7 and openSuSE 11.2 rev 5 has so.11.

This is a DVD load of 11.2 rev 5 without any updates or dup.

Short of remove it how do I kill it. Its right click buttons don't work. Preference fails to open and "About Do" locks up.

GNOME Do is a GNOME application and it shouldn't be installed when installing KDE (or at least should not be started when starting KDE). -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o openSUSE Community Multiplier Team Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9, CR prusnak[at]suse.cz http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

22:55

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2009-08-14 at 00:41 +0200, Pavol Rusnak wrote:

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Donn Washburn wrote:

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Hey Group;

What is this defective version of Gnome "Do 0.8.2" showing up on this KDE4 openSuSE 11.2 ver 5. It is a broken app that pops up every time I boot up KDE. Running runlevel 3 (not 5) I see an error showing that ·································XXXXXXXXXXX "Do" whats libgnome-desktop.so-7 and openSuSE 11.2 rev 5 has so.11.

This is a DVD load of 11.2 rev 5 without any updates or dup.

Short of remove it how do I kill it. Its right click buttons don't work. Preference fails to open and "About Do" locks up.

GNOME Do is a GNOME application and it shouldn't be installed when installing KDE (or at least should not be started when starting KDE).

On runlevel _3_ it should not start, regardless of gnome and/or kde been installed. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkqEmf4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XP0gCgl1ImOQXV85rYuiBgAIm9zsCf h4gAoJaKuWeinbBXUihi633w5zr37aSJ =Pg8q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Vincent Untz

14 Aug 14 Aug

00:38

Le vendredi 14 août 2009, à 00:55 +0200, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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On Friday, 2009-08-14 at 00:41 +0200, Pavol Rusnak wrote:

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Donn Washburn wrote:

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Hey Group;

What is this defective version of Gnome "Do 0.8.2" showing up on this KDE4 openSuSE 11.2 ver 5. It is a broken app that pops up every time I boot up KDE. Running runlevel 3 (not 5) I see an error showing that ·································XXXXXXXXXXX "Do" whats libgnome-desktop.so-7 and openSuSE 11.2 rev 5 has so.11.

This is a DVD load of 11.2 rev 5 without any updates or dup.

Short of remove it how do I kill it. Its right click buttons don't work. Preference fails to open and "About Do" locks up.

GNOME Do is a GNOME application and it shouldn't be installed when installing KDE (or at least should not be started when starting KDE).

On runlevel _3_ it should not start, regardless of gnome and/or kde been installed.

If you start GNOME or KDE or XFCE or whatever, then at the beginning of your session, all the applications that are set to autostart will autostart. The runlevel is irrelevant there. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

10:14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2009-08-14 at 02:38 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Le vendredi 14 août 2009, à 00:55 +0200, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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On Friday, 2009-08-14 at 00:41 +0200, Pavol Rusnak wrote:

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Donn Washburn wrote:

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Hey Group;

What is this defective version of Gnome "Do 0.8.2" showing up on this KDE4 openSuSE 11.2 ver 5. It is a broken app that pops up every time I boot up KDE. Running runlevel 3 (not 5) I see an error showing that ·································XXXXXXXXXXX "Do" whats libgnome-desktop.so-7 and openSuSE 11.2 rev 5 has so.11.

This is a DVD load of 11.2 rev 5 without any updates or dup.

Short of remove it how do I kill it. Its right click buttons don't work. Preference fails to open and "About Do" locks up.

GNOME Do is a GNOME application and it shouldn't be installed when installing KDE (or at least should not be started when starting KDE).

On runlevel _3_ it should not start, regardless of gnome and/or kde been installed.

If you start GNOME or KDE or XFCE or whatever, then at the beginning of your session, all the applications that are set to autostart will autostart. The runlevel is irrelevant there.

- From the original report it is not clear to me if the error message is produced before startx. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkqFOQEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9W0aACfdCV9X5aIlhpMIEJ7LZSCD41N ZqgAn3RGF1y67zeRXQAlyf4fdVp5MmdZ =731x -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dominique Leuenberger

09:41

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On 8/14/2009 at 0:41, Pavol Rusnak wrote: Donn Washburn wrote: Hey Group;

What is this defective version of Gnome "Do 0.8.2" showing up on this KDE4 openSuSE 11.2 ver 5. It is a broken app that pops up every time I boot up KDE. Running runlevel 3 (not 5) I see an error showing that "Do" whats libgnome-desktop.so-7 and openSuSE 11.2 rev 5 has so.11.

This is a DVD load of 11.2 rev 5 without any updates or dup.

Short of remove it how do I kill it. Its right click buttons don't work. Preference fails to open and "About Do" locks up.

GNOME Do is a GNOME application and it shouldn't be installed when installing KDE (or at least should not be started when starting KDE).

I just created a submitreq against GNOME:Factory ( 17762 ) that patches the .desktop file to show gnome-do only in a gnome session. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Vincent Untz

00:39

Le jeudi 13 août 2009, à 17:37 -0500, Donn Washburn a écrit :

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Hey Group;

What is this defective version of Gnome "Do 0.8.2" showing up on this KDE4 openSuSE 11.2 ver 5. It is a broken app that pops up every time I boot up KDE. Running runlevel 3 (not 5) I see an error showing that "Do" whats libgnome-desktop.so-7 and openSuSE 11.2 rev 5 has so.11.

This is a DVD load of 11.2 rev 5 without any updates or dup.

Short of remove it how do I kill it. Its right click buttons don't work. Preference fails to open and "About Do" locks up.

Just remove it from the list of autostarted applications. No idea how to do that in KDE. But as Pavol pointed out, it shouldn't get installed for KDE. Not sure what's going on there. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Wolfgang Rosenauer

06:42

Am 14.08.2009 02:39, schrieb Vincent Untz:

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Le jeudi 13 août 2009, à 17:37 -0500, Donn Washburn a écrit :

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Hey Group;

What is this defective version of Gnome "Do 0.8.2" showing up on this KDE4 openSuSE 11.2 ver 5. It is a broken app that pops up every time I boot up KDE. Running runlevel 3 (not 5) I see an error showing that "Do" whats libgnome-desktop.so-7 and openSuSE 11.2 rev 5 has so.11.

This is a DVD load of 11.2 rev 5 without any updates or dup.

Short of remove it how do I kill it. Its right click buttons don't work. Preference fails to open and "About Do" locks up.

Just remove it from the list of autostarted applications. No idea how to do that in KDE.

But as Pavol pointed out, it shouldn't get installed for KDE. Not sure what's going on there.

No, the fact that it comes up in KDE is _not_ a pattern or dependency bug for sure! It's a bug somewhere else. You cannot just mark applications as autostart for KDE _and_ Gnome if they are meant for one desktop. You CANNOT expect that one computer only has KDE _or_ Gnome installed. This is not a Windows world, we have a real multiuser system here and every user is free to choose whatever desktop fits. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Vincent Untz

11:26

Le vendredi 14 août 2009, à 08:42 +0200, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :

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No, the fact that it comes up in KDE is _not_ a pattern or dependency bug for sure! It's a bug somewhere else. You cannot just mark applications as autostart for KDE _and_ Gnome if they are meant for one desktop. You CANNOT expect that one computer only has KDE _or_ Gnome installed. This is not a Windows world, we have a real multiuser system here and every user is free to choose whatever desktop fits.

But gnome-do can well be used in KDE too, and is not a GNOME-only application. That's where there's an issue. We clearly have two conflicting use cases here: + someone installs GNOME and KDE, and gnome-do comes because of GNOME. => gnome-do shouldn't be started in KDE + someone installs KDE, and manually installs gnome-do. => gnome-do should be started in KDE For sure we can put a NotShowIn=KDE; if people think it makes sense. That will break the second use case, though... Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Dominique Leuenberger

11:35

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On 8/14/2009 at 13:26, Vincent Untz wrote: Le vendredi 14 août 2009, à 08:42 +0200, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit : No, the fact that it comes up in KDE is _not_ a pattern or dependency bug for sure! It's a bug somewhere else. You cannot just mark applications as autostart for KDE _and_ Gnome if they are meant for one desktop. You CANNOT expect that one computer only has KDE _or_ Gnome installed. This is not a Windows world, we have a real multiuser system here and every user is free to choose whatever desktop fits.

But gnome-do can well be used in KDE too, and is not a GNOME-only application. That's where there's an issue.

We clearly have two conflicting use cases here:

+ someone installs GNOME and KDE, and gnome-do comes because of GNOME. => gnome-do shouldn't be started in KDE

+ someone installs KDE, and manually installs gnome-do. => gnome-do should be started in KDE

What we maybe should do in this case (as gnome-do installs two shortcuts): Patch the auto start from /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-do.desktop to work only on GNOME, but provide the short cut in the menu also on KDE. This way, users can still enable the auto start of the shortcut even on KDE (I assume). opinions? Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Vincent Untz

14:40

Le vendredi 14 août 2009, à 13:26 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :

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Le vendredi 14 août 2009, à 08:42 +0200, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :

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No, the fact that it comes up in KDE is _not_ a pattern or dependency bug for sure! It's a bug somewhere else. You cannot just mark applications as autostart for KDE _and_ Gnome if they are meant for one desktop. You CANNOT expect that one computer only has KDE _or_ Gnome installed. This is not a Windows world, we have a real multiuser system here and every user is free to choose whatever desktop fits.

But gnome-do can well be used in KDE too, and is not a GNOME-only application. That's where there's an issue.

We clearly have two conflicting use cases here:

+ someone installs GNOME and KDE, and gnome-do comes because of GNOME. => gnome-do shouldn't be started in KDE

+ someone installs KDE, and manually installs gnome-do. => gnome-do should be started in KDE

For sure we can put a NotShowIn=KDE; if people think it makes sense. That will break the second use case, though...

So we added a OnlyShowIn=GNOME; for now. But note that upstream doesn't like that and believes that KDE users should be allowed to easily use gnome-do too, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/413575 As I'm not a big fan of carrying a patch forever (hint: and we'll probably not do that), I'd like to hear more about what people think we should do. (fwiw, I fixed the issue of the gnome-do dialog popping up at login) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Hermann J. Beckers

18:12

Am Freitag 14 August 2009 schrieb Vincent Untz:

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... So we added a OnlyShowIn=GNOME; for now. But note that upstream doesn't like that and believes that KDE users should be allowed to easily use gnome-do too, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/413575

As I'm not a big fan of carrying a patch forever (hint: and we'll probably not do that), I'd like to hear more about what people think we should do.

Just what you did ...

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(fwiw, I fixed the issue of the gnome-do dialog popping up at login)

I've installed both KDE and Gnome; gnome-do just shouldn't start automagically when KDE starts. Yours hjb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Steven Harms

18:18

Awhile back there was some work on default starting applications, and default icons for gnome so 3rd parties (branding) could add these. I think I talked with Federico about it a year or so ago, but in the same vein, shouldn't there also be a blacklist autostart setting? Ie some way to have a default list of ignored applications, rather than hard coding specifically for gnome-do? I could see a lot of use for this, ie I am distributing Suse to my users and need a ZLM policy that sets /etc/freedesktop/autostart-blacklist = "kde: gnome-do, gnome: clock-applet, all: compiz" type setting. sharms On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Hermann J. Beckers wrote:

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Am Freitag 14 August 2009 schrieb Vincent Untz:

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... So we added a OnlyShowIn=GNOME; for now. But note that upstream doesn't like that and believes that KDE users should be allowed to easily use gnome-do too, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/413575

As I'm not a big fan of carrying a patch forever (hint: and we'll probably not do that), I'd like to hear more about what people think we should do.

Just what you did ...

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(fwiw, I fixed the issue of the gnome-do dialog popping up at login)

I've installed both KDE and Gnome; gnome-do just shouldn't start automagically when KDE starts.

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Vincent Untz

23:26

Le vendredi 14 août 2009, à 20:12 +0200, Hermann J. Beckers a écrit :

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Am Freitag 14 August 2009 schrieb Vincent Untz:

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... So we added a OnlyShowIn=GNOME; for now. But note that upstream doesn't like that and believes that KDE users should be allowed to easily use gnome-do too, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/413575

As I'm not a big fan of carrying a patch forever (hint: and we'll probably not do that), I'd like to hear more about what people think we should do.

Just what you did ...

As I said, I'm not in favor of keeping a patch forever if upstream doesn't like it. We need a better long-term solution.

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(fwiw, I fixed the issue of the gnome-do dialog popping up at login)

I've installed both KDE and Gnome; gnome-do just shouldn't start automagically when KDE starts.

Again, this is your use case. There's the other use case where some KDE user might have installed gnome-do and wants it to autostart. I'm not even sure we can know which case is more frequent... Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Lubos Lunak

18 Aug 18 Aug

08:27

On Saturday 15 of August 2009, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Le vendredi 14 août 2009, à 20:12 +0200, Hermann J. Beckers a écrit :

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Am Freitag 14 August 2009 schrieb Vincent Untz:

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... So we added a OnlyShowIn=GNOME; for now. But note that upstream doesn't like that and believes that KDE users should be allowed to easily use gnome-do too, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/413575

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I've installed both KDE and Gnome; gnome-do just shouldn't start automagically when KDE starts.

Again, this is your use case. There's the other use case where some KDE user might have installed gnome-do and wants it to autostart. I'm not even sure we can know which case is more frequent...

I currently do not see a simple way to allow both ways. KDE has two autostart locations, the KDE-specific and the XDG one, but they are treated separately. There possibly could be done some hacks to make the KDE path win, but there could be still trouble, e.g. what should happen in KDE when the user only disables it in GNOME? Even thinking about extending the spec, I don't see an easy way. If we e.g. split ~/.local/autostart into ~/.local/austostart-$DESKTOP , then the app won't work if it itself has an option to enable/disable autostart. It would be probably much simpler if autostart just didn't mess things up and this would be up to session managers :-/. -- Lubos Lunak KDE developer -------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org Lihovarska 1060/12 tel: +420 284 084 672 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Gerald Pfeifer

14 Aug 14 Aug

22:01

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Vincent Untz wrote:

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As I'm not a big fan of carrying a patch forever (hint: and we'll probably not do that), I'd like to hear more about what people think we should do.

I'm not sure this is going to make your life easier, but... I was actually surprised to get gnome-do on my GNOME desktop, too. Perhaps it shouldn't be forced upon users by default but prominently highlighted as an option somewhere?

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(fwiw, I fixed the issue of the gnome-do dialog popping up at login)

Ah, so the above won't happen any more? Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer E gp@novell.com SUSE Linux Products GmbH Director Product Management F +49(911)74053-483 HRB 16746 (AG Nuremberg) SUSE Linux Enterprise, openSUSE, Appliances GF Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Vincent Untz

23:21

Le samedi 15 août 2009, à 00:01 +0200, Gerald Pfeifer a écrit :

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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Vincent Untz wrote:

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As I'm not a big fan of carrying a patch forever (hint: and we'll probably not do that), I'd like to hear more about what people think we should do.

I'm not sure this is going to make your life easier, but... I was actually surprised to get gnome-do on my GNOME desktop, too. Perhaps it shouldn't be forced upon users by default but prominently highlighted as an option somewhere?

Depends what you call "getting gnome-do on my desktop" :-) If it's having it being autostarted so that it's available, then it will still be there. If it's it being visible at login, then this is fixed. Of course, there's also the possibility to not install gnome-do by default, but this was a decision that was made a few cycles ago, and we'd probably need a good reason to revisit it. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Gerald Pfeifer

17 Aug 17 Aug

21:22

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Depends what you call "getting gnome-do on my desktop" :-) If it's having it being autostarted so that it's available, then it will still be there. If it's it being visible at login, then this is fixed.

Excellent, then it's fixed. :-) Thanks!

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Of course, there's also the possibility to not install gnome-do by default, but this was a decision that was made a few cycles ago, and we'd probably need a good reason to revisit it.

Installation of advanced features appears fine, I'd say, it's default use we need to balance. Which is far from easy a balance. Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer E gp@novell.com SUSE Linux Products GmbH Director Product Management F +49(911)74053-483 HRB 16746 (AG Nuremberg) SUSE Linux Enterprise, openSUSE, Appliances GF Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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Steven Harms
Vincent Untz
Wolfgang Rosenauer