On 01/09/14 21:43, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2014-09-01 21:30 (GMT+1000) Basil Chupin composed:

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I am just in the process of updating Factory/13.2 using 'zypper up' and it is downloading version KDE 4.11.x ! The installed version of KDE for 13.2 is 4.14.0 . Is this downgrading correct or has something gone wrong in the repos? I have stopped the downloads by 'zypper up' in the meantime. KDE 4.xx has been impure for several minor releases. Parts of 4.14.0 are and have been for a while 4.11.x, mainly because some parts' development have jumped to KDF5.

Thanks for this Felix, but I am not convinced - unless there is some fart-arsing going on re KDE for 13.1 and 13.2/Factory. I updated 13.1, repeat 13.1, earlier this evening with 'zypper up' and had KDE 4.14.0 installed from the ../KDE:/Current/... repo. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.1-7 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/09/14 04:05, Shawn W Dunn wrote:

On Mon, 2014-09-01 at 22:02 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 01/09/14 21:43, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2014-09-01 21:30 (GMT+1000) Basil Chupin composed:

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I am just in the process of updating Factory/13.2 using 'zypper up' and it is downloading version KDE 4.11.x ! The installed version of KDE for 13.2 is 4.14.0 . Is this downgrading correct or has something gone wrong in the repos? I have stopped the downloads by 'zypper up' in the meantime. KDE 4.xx has been impure for several minor releases. Parts of 4.14.0 are and have been for a while 4.11.x, mainly because some parts' development have jumped to KDF5. Thanks for this Felix, but I am not convinced - unless there is some fart-arsing going on re KDE for 13.1 and 13.2/Factory.

I updated 13.1, repeat 13.1, earlier this evening with 'zypper up' and had KDE 4.14.0 installed from the ../KDE:/Current/... repo.

Ok Basil, so offer some constructive ideas. What do you propose to fix this perceived problem?

Upstream halted development on the 4.x branches of -workspaces and a number of other core KDE packages/libraries in order to focus their efforts on KDE Frameworks 5. Do you propose that we, as packagers, start making up version numbers that don't co-incide with what Upstream is releasing, just so you don't have a package that is a 4.11.x version on your computer? If that is indeed what you think should happen, how would you like to handle bug reporting? And how about updating? Are you going to be the one to keep track of what openSUSE calls a KDE package, vs what KDE Upstream is publishing?

Instead of launching into the now standardised "I am a developer/packager and if you have a comment about what I am developing/packaging then come and do some developing/packaging yourself or else bugger off" rant why not ask the person/s who maintain "zypper" to drop showing the version number of the package/s being downloaded during the "zypper patch" or "zypper up" run? When one runs "zypper refresh" only the name of the package/s is/are shown - eg, kdebase4-runtime, kdelibs, vlc, strigi - but when "....patch" or "....up" are run then the whole names and versions are displayed - eg, kdebase4-workspace<-4.11.11-15.2>. Why not dropped the <.......> part? If one wants to know what the exact version of the file is it is available in YaST. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.1-7 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 2014-09-03 09:21, Basil Chupin wrote:

When one runs "zypper refresh" only the name of the package/s is/are shown -

Packages don't enter the game in zypper refresh ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 01/09/14 21:43, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2014-09-01 21:30 (GMT+1000) Basil Chupin composed:

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I am just in the process of updating Factory/13.2 using 'zypper up' and it is downloading version KDE 4.11.x ! The installed version of KDE for 13.2 is 4.14.0 . Is this downgrading correct or has something gone wrong in the repos? I have stopped the downloads by 'zypper up' in the meantime.

KDE 4.xx has been impure for several minor releases. Parts of 4.14.0 are and have been for a while 4.11.x, mainly because some parts' development have jumped to KDF5.

Thanks for this Felix, but I am not convinced - unless there is some fart-arsing going on re KDE for 13.1 and 13.2/Factory.

I updated 13.1, repeat 13.1, earlier this evening with 'zypper up' and had KDE 4.14.0 installed from the ../KDE:/Current/... repo.

Shouldn't the update be done without the KDE:/Current repo enabled? (I've always heard extra repos should be disabled for the upgrade, then re-enabled later, to avoid issues). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/09/14 22:03, Sean wrote:

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I am just in the process of updating Factory/13.2 using 'zypper up' and it is downloading version KDE 4.11.x ! The installed version of KDE for 13.2 is 4.14.0 .

Is this downgrading correct or has something gone wrong in the repos? Kwin and workspace remain at 4.11, as their development was stopped

On 01/09/2014, Basil Chupin wrote: then. Only the applications like Dolphin and Gwenview are still updated post 4.11.

Updating is fine.

OK, thanks for this. Updating completed. But I have to say that this is all beginning to take on the appearance of a Keystone Cops Kaper. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.0 & kernel 3.16.1-7 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Monday 01 of September 2014 15:46:26 Richard Brown wrote:

On Mon, 2014-09-01 at 23:05 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 01/09/14 22:03, Sean wrote:

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On 01/09/2014, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I am just in the process of updating Factory/13.2 using 'zypper up' and it is downloading version KDE 4.11.x ! The installed version of KDE for 13.2 is 4.14.0 .

Is this downgrading correct or has something gone wrong in the repos?

Kwin and workspace remain at 4.11, as their development was stopped then. Only the applications like Dolphin and Gwenview are still updated post 4.11.

Updating is fine.

OK, thanks for this. Updating completed.

But I have to say that this is all beginning to take on the appearance of a Keystone Cops Kaper.

BC

In KDE's defence, this isn't an uncommon problem. Speaking from my experience with GNOME, there's often parts of the GNOME stack that don't move at all between releases.

In GNOME we 'deal' with this issue with pointless commits that bump the version number and nothing else so people don't notice that the application hasn't actually changed one bit since the last release.

KDE seem to have chosen a different approach which saves people from updating packages 'needlessly' when the binaries are exactly the same

I think both approaches are valid, and wouldn't describe either as having anything in common with a 'Keystones Cops Kaper'

And funny thing is, that this is 3rd release (4.12, 4.13 and now 4.14 all had the same procedure) with kde-workspace at 4.11.x... so nothing new ;-) Cheers, Hrvoje

Regards,

Richard