Re: [opensuse-factory] Agenda for tomorrow's distribution meeting
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 03:48:28PM +0200, Richard Guenther wrote:
This basically boils down to first identifying the dependency sets for
- the install-time dependencies of a minimal install - the build-requirements to build the minimal install system - the build and install-time requirements of the minimal build-root
and so identify the current CORE system. From that prune out things that we do not want in that CORE system (like emacs) by fixing package install and build time dependencies.
Ok, that sounds reasonable. Robert -- Robert Schiele Tel.: +49-621-181-2214 Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:rschiele@uni-mannheim.de "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Robert Schiele wrote:
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 03:48:28PM +0200, Richard Guenther wrote:
This basically boils down to first identifying the dependency sets for - the install-time dependencies of a minimal install - the build-requirements to build the minimal install system - the build and install-time requirements of the minimal build-root
and so identify the current CORE system. From that prune out things that we do not want in that CORE system (like emacs) by fixing package install and build time dependencies.
Do not remove emacs. I use it.
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Boyd Gerber
Boyd Lynn Gerber
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Robert Schiele wrote:
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 03:48:28PM +0200, Richard Guenther wrote:
This basically boils down to first identifying the dependency sets for - the install-time dependencies of a minimal install - the build-requirements to build the minimal install system - the build and install-time requirements of the minimal build-root
and so identify the current CORE system. From that prune out things that we do not want in that CORE system (like emacs) by fixing package install and build time dependencies.
Do not remove emacs. I use it.
Do you need it in the CORE build system? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Boyd Lynn Gerber
writes: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Robert Schiele wrote:
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 03:48:28PM +0200, Richard Guenther wrote:
This basically boils down to first identifying the dependency sets for - the install-time dependencies of a minimal install - the build-requirements to build the minimal install system - the build and install-time requirements of the minimal build-root
and so identify the current CORE system. From that prune out things that we do not want in that CORE system (like emacs) by fixing package install and build time dependencies.
Do not remove emacs. I use it.
Do you need it in the CORE build system?
Maybe I look at core wrong. I feel a core system should have vi and
emacs as the default editors. I do not want to cause a vi/emacs debate.
So they should be in core.
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Boyd Gerber
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 10:20:12AM -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
Maybe I look at core wrong. I feel a core system should have vi and emacs as the default editors. I do not want to cause a vi/emacs debate. So they should be in core.
A core system is not the system you want to have but a system that is a bare minimum that is needed to run the most basic system functionality. Removing any application from the core system does not mean you can no longer use it. Robert -- Robert Schiele Tel.: +49-621-181-2214 Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:rschiele@uni-mannheim.de "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Robert Schiele wrote:
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 10:20:12AM -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
Maybe I look at core wrong. I feel a core system should have vi and emacs as the default editors. I do not want to cause a vi/emacs debate. So they should be in core.
A core system is not the system you want to have but a system that is a bare minimum that is needed to run the most basic system functionality. Removing any application from the core system does not mean you can no longer use it.
Yes, I understand that. But a core function is to edit config files(CLI).
And to do that an editor is required.
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Boyd Gerber
Hello,
* Boyd Lynn Gerber
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Robert Schiele wrote:
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 10:20:12AM -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
Maybe I look at core wrong. I feel a core system should have vi and emacs as the default editors. I do not want to cause a vi/emacs debate. So they should be in core.
A core system is not the system you want to have but a system that is a bare minimum that is needed to run the most basic system functionality. Removing any application from the core system does not mean you can no longer use it.
Yes, I understand that. But a core function is to edit config files(CLI). And to do that an editor is required.
Maybe a small Emacs clone could solve the problem? emacs is too big IMO for a core system. Regards, Bernhard -- Wenn einer im Wahlkampf zu schimpfen hat, dann sind das die Wähler und nicht die Politiker. -- Rainer Barzel
Boyd Lynn Gerber
Do you need it in the CORE build system?
Maybe I look at core wrong. I feel a core system should have vi and emacs as the default editors. I do not want to cause a vi/emacs debate. So they should be in core.
In the context of Richard's suggestion, we speak about the "CORE build system" for automatically building packages and that one does not need an editor at all. The "CORE install" systems needs one - and both emacs and vi should be in it. Hope that solves the confusion here, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Thu 31 Aug 2006 06:43:37 NZST +1200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
In the context of Richard's suggestion, we speak about the "CORE build system" for automatically building packages and that one does not need an editor at all.
True. This will hopefully sort out (ie drop) the vi requirement from buildrequires of SUSE packages.
The "CORE install" systems needs one - and both emacs and vi should be in it.
And joe please, or I'll get upset :)) Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 11:15:27AM +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
On Thu 31 Aug 2006 06:43:37 NZST +1200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
In the context of Richard's suggestion, we speak about the "CORE build system" for automatically building packages and that one does not need an editor at all.
True. This will hopefully sort out (ie drop) the vi requirement from buildrequires of SUSE packages.
10.1 doesn't have expanded BuildRequires anymore. Cheers, Michael. -- Michael Schroeder mls@suse.de main(_){while(_=~getchar())putchar(~_-1/(~(_|32)/13*2-11)*13);} --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Boyd Lynn Gerber a écrit :
Do not remove emacs. I use it. Do you need it in the CORE build system?
emacs _IS_ the core :-)... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Andreas Jaeger
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Bernhard Walle
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Boyd Lynn Gerber
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jdd
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Michael Schroeder
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Robert Schiele
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Volker Kuhlmann