* Ladislav Slezak [Jul 20. 2007 13:47]:

My proposal for the Yast workflow is here:

When adding a new repository in inst_sources:

- Add a new option to the Media Type dialog (the first dialog displayed after pressing [Add]) - a check box with label "Download and parse metadata now", turned on by default.

I agree to the concept but not to the wording, only experienced users will know what "download and parse metadata" means.

After entering URL and pressing [Next]:

- Scan available products in the URL (there is usually just one product, but there might be more products)

Huh ? Are there products encoded in the URL ? ;-)

- For each found product: - probe repository type - download and display the message (if present) - download and display the license (if present), if it's not accepted remove the product

This would include checking of repo accessability - but requires network access.

- Display the new repositories in the table

(Note that some files will be downloaded even if the metadata download is turned off.)

Which is fine, if users are told "Checking repository ..."

After pressing [Finish]:

- save repositories to /etc/zypp/repos.d, if the repository has just been created then download and parse metadata (if it hasn't been turned off) (download should be postponed to the end, see bug #208461)

When starting the package manager:

- refresh and parse all missing metadata (and also refresh the repositories which have autorefresh flag set)

Didn't we want to get rid of refresh/parse when starting package manager ?

- start the package manager

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* Martin Schlander [Jul 19. 2007 18:58]:

Den Thursday 19 July 2007 17:51:39 skrev Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett:

...

zypper sa http://foo bar

Maybe zypper should ask already at this point: "Repository added succesfully. Do you wish to download metadata (xx MB) now ? y/n?"

Being asked every time might annoy people. I'd like to see this configurable.

...

zypper search moo zypper install cuack

...

for the search, you need cache, for the cache you need metadata. Should ZYpper exit and tell the user to refresh, or should it ask the user whether to refresh without exiting?

Better to ask.

Same as above.

...

In the case of YaST, should it download and refresh when adding the repos in inst_source, or should it do it during startup of the package selector?

Could we have it ask "Download repository metadata now?" after adding repo in yast? Perhaps even with an estimated size of the download.

YaST is different from command line zypper and I agree that asking is right here.

If people select no, then it must do it on startup later.

The consequences of selecting 'no' should be made clear. (And maybe a 'Dont ask anymore' checkbox, configurable via menu)

Personally I think it's more "natural" and intuitive that the metadata is downloaded when the repo is added. But of course most other package managers separate metadata download and repo adding completely.

What concerns me most is error handling. Having mistyped a URL is pretty annoying when the tools dont report this immediately.

However to me the important thing is not so much when it's done, but mostly that the user gets clear information about what's happening when it's done.

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On Friday 20 July 2007 01:57:13 pm Klaus Kaempf wrote:

For 'zypper sa http://foo bar', why do user NOT want an immediate metadata download ?

Lets see - the system is currently offline - the user is adding lots of repos in a batch - the user just wants to prep the system without using the repo immediately What else ?

Imho, adding a repo (via zypper or yast) should at least check for reachability of the repo and give immediate feedback. (one might have mistyped the url, access an incompatible architecture, etc.)

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On Fri July 20 2007 09:04, Klaus Kaempf wrote:

* Duncan Mac-Vicar P. [Jul 20. 2007 16:36]:

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On Friday 20 July 2007 01:57:13 pm Klaus Kaempf wrote:

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For 'zypper sa http://foo bar', why do user NOT want an immediate metadata download ?

Lets see - the system is currently offline - the user is adding lots of repos in a batch - the user just wants to prep the system without using the repo immediately What else ?

Imho, adding a repo (via zypper or yast) should at least check for reachability of the repo and give immediate feedback. (one might have mistyped the url, access an incompatible architecture, etc.)

Checking for reachability needs network access, which is you did not want above.

What do you propose for error checking and reporting ?

All repos from http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Repositories could be offered in a pull down menu for addition offline without risk of typos and without need for error checking. Only new repos need checking and the error message could be: Error: Could not connect to repository. Add anyway? -- Carlos FL Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org