On 31/10/15 00:51, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:

Actually I have tested both the last week (including the GM last night). I had no problems so far.

Best, Angelos

Where IS the GM sitting, please? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.2.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/11/15 16:18, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 01/11/15 16:01, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 31/10/15 00:51, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:

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Actually I have tested both the last week (including the GM last night). I had no problems so far.

Best, Angelos

Where IS the GM sitting, please?

Scratch this - I just read Stephan's post re using zypper dup...... and ugrading right now :-) .

Yeah, right, woo-hoo, yippee!...... Upgraded 'Leap of Faith' RC1 on the T530 using the 'zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change' and ended up with a blank, white screen. Rebooting ended in the same result. Good start. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.2.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2015-11-01 09:08, Basil Chupin wrote:

Yeah, right, woo-hoo, yippee!...... Upgraded 'Leap of Faith' RC1 on the T530 using the 'zypper dup --no-allow-vendor-change' and ended up with a blank, white screen. Rebooting ended in the same result. Good start.

Boot to text mode and check. Proprietary video driver, perhaps? If so, reinstall it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

On 30/10/15 13:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2015-10-30 14:17, Bob Williams wrote:

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What is the recommended way to move from openSUSE 13.2 to Leap 42?

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Change repos and Upgrade/zypper dup or download iso and do a new installation?

Both should work, IMO, but you will be one of the first people to try it in real life ;-)

As always, I would create first a full backup, one good enough to restore your installation from bare bones. If the upgrade fails, you can try to find out why, and try again; or instead install fresh and take whatever files you need from your backup.

Thanks. I might wait a week or two. I would start with a non-critical machine. -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.16.7-7-desktop Distro: openSUSE 13.2 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.14.3 Uptime: 06:00am up 7:55, 3 users, load average: 0.16, 0.05, 0.06

On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 23:27, Johannes Kastl wrote:

Hi all,

Am 30.10.15 schrieb Bob Williams:

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What is the recommended way to move from openSUSE 13.2 to Leap 42?

I would like to ask a similar question:

Has anyone tried to go from 13.1 to Leap without installing 13.2 first ?

Most of my machines are running 13.1, and if it works I would like to skip 13.2, if possible...

Johannes

First: Never ever try a "online distro upgrade" aka "zypper dup" for such a two version step. At best it will seem to work and fail later. Second: Backup FIRST. No Jokes. Any information you need later (user homes, personal files outside $HOME, /etc/*, configs outside /etc) all that on a media that will be disconnected and in an other room during upgrade, first update/patch, and first config to personal taste. Third: Get the full install-media, or a lokal mirror of the online rpm tree. Your internet connection will never be good enough for a net-install otherwise, and idle hands during install cause trouble. Fourth: Please, do yourself and all of us a favour and read the release notes before trying to install, there are some gotchas. Fifth: Boot the install media of Leap 42.1, take care to boot with uefi if you want to use it later, its not worth the hassle to work around the issues later, a reboot from falsly selected bios install into wanted uefi install is much faster and safer. In the installer select: "update installed system" (or whatever that is in your language) And work from there, maybe re-format your partitons (attention data loss) Have a nice weekend, - Yamaban. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2015-10-31 01:02, Felix Miata wrote:

Yamaban composed on 2015-10-30 23:50 (UTC+0100):

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First: Never ever try a "online distro upgrade" aka "zypper dup" for such a two version step. At best it will seem to work and fail later.

That's been the standard recommendation since forever, but I doubt there's much reason to pay attention to it for this particular case. The way I understand it, Leap is built on a foundation of SLE12+ mixed with packages from Factory aka Tumbleweed, which means package versions in Leap can be older than versions in 13.2.

13.2 currently runs on systemd-0210-25.16.1, Leap on systemd-210-84.1, 13.1 (via updates) on systemd-208, 13.1 (via repositories/Base:/System:/Legacy, which most of my 13.1 installations are already running, poised to go into Evergreen) systemd-210-74.1. At this level, it shouldn't make much difference whether upgrading from 13.1 or 13.2.

13.2's glibc is 2.19, Leap's glibc 2.19, 13.1's 2.18, so likely not significant.

You also have to compare rpm and libzyp, and related. One suggestion was to upgrade those first, then proceed with the rest. But I think I remember someone saying that bugzillas about problems with two version jumps with zypper dup would be wontfixed automatically. That was the meaning of "not supported". -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

On 10/31/2015 09:20 AM, Yamaban wrote:

On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 23:27, Johannes Kastl wrote:

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Hi all,

Am 30.10.15 schrieb Bob Williams:

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What is the recommended way to move from openSUSE 13.2 to Leap 42?

I would like to ask a similar question:

Has anyone tried to go from 13.1 to Leap without installing 13.2 first ?

Most of my machines are running 13.1, and if it works I would like to skip 13.2, if possible...

Johannes

First: Never ever try a "online distro upgrade" aka "zypper dup" for such a two version step. At best it will seem to work and fail later.

Second: Backup FIRST. No Jokes. Any information you need later (user homes, personal files outside $HOME, /etc/*, configs outside /etc) all that on a media that will be disconnected and in an other room during upgrade, first update/patch, and first config to personal taste.

Third: Get the full install-media, or a lokal mirror of the online rpm tree. Your internet connection will never be good enough for a net-install otherwise, and idle hands during install cause trouble.

Fourth: Please, do yourself and all of us a favour and read the release notes before trying to install, there are some gotchas.

Fifth: Boot the install media of Leap 42.1, take care to boot with uefi if you want to use it later, its not worth the hassle to work around the issues later, a reboot from falsly selected bios install into wanted uefi install is much faster and safer.

In the installer select: "update installed system" (or whatever that is in your language)

And work from there, maybe re-format your partitons (attention data loss)

Have a nice weekend, - Yamaban.

The safer way is to install through 13.2, ie swap your repos to 13.2 zypper dup, then swap to 42.1 and zypper dup again. Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/31/2015 05:38 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

31.10.2015 01:50, Yamaban пишет:

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First: Never ever try a "online distro upgrade" aka "zypper dup" for such a two version step. At best it will seem to work and fail later.

Such horror stories are not helpful at all. zypper dup may fail to upgrade some packages, when package structure changed significantly. It may have problems with dependencies for packages not part of distribution. But assuming zypper dup actually completed without errors - what can cause it to mysteriously "fail later"?

Besides this list is full of examples when clean new installations "seem to work and fail later".

Someone reported on irc having issues with network.service after doing 13.1 to 42.1 today. Although I'm guessing that never seemed to work. Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Hi, On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 09:27:07PM +1030, Simon Lees wrote:

On 10/31/2015 05:38 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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31.10.2015 01:50, Yamaban пишет:

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First: Never ever try a "online distro upgrade" aka "zypper dup" for such a two version step. At best it will seem to work and fail later.

Such horror stories are not helpful at all. zypper dup may fail to upgrade some packages, when package structure changed significantly. It may have problems with dependencies for packages not part of distribution. But assuming zypper dup actually completed without errors - what can cause it to mysteriously "fail later"?

Besides this list is full of examples when clean new installations "seem to work and fail later".

Someone reported on irc having issues with network.service after doing 13.1 to 42.1 today. Although I'm guessing that never seemed to work.

Rumours are rumours and bugreports are bugreports. The facts available from a report are a base to a discussio. Rumours are usefull to chat about at the market or in the pub but aren't a big benefit to the project. Cheers, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team + SUSE Labs SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 21:21, Johannes Kastl wrote:

Dear Yamaban, Am 30.10.15 schrieb Yamaban:

[lecture snipped]

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Fourth: Please, do yourself and all of us a favour and read the release notes before trying to install, there are some gotchas.

I do not want to be rude, but I was not asking for a lecture. It's not my first rodeo...

I was asking for experiences, especially in regard to the gotchas you mention. Those that the release notes might not mention.

I know I could go 13.1->13.2->Leap, but that would mean twice the trouble. And if others have tested already and had no trouble, I would take the risk. And clean up the mess, if it does not work.

No offence meant.

Non taken. Background is just sad: In the last fifteen years, most people that had tried such a two-gen upgrade (not a fresh install) without a full warning prior where not willing to think ahead for such a upgrade. No backups, or leave backup mounted during upgrade (and select format...). All, what is called "taunting Murphy", I've either heard about, or have been called to fix afterwards. So, a shout out to be carefull is not meant to be a downer, but more of a "take care and have fun without regets". In this special case (13.1 to Leap 42.1) there are more gotchas than 11.4 to 12.2 for example. Wickedd (network) is just a part of that, but the, in the glance odd, mix of SLE and OSS is a very fresh thing and still has some rough edges left. And the state of KDE is so-so -- better than the step from KDE3 to KDE4, but still not fully done. And the DM stuff... if you need samba/AD, KDM4 is your friend. As I've said, gotchas. Known beforehand, spares one hours of frustation, and that makes a better weekend. Nice evenening, - Yamaban. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/11/15 03:42 PM, Yamaban wrote:

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 21:21, Johannes Kastl wrote:

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Dear Yamaban, Am 30.10.15 schrieb Yamaban:

[lecture snipped]

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Fourth: Please, do yourself and all of us a favour and read the release notes before trying to install, there are some gotchas.

I do not want to be rude, but I was not asking for a lecture. It's not my first rodeo...

I was asking for experiences, especially in regard to the gotchas you mention. Those that the release notes might not mention.

I know I could go 13.1->13.2->Leap, but that would mean twice the trouble. And if others have tested already and had no trouble, I would take the risk. And clean up the mess, if it does not work.

No offence meant.

Non taken.

Background is just sad: In the last fifteen years, most people that had tried such a two-gen upgrade (not a fresh install) without a full warning prior where not willing to think ahead for such a upgrade.

No backups, or leave backup mounted during upgrade (and select format...). All, what is called "taunting Murphy", I've either heard about, or have been called to fix afterwards.

So, a shout out to be carefull is not meant to be a downer, but more of a "take care and have fun without regets".

In this special case (13.1 to Leap 42.1) there are more gotchas than 11.4 to 12.2 for example. Wickedd (network) is just a part of that, but the, in the glance odd, mix of SLE and OSS is a very fresh thing and still has some rough edges left.

And the state of KDE is so-so -- better than the step from KDE3 to KDE4, but still not fully done.

And the DM stuff... if you need samba/AD, KDM4 is your friend.

As I've said, gotchas. Known beforehand, spares one hours of frustation, and that makes a better weekend.

Nice evenening, - Yamaban. Oh yeah. Been there done that. I learned the hard way. There is an upside because the user learns so much about their system.

Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 23:52:54 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Has anyone tried to go from 13.1 to Leap without installing 13.2 first ?

By openqa, I think.

openqa has tests for upgrade from 13.1 to Leap 42.1, it seems, e.g.: - https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/97336 - https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/97375 - https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/97410 so it certainly is possible. Still, depending on the custom installation, selection of packages, maybe personal patches to the configuration it might make sense to go step-wise. Oliver -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org