Essentially every repository available for 13.2 is available for Tumbleweed. Sounds like YaST could be updated to include the same list of community repositories that is present in static releases, but otherwise the normal mechanisms for discovery (ie google, wiki, obs) are still functional. -- Jimmy On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:36 AM, Gour wrote:

On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 17:42 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On the other hand, openSUSE 13.2 (and earlier) have a host of Community repositories available such as Packman, libdvdcss, Games, et al -- but Tumbleweed has zilch (aka zero, nil, nothing).

$ cat /etc/os-release NAME=openSUSE VERSION="Tumbleweed" VERSION_ID="20151113" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE Tumbleweed (20151113) (x86_64)"

$ zypper lr 1 | download.opensuse.org-non-oss | Main Repository (NON-OSS) | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 2 | download.opensuse.org-oss | Main Repository (OSS) | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 3 | download.opensuse.org-tumbleweed | Main Update Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 4 | http-download.opensuse.org-0afe553e | security | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 5 | http-download.opensuse.org-3ea5e6d2 | Office | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 6 | http-download.opensuse.org-4ee77313 | devel:languages:ruby | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 7 | http-download.opensuse.org-6f6f275a | home:XRevan86 | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 8 | http-download.opensuse.org-c6700cf4 | home:darix:apps | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 9 | http-download.opensuse.org-d26680fc | home:XRevan86:non-free | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 10 | packman-essentials | packman-essentials | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 11 | packman-multimedia | packman-essentials | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes

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I make much use of VLC (from videolan.org) to watch digital television on my computer (my wife can watch whatever SHE likes on the big screen in the lounge :-) ) as well as watch DVD films. I also like to play some games included in Pysol. But neither vlc nor Pysol are available in Tumbleweed.

Have you looked at

https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#Packman

Sincerely, Gour

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Dne 23.11.2015 v 08:52 Jimmy Berry napsal(a):

Essentially every repository available for 13.2 is available for Tumbleweed. Sounds like YaST could be updated to include the same list of community repositories that is present in static releases

JFYI: The list of the repositories is not hardcoded in YaST, the openSUSE maintainers should be able to add more repositories. The list of the repositories is actually defined at http://download.opensuse.org/YaST/Repos/_openSUSE_Factory_Default.xml Some technical details: This XML file is actually linked in from http://download.opensuse.org/YaST/Repos/openSUSE_Factory_Servers.xml which is defined at https://github.com/yast/skelcd-control-openSUSE/blob/master/control/control.... which is stored at /etc/YaST2/control.xml in the installed system. So there is a chain of the XML files defined on the server, the only hardcoded part is the entry point stored in the /etc/YaST2/control.xml file. Fixing the repository list does not require any change in YaST and can be done on the server side... -- Ladislav Slezák Appliance department / YaST Developer Lihovarská 1060/12 190 00 Prague 9 / Czech Republic tel: +420 284 028 960 lslezak@suse.com SUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Sri, 2015-11-25 at 17:32 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: Hello,

But being "advised" of this, however, is not something I, or any new user of Tumbleweed, should have to go through and trawl through the web looking for repositories to make a version of an openSUSE distribution functional.

I'm not sure what are you complaining about? Issuing 'opensuse additional repositories' query gives here (as 1st hit) the following page: https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositor ies There are some interesting informations... This is a list of currently existing *third-party repositories*, meaning they're external to openSUSE. These packages are not supported by openSUSE, the packages may not be tested and the repositories can contain beta versions and other bleeding edge packages. * For official repositories (OSS, non-OSS, Update, Update-Non-OSS) and   semi official repositories (including KDE, GNOME and Java repositories)   see Package repositories. * For information on how to add package repositories see Add package   repositories.   * For new Linux and openSUSE users it is recommended to use the 4   default repositories (OSS, Non-OSS, Update, Update-Non-OSS) and   Packman. Later on when you familiarize yourself with package   management you can add more.   * Please, make sure that you actually need a specific repository   instead of blindly adding it. More repositories means more complexity   in software management and needs some experience to avoid problems   and, in extreme cases, system failure. Warning Use it at your own risk." Moreover, there are clean instructions (copy & paste) how to add additional repos, but it's not true that that without Packman openSUSE is not functional...and I was advised even by some openSUSE devs to use http://software.opensuse.org/codecs for Multimedia. See also: https://en.opensuse.org/Package_repositories page. Sincerely, Gour --  Even a man of knowledge acts according to his own nature, for everyone follows the nature he has acquired from the three modes. What can repression accomplish?

Basil Chupin wrote:

And are these instructions available to someone who has just installed Tumbleweed for the very first time and who has never used a Linux distro?

Someone who has never used a Linux distro should most probably not be using Tumbleweed. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 25 November 2015 at 10:46, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 25/11/15 20:28, Per Jessen wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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And are these instructions available to someone who has just installed Tumbleweed for the very first time and who has never used a Linux distro?

Someone who has never used a Linux distro should most probably not be using Tumbleweed.

Aww, don't spoil the argument! :-D .

When you go to the openSUSE site to download the latest and bestest openSUSE creations you are given the choice of downloading Leap (of Faith) or Tumbleweed-

https://www.opensuse.org/

There both are in full 'technicolour' glory: Download, install and enjoy with the URL announcing:

"The makers' choice for sysadmins, developers and desktop users."

Nothing against this at all on my part except that if one goes around claiming greatness for one system then one must give the other the same greatness and functionality.

BC

Basil, do you actually have a question related to the development of either openSUSE Tumbleweed or Leap, or are you just using this thread as a chance to generate an exceptional amount of noise? You got the answer about the YaST repository list from Bruno 2 days ago. He explained how, why, and when, you can stop now. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 25/11/15 20:53, Richard Brown wrote:

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On 25 November 2015 at 10:46, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 25/11/15 20:28, Per Jessen wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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And are these instructions available to someone who has just installed Tumbleweed for the very first time and who has never used a Linux distro?

Someone who has never used a Linux distro should most probably not be using Tumbleweed.

Aww, don't spoil the argument! :-D .

When you go to the openSUSE site to download the latest and bestest openSUSE creations you are given the choice of downloading Leap (of Faith) or Tumbleweed-

https://www.opensuse.org/

There both are in full 'technicolour' glory: Download, install and enjoy with the URL announcing:

"The makers' choice for sysadmins, developers and desktop users."

Nothing against this at all on my part except that if one goes around claiming greatness for one system then one must give the other the same greatness and functionality.

BC

Basil, do you actually have a question related to the development of either openSUSE Tumbleweed or Leap, or are you just using this thread as a chance to generate an exceptional amount of noise?

You got the answer about the YaST repository list from Bruno 2 days ago. He explained how, why, and when, you can stop now.

If you have read my my post and understood what I was asking then you would know that my questions have not been answered.

Bruno answered one part of my question but so far -- including you -- have not answered the other part/s.

BC I don't know what you do the rest of the day, but next to my job, my family,

Op donderdag 26 november 2015 00:25:55 schreef Basil Chupin: the things I do in the community etc, I don't have the time to read the load of posts you're dropping here. Also, from your replies I read that none of us has been capable to pick up the proper questions asked. My 2 cents: - if you took 10% of the time spent on your posts, you'd have answers to most, if not all of these questions. - think about how to ask questions. - -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht Official openSUSE Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/25/2015 11:28 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

using Tumbleweed. ............

- just a thought : "What's in a Name" ? : because "Tweed" is known as a quality-woven cloth : - perhaps is will yield benefits when Tumbleweed becomes "Tweed" ? ......... regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 23/11/15 18:59, ianseeks wrote:

On Monday 23 Nov 2015 17:42:43 Basil Chupin wrote:

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This question I have already asked but don't recall what the answer was so am therefore asking again (with an apology if you find it a repetition): will Tumbleweed ever find its place in the sun with its own name in GRUB MENU or will it be forever a number instead of a name (eg, 20151030)? And as an adjunct to this question: will discussions/questions re Tumbleweed forever be consigned to the FACTORY mail list?

Next question.

I have the latest Tumbleweed installed (or rather TW upgraded to the latest release as of yesterday). Now TW has been going for quite some time and is not "a new kid on the block" but the only repositories it has to its name showing in YaST are:

* download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed

* download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss

* download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss

and when you go and try and ADD repositories the only COMMUNITY repositories available are:

* Main Repository (Sources)

* Main Repository (DEBUG)

On the other hand, openSUSE 13.2 (and earlier) have a host of Community repositories available such as Packman, libdvdcss, Games, et al -- but Tumbleweed has zilch (aka zero, nil, nothing).

I make much use of VLC (from videolan.org) to watch digital television on my computer (my wife can watch whatever SHE likes on the big screen in the lounge :-) ) as well as watch DVD films. I also like to play some games included in Pysol. But neither vlc nor Pysol are available in

...

Tumbleweed. I've got these in my list, is this what you mean?

No, this is not what I mean :-) .

http://download.videolan.org/pub/vlc/SuSE/Tumbleweed/ http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/

Where, and how, did you get this list of repos? They are not listed in YaST's (for Tumbleweed) Community Repositories. My installation of pure, unadulterated, untouched by human hands, Tumbleweed shows these as the only repositories available for Tumbleweed -- output from the command "zypper lr": # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh --+-------------------------------------+----------------------------+---------+-----------+-------- 1 | download.opensuse.org-non-oss | Main Repository (NON-OSS) | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 2 | download.opensuse.org-oss | Main Repository (OSS) | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 3 | download.opensuse.org-tumbleweed | Main Update Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 4 | http-download.videolan.org-1be9f8dc | SuSE | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 5 | openSUSE-20151030-0 | openSUSE-20151030-0 | No | ---- | No 6 | repo-debug | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Debug | No | ---- | Yes 7 | repo-source | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Source | No | ---- | Yes

but i think this one needs updating from factory to tumbleweed http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Frameworks5/openSUSE_Factory

Why?

...

The question therefore is: why is Tumbleweed so bereft of Community repositories when they are, and have been for years, available in versions of openSUSE?

The blurb about Tumbleweed in the wiki (or whatever) extols Tumbleweed as the "bleeding edge" of openSUSE. But this would appear to be an overstatement when one cannot play all the games available or view DVDs or TV when the means to do so are available in the "plain Jane" versions of openSUSE.

(And before you jump in Patrick with your comment I will preempt it by stating that that is not the point -- the repos should be THERE, showing in YaST, so that first time users of Tumbleweed can access them instead of having to jump on one leg at midnight while holding the innards of a cockerel in their left hand while trying to type a post to Factory asking about missing repositories with their right hand [reverse, of course, for left-handed people].)

BC

BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.0-17 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 25/11/15 18:46, ianseeks wrote:

On Wednesday 25 Nov 2015 18:16:07 Basil Chupin wrote:

...

On 23/11/15 18:59, ianseeks wrote:

...

On Monday 23 Nov 2015 17:42:43 Basil Chupin wrote:

...

This question I have already asked but don't recall what the answer was so am therefore asking again (with an apology if you find it a repetition): will Tumbleweed ever find its place in the sun with its own name in GRUB MENU or will it be forever a number instead of a name (eg, 20151030)? And as an adjunct to this question: will discussions/questions re Tumbleweed forever be consigned to the FACTORY mail list?

Next question.

I have the latest Tumbleweed installed (or rather TW upgraded to the latest release as of yesterday). Now TW has been going for quite some time and is not "a new kid on the block" but the only repositories it has to its name showing in YaST are:

* download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed

* download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss

* download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss

and when you go and try and ADD repositories the only COMMUNITY repositories available are:

* Main Repository (Sources)

* Main Repository (DEBUG)

On the other hand, openSUSE 13.2 (and earlier) have a host of Community repositories available such as Packman, libdvdcss, Games, et al -- but Tumbleweed has zilch (aka zero, nil, nothing).

I make much use of VLC (from videolan.org) to watch digital television on my computer (my wife can watch whatever SHE likes on the big screen in the lounge :-) ) as well as watch DVD films. I also like to play some games included in Pysol. But neither vlc nor Pysol are available in

...

Tumbleweed. I've got these in my list, is this what you mean? No, this is not what I mean :-) . oh ok.

:-)

...

Where, and how, did you get this list of repos? They are not listed in YaST's (for Tumbleweed) Community Repositories. i think i started at the openSUSE web page that list additional repos outside

http://download.videolan.org/pub/vlc/SuSE/Tumbleweed/ http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ their control. i also went to http://download.opensuse.org/repositories in konqueror and traversed up and down the directories.

And this is where much goodly-doock and BS comes into play. And you must know what I mean. A lot of "wink, wink, nudge, nudge, you know what I mean?" BS, right? [pruned] BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.0-17 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 23/11/15 23:14, ellanios82 wrote:

On 11/23/2015 08:42 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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much use of VLC

TW: have today installed vlc from:

packman essentials

http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packmansuse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/Essentials...

.........

WBR

Thank you for this. But, tell me, how did you arrive at having to install the above for Tumbleweed? Was it intuition or did Patrick appear to you in a vision and whispered, "http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packmansuse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/Essentials..., http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packmansuse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/Essentials..., ......."? :-D . 'Nuff said :-) . The information should be shown in YaST in the Community list of repos. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.0-17 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 25/11/15 18:42, Werner Flamme wrote:

Basil Chupin [25.11.2015 08:26]:

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On 23/11/15 23:14, ellanios82 wrote:

...

On 11/23/2015 08:42 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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much use of VLC TW: have today installed vlc from:

packman essentials

http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packmansuse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/Essentials...

.........

WBR

Thank you for this.

But, tell me, how did you arrive at having to install the above for Tumbleweed? Was it intuition or did Patrick appear to you in a vision and whispered, "http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packmansuse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/Essentials..., http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packmansuse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/Essentials..., ......."? :-D .

'Nuff said :-) . The information should be shown in YaST in the Community list of repos. One could use common sense, if one had...

If I look at a repo URL like http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packman/suse/13.2, my mind tells my fingers to leave the last part of the URL away and try the first part, until .../suse/ that is. I put the remaining URL in the appropriate place of my browser and look at the display of the results. So I discover the proper URL.

BTW, this works with other repos as well :)

That's at least the way I proceed before doing a dist-upgrade: check all URLs whether they are available for my new version or not. If they are, I change the URL, if not, I disable the repo.

If I search for certain software, I always try http://software.opensuse.org first. When the software is available via OBS, I often use the one-click-installation, because the repo stays in my list. In case of VLC, I usually have a look at http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/vlc/ first. I once hat problems with the packman version of VLC, so I rather stay with the "official" repos.

Just my 2¢ Werner

Werner, how many years have you been using openSUSE, or some other Linux distro? Are you someone who has been using Windows or Apple OS and decided to switch to Linux and you - fortunately or otherwise - decided to try Tumbleweed which is (or is it?) an openSUSE distro? Indulge me and let's say that you are a Windows user who wants to try Tumbleweed. You download the DVD iso and install it. Fine. But you are used to viewing movies on DVD discs and so you try to do so. What happens? Zilch. Nothing. Zero. Nada. What to do? On the other hand, you decide -- as a Windows user -- to try Linux and install Ubuntu and want to play a movie on a DVD. What happens? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.0-17 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 24/11/15 04:24, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

On Monday 23 November 2015 17.42:43 Basil Chupin wrote:

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and when you go and try and ADD repositories the only COMMUNITY repositories available are:

* Main Repository (Sources)

* Main Repository (DEBUG)

On the other hand, openSUSE 13.2 (and earlier) have a host of Community repositories available such as Packman, libdvdcss, Games, et al -- but Tumbleweed has zilch (aka zero, nil, nothing).

I make much use of VLC (from videolan.org) to watch digital television on my computer (my wife can watch whatever SHE likes on the big screen in the lounge ) as well as watch DVD films. I also like to play some games included in Pysol. But neither vlc nor Pysol are available in Tumbleweed.

The question therefore is: why is Tumbleweed so bereft of Community repositories when they are, and have been for years, available in versions of openSUSE?

Well this is quite simple to explain in a complex world.

Of course :-) .

What you see in yast2 for Community repository is a call to a completely external website which return a bunch of xml to yast proposing repositories.

Why so complex : don't ask,. it's question of patents trolls and mushroom :-)

Ah, the 'magic mushroom'! Say no more -- I get the picture! :-) 'Trolls', eh? But any Orcs or Elves or Hobbits or Dwarves involved? :-) .

All the work is done by 2 of us, yes only that :-) Leap was the big priority for november

Understood. You are implying that you were instructed that November was a big priority [ie, Leap of Faith] (but instructed by whom? Does this mean that some hierarchy is actaully controlling what happens in a openSUSE distro?). But one must ask what about, going backwards: October, September, August, July, June, May, April, March, February, January, December, November, October, September, August,........?

So yes, a good question about the why. - Laziness come first :-) - Lack of time (this one is hard to fight)

What we can do, I've asked Martin who normally maintain the content if we can do that, and perhaps also change our ability to got easier contribution.

I've just write down a reminder, so expect some news on that point. But trust me, it will not happen before Christmas ;-)

Thanks Bruno for your response, which I see comes from a person with a lot of sense of humour and which I understand and appreciate :-) . But this leaves me with having to ask: which Christmas are you talking about -- Christmas 2015 or 2016 or 2017 or.....? :-D . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.0-17 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org