On 19/10/13 01:35, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [10-18-13 10:03]:

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Two (2) questions about 13.1 RC1 which I installed (clean install) on my wife's computer:

1. Where in blue-blazes does one find a USB stick when it is mounted in an USB port?! and Assuming KDE (you did not say), in the System_Tray there is a ?widget? called Device_Notifier which provides you with control and access to removable devices.

I have 13.1 RC1 installed on my system but I started with MS1 and dup-ed by stages to RC1. When *I* plug in an USB stick the Device Notifier pops up and I then have the choice of "doing things" to that USB - and I have to Open it with Dolphin in order to be able to access it and read its contents. When it is mounted by the use of Dolphin I can also go into a konsole, start mc and then find the USB in /media where I can then access the files and do "inexplicable things" to them. Note that the USB in this case shows up in /media. However, on my wife's computer while the Device Notifier shows up and I open the USB (a Corsair stick) I cannot see it anywhere when I start mc - the stick does not show up in /media nor anywhere else I looked. So where is it hiding?! BTW, in the System SEttings I have the right setting set for Removable Devices which are to display the USB when it is plugged in and to mount it.

2. How does one login as another user - as root for instance - when either (a) booting the system or (b) when one goes to Logout and then login as, say, root?! Boot to runlevel 3 and open a tty as root

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From login screen presented after boot or <user> logout, select console.

Why would one boot to graphical root? If graphical root is needed, in your <user> initiated XSession, open an xterm instance and su to root or <alt><f2> and "kdesu <app-name>". Why would one boot to graphical root?

er, why would one boot to graphical root?

Because the USB is not displayed anywhere in mc I have to use Dolphin to copy files which are only accessible to root from the USB to /usr/share/ which is why I need to logout and login as root to be able to run Dolphin as root. In any case, it matters not if I want to login in as root or as another user - there is no option to login as another user when one selects Logout: one is presented with no choice of selecting another user to login as. The only way now that I can see what I need to do is to boot the system into level 3, login as root, manually mount the USB then use mc to do the copying of files from the USB stick to /usr/share/ . A heck of crap way of doing things when it works perfectlry in 12.3, 12.2 and even my 13.1RC1 which started off as MS1 :-( .

BTW, the installation was treated to a full update so all files/apps are up-to-date. Always a "Good Thing"(tm!) but not pertinent to the previous questions.

Very pertinent. Some people will inevitably ask if I had updated the system after it was installed "because this was fixed by an update". You know the usual putdown when nobody knows why this problem has arisen :-( . Well, I just jumped in first :-) . BC -- "If you read the books that everyone else is reading, you can only think what everyone else is thinking." - Haruki Murakami -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday 2013-10-18 17:35, C wrote:

Assuming KDE4:

Geeko > Applications > System > File Manager > File Manager - Super User Mode

The Unix way: Alt-F2 > xterm > su -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 19/10/13 03:59, C wrote:

On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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On Friday 2013-10-18 17:35, C wrote:

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Assuming KDE4:

Geeko > Applications > System > File Manager > File Manager - Super User Mode The Unix way: Alt-F2 > xterm > su Ha, that too. Basil explicitly stated though he wanted to use Dolphin in super-user mode, and was logging out of $USER and logging in as root... so... thus the Dolphin solution/option :-)

C.

Nah, nah..... My English must have gone haywire and I had better reread what I wrote...... What I stated - or meant to state - is that I am now *forced* to use Dolphin as root because the USB device is not visible in mc (where it always showed up in /media). BC -- "If you read the books that everyone else is reading, you can only think what everyone else is thinking." - Haruki Murakami -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 02:16 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

When it is mounted by the use of Dolphin I can also go into a konsole, start mc and then find the USB in /media where I can then access the files and do "inexplicable things" to them.

Note that the USB in this case shows up in /media.

However, on my wife's computer while the Device Notifier shows up and I open the USB (a Corsair stick) I cannot see it anywhere when I start mc - the stick does not show up in /media nor anywhere else I looked. So where is it hiding?!

should be in /var/run/media/<username> -- Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday 2013-10-18 21:27, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2013-10-18 20:00 (GMT+0200) Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger composed:

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should be in /var/run/media/<username>

"Should"? Why? That's just as bad or maybe worse than \Documents and Settings\blah. Why not just /media/<DEVLABEL> as before?

Because if two users attempt to mount two devices with the same devlabel, then...*bang*. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/18/2013 04:50 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2013-10-18 21:28 (GMT+0200) Jan Engelhardt composed:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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should be in /var/run/media/<username>

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"Should"? Why? That's just as bad or maybe worse than \Documents and Settings\blah. Why not just /media/<DEVLABEL> as before?

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Because if two users attempt to mount two devices with the same devlabel, then...*bang*.

A system capable of determining to put a device in /var/run/media/<username> is surely capable of appending [2,3,*] or <username> or bus## if and when another device with an identical label is being mounted to a different USB bus ID. /var/run/ is not a place where mere mortal users should be looking for anything, much less files on a stick just plugged. If <username> is going to be part of the mountpoint name, why not /home/<username>/media/<label>? +1

Good one Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-10-19 00:36 (GMT+0200) Freek de Kruijf composed:

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A system capable of determining to put a device in /var/run/media/<username> is surely capable of appending [2,3,*] or <username> or bus## if and when another device with an identical label is being mounted to a different USB bus ID. /var/run/ is not a place where mere mortal users should be looking for anything, much less files on a stick just plugged. If <username> is going to be part of the mountpoint name, why not /home/<username>/media/<label>?

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The reason might be that /var/run is a tmpfs.

Of what significance is that? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:50, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2013-10-18 21:28 (GMT+0200) Jan Engelhardt composed:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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...USB (a Corsair stick) I cannot see it anywhere when I start mc - the stick does not show up in /media nor anywhere else I looked. So where is it hiding?!

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"Should"? Why? That's just as bad or maybe worse than \Documents and Settings\blah. Why not just /media/<DEVLABEL> as before?

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Because if two users attempt to mount two devices with the same devlabel, then...*bang*.

A system capable of determining to put a device in /var/run/media/<username> is surely capable of appending [2,3,*] or <username> or bus## if and when another device with an identical label is being mounted to a different USB bus ID. /var/run/ is not a place where mere mortal users should be looking for anything, much less files on a stick just plugged. If <username> is going to be part of the mountpoint name, why not /home/<username>/media/<label>?

+1 for this idea, interim solution: crate a link in the form: "ln -s /var/run/media/$USER /home/$USER/media" That would at least show what a (inexperienced) user expects, and can be done NOW, without upstream hassle. Idea for a place for this solution would be the (xdg-)tool that handles the 'User Desktop Directory Name Translation' (e.g. for German: Documents -> Dokumente, Public -> Öffentlich) - Yamaban.

On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:24, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2013-10-18 23:04 (GMT+0200) Yamaban composed:

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A system capable of determining to put a device in /var/run/media/<username> is surely capable of appending [2,3,*] or <username> or bus## if and when another device with an identical label is being mounted to a different USB bus ID. /var/run/ is not a place where mere mortal users should be looking for anything, much less files on a stick just plugged. If <username> is going to be part of the mountpoint name, why not /home/<username>/media/<label>?

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+1 for this idea,

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interim solution: crate a link in the form: "ln -s /var/run/media/$USER /home/$USER/media"

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That would at least show what a (inexperienced) user expects, and can be done NOW, without upstream hassle.

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Idea for a place for this solution would be the (xdg-)tool that handles the 'User Desktop Directory Name Translation' (e.g. for German: Documents -> Dokumente, Public -> Öffentlich)

What if root plugs it, intending for its rw access by multiple or all users?

If device has generic label and user wants to apply a better one, would it allowed without problem(s)?

If you take this argument about "for all" to it's logical conclusion then the whole /var/run/media/<username>/ part is borked. User "root" handling media is a extra chapter, as he is NOT a "User", but a "Administator" and should NEVER EVER be used as a "User". ATM udev rules do NOT reflect this. "Label Changing", how nice of you to bring this up. Fact is, the kernel it self uses device-nodes (e.g. /dev/sdb1) everything else, including labels is not needed for the kernel. The whole 'by-label', 'by-id', or 'by-path' huddle is just placed on top of that, and AFAIK handled by "udev" To me "Changing" a label is part of the filesystem-tools and udev-tools, just HOW that is presented to the users is a extra beast. Normal way would be: - un-mount <old label> - <fs-tool> <dev-node> <new label> - <re-detect device to let udev know about change> - mount <new label> Note: some filesystems allow to change label while mounted. Pack that in a app with a (G)UI, and you will have fans for it. - Yamaban

On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 11:04, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

Am 18.10.2013 23:48, schrieb Yamaban:

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"Label Changing", how nice of you to bring this up. Fact is, the kernel it self uses device-nodes (e.g. /dev/sdb1) everything else, including labels is not needed for the kernel.

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Note: some filesystems allow to change label while mounted.

Pack that in a app with a (G)UI, and you will have fans for it.

alt-f2, gnome-disks, enter

The UI is not that intuitive, but it does exactly what you want among others.

Q: Not to sound stupid, but does this have a KDE equivalent? I'm on a XFCE only (work-)machine atm and can't just switch, but would like to know for my home box. Until now, I used the discrete steps, when needed. - Yamaban -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

From: Felix Miata To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] automounting USB Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:24:54 -0400 On 2013-10-18 23:04 (GMT+0200) Yamaban composed:

Felix Miata wrote:

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A system capable of determining to put a device in /var/run/media/<username> is surely capable of appending [2,3,*] or <username> or bus## if and when another device with an identical label is being mounted to a different USB bus ID. /var/run/ is not a place where mere mortal users should be looking for anything, much less files on a stick just plugged. If <username> is going to be part of the mountpoint name, why not /home/<username>/media/<label>?

+1 for this idea,

interim solution: crate a link in the form: "ln -s /var/run/media/$USER /home/$USER/media"

That would at least show what a (inexperienced) user expects, and can be done NOW, without upstream hassle.

Idea for a place for this solution would be the (xdg-)tool that handles the 'User Desktop Directory Name Translation' (e.g. for German: Documents -> Dokumente, Public -> Öffentlich)

What if root plugs it, intending for its rw access by multiple or all users? -----Original Message----- If the root-user has an opened console, while plugging such device he/she should be able to mount it manually onto a decent mountpoint. Automount should only be done for end-lusers. btw, what should happen if no-one is logged in, and a disk/stick is plugged in? Or even funnier: just imagine that someone created the users "proc" or "sys" ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday 18 October 2013 18:06:51 Felix Miata wrote:

On 2013-10-18 23:53 (GMT+0200) Hans Witvliet composed:

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Automount should only be done for end-lusers.

btw, what should happen if no-one is logged in, and a disk/stick is plugged in?

What should happen when more than one user is logged in?

Normally there is just one active session. If you have a multiseat setup with multiple concurrent active sessions you as a administrator are responsible for setting up the system in a way where different USB port, hubs ... are associated with different seats. And for multiseat, you still have (at most) one active session per seat. As soon as a session becomes active, the user either automounts the device or is asked what to do with the device. Regards, Stefan -- Stefan Brüns / Bergstraße 21 / 52062 Aachen phone: +49 241 53809034 mobile: +49 151 50412019

On 2013-10-19 16:17 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:

Felix Miata wrote:

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Automount should only be done for end-lusers.

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btw, what should happen if no-one is logged in, and a disk/stick is plugged in?

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What should happen when more than one user is logged in?

Hold on here.....Am I misunderstanding something? We are not talking about a server here but an installation of 13.1 on a single machine - which MAY BE used by several people, but only person can be logged in at a time. Yes/No?

A Linux machine with one seat, one keyboard, one mouse can have multiple sessions/logins at once. My systems spend very little time running with less than 3 sessions running. While only one such can have focus, focus and busy are not equivalent. Multitasking takes more than one form. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 18.10.2013 23:04, schrieb Yamaban:

interim solution: crate a link in the form: "ln -s /var/run/media/$USER /home/$USER/media"

I did this a year ago for me.

That would at least show what a (inexperienced) user expects, and can be done NOW, without upstream hassle.

The inexperienced user just clicks on the device name in the file manager and the usb stick gets mounted and the file selector placed in /run/media/$USER/$LABEL At least with XFCE/Thunar this is the case. -- Stefan Seyfried "If your lighter runs out of fluid or flint and stops making fire, and you can't be bothered to figure out about lighter fluid or flint, that is not Zippo's fault." -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Sunday 27 October 2013, Rajko wrote:

On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 11:06:41 +0200

Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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The inexperienced user just clicks on the device name in the file manager and the usb stick gets mounted and the file selector placed in /run/media/$USER/$LABEL

The mount point (/media/ or /run/media/$USER/$LABEL/ ) is actually completely irrelevant for inexperienced user. They will look at the desktop and expect to see a window, with some program dedicated, or selected from the list, doing something with a just mounted storage.

I don't know what does it mean to "look at the desktop"? I guess this is something for experienced users!?

Knowledge about actual mount point is domain of experienced users that want to see files in a terminal window.

For those using KDE the way is to use drop down menu: Control > Tools > Open Terminal which will open terminal with proper path already set.

The other way is to create new panel within Dolphin file manager, with: Control > Panels > Terminal which will provide terminal.

For 12.2 that I currently use it will be something like: /media/openSUSE 12.3 KDE Live/ or whatever storage label is used instead of "openSUSE 12.3 KDE Live". Guys with 12.3, or 13.1 will see different path.

In other words I don't really understand whole discussion about mount point change.

I don't need a distribution which is made for desktop users only. I do not use arbitrary buttons, drop down menus, file managers or whatever to simply access some files. I am using their paths. It's annoying to have such paths changed all nose long And if it really doesn't matter where it's mounted, why change it then? cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-10-18 22:50, Felix Miata wrote:

mountpoint name, why not /home/<username>/media/<label>?

+1 -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)

El 18/10/13 19:43, Ruediger Meier escribió:

About /var/run/media/<username> ... this is obviously invented by people who only use very special desktop mangers to access their files ... Personally I find this console-kit (or however it's called nowadays) magic useless anyway.

There is no consolekit since 12.3 or so... -- "If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in." - Edsger Dijkstra -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 15:39 +0200, Ruediger Meier wrote:

On Saturday 19 October 2013 01:38:02 Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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El 18/10/13 19:43, Ruediger Meier escribió:

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About /var/run/media/<username> ... this is obviously invented by people who only use very special desktop mangers to access their files ... Personally I find this console-kit (or however it's called nowadays) magic useless anyway.

There is no consolekit since 12.3 or so...

As I wrote, I know that it's obsolete. On the other hand console-kit is still installed and running on 13.1. It has survived any update so far ...

There is only about a handful packages left depending on CK in 13.1. One of them being lxdm. so, 'automatic' removal is not going to happen until this is done. You are free to uninstall ConsoleKit: if you don't' run LXDE (or at least lxdm), there is no functionality going lost. The other DMs switched to systemd. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Saturday 19 October 2013 01:43:49 Felix Miata wrote:

On 2013-10-19 00:43 (GMT+0200) Ruediger Meier composed:

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A system capable of determining to put a device in /var/run/media/<username> is surely capable of appending [2,3,*] or <username> or bus## if and when another device with an identical label is being mounted to a different USB bus ID. /var/run/ is not a place where mere mortal users should be looking for anything, much less files on a stick just plugged. If <username> is going to be part of the mountpoint name, why not /home/<username>/media/<label>?

Please don't pullute user's homes with mount points or symlinks (or any other non-dotfiles).

Why not? From KDE 4.10.5 a new $HOME already has:

Desktop Documents Downloads Music Pictures Public Templates Videos

none of which *I* created.

Well, I decide where I want to download files , keep my videos or whatever. And because don't use KDE4 it's even more annoying that it creates such directories when I just start it one time for fun. Other programs may create other trash. I really hate that. cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Saturday 2013-10-19 19:33, Yamaban wrote:

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Please don't pullute user's homes with mount points or symlinks (or any other non-dotfiles).

Why not? From KDE 4.10.5 a new $HOME already has:

Desktop Documents Downloads Music Pictures Public Templates Videos

none of which *I* created.

Please, lay the "Blame" where it belongs: well defined standards and their implementation, here it's from freedesktop.org: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs

Well, glad we have this discussion. Let me summarize: XDG polluts ~, and FHS does not. "Thank you, have a nice a day." :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2013-10-18 20:00 (GMT+0200) Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger composed:

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should be in /var/run/media/<username>

"Should"? Why? That's just as bad or maybe worse than \Documents and Settings\blah. Why not just /media/<DEVLABEL> as before? Has anyone considered putting a symlink to /var/run/media/ in /home/?

Based on which Windowing solution you use, this was introduced in either 12.2 or 12.3, so I don't know why it's being discussed on factory. Anyway if you want to put it back in /media without shared access by all users of the computer, there is not a GUI/yast way to do it that I know of, but via the CLI here you go. === If you want to put it back in /media try this: 1) get the latest udisk packages from online updates (for 12.3 I think. 13.1 should already have it in OSS) 2) Create: /etc/udev/rules.d/99-correct-media-mount-point.rules With rule (contents): ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto",ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1" that's a one liner and the file name can be anything that starts with 99. 3) restart udisks (there is a command I don't remember, or you can just reboot) Details for this are in a bugzilla, but I don't have the bnc# handy. === Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/18/2013 04:36 PM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

El 18/10/13 16:27, Felix Miata escribió:

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should be in /var/run/media/<username>

"Should"? Why?

Don't you think someone already thought about keeping the old path ? There are reasons why things are the way they are now.

Oh yeah. The "run" feature was introduced about 3 distro versions ago. Yes? Cheers! Roman ------------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Get it! Discover it! Share it! ------------------------------------------- http://linuxcounter.net/ #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-10-18 17:36 (GMT-0300) Cristian Rodríguez composed:

Felix Miata composed:

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"Should"? Why?

Don't you think someone already thought about keeping the old path ? There are reasons why things are the way they are now.

Obviously one reason must be to keep life unnecessarily complicated. What other reasons? Is this something brought to us sparingly tested by people like those who brought us libata, systemd and grub2 before they were mature enough to make sense to mere mortals? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Saturday 2013-10-19 07:26, Basil Chupin wrote:

There must be a reason why my neighbour goes out just after it rains and starts using his leaf-blower on his driveway - and when there are no leaves on his drive.

There has to be a reason but I, for one, am damned if I know what that is.

You know, you could ask him. Because for one, wet leaves are somewhat (st)icky so the blower may have no effect. On the other hand, because of this property, it would also mean that, once you get them blown into a corner, the accumulated heap of leaves stays together. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Don't you think someone already thought about keeping the old path ? There are reasons why things are the way they are now.

That is not an answer.

There must be a reason why my neighbour goes out just after it rains and starts using his leaf-blower on his driveway - and when there are no leaves on his drive.

There has to be a reason but I, for one, am damned if I know what

On 10/18/2013 10:26 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: that is.

Think outside the box, it may have nothing to do with leaves.

Maybe your neighbor likes dry driveways and wants to do a blow-dry?

Maybe he's got a leaf-blower fetish and he finds running one erotic?

Maybe he's pretending to be Squidward with a reef-blower?

Maybe he just enjoys annoying his neighbors?

Maybe he enjoys messing with Basil's mind. Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 19/10/13 06:27, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2013-10-18 20:00 (GMT+0200) Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger composed:

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should be in /var/run/media/<username>

"Should"? Why?

A *very* good question.

That's just as bad or maybe worse than \Documents and Settings\blah. Why not just /media/<DEVLABEL> as before? Has anyone considered putting a symlink to /var/run/media/ in /home/?

I did just as I finished reading Dimstar's response. But I haven't created the symlinklink yet. BC -- "If you read the books that everyone else is reading, you can only think what everyone else is thinking." - Haruki Murakami -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 19/10/13 06:49, Freek de Kruijf wrote:

Op zaterdag 19 oktober 2013 02:16:48 schreef Basil Chupin:

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On 19/10/13 01:35, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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er, why would one boot to graphical root? Because the USB is not displayed anywhere in mc I have to use Dolphin to copy files which are only accessible to root from the USB to /usr/share/ which is why I need to logout and login as root to be able to run Dolphin as root. You can start dolphin as root in a normal KDE user session using <Alt><F2> and type: kdesu dolphin<Return>.

Yes, I know that. But that is NOT what I want to do. I want to use mc - which I have used for many years and which I find more useful than Dolphin. BC -- "If you read the books that everyone else is reading, you can only think what everyone else is thinking." - Haruki Murakami -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Op zaterdag 19 oktober 2013 16:31:26 schreef Basil Chupin:

On 19/10/13 06:49, Freek de Kruijf wrote:

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Op zaterdag 19 oktober 2013 02:16:48 schreef Basil Chupin:

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On 19/10/13 01:35, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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er, why would one boot to graphical root?

Because the USB is not displayed anywhere in mc I have to use Dolphin to copy files which are only accessible to root from the USB to /usr/share/ which is why I need to logout and login as root to be able to run Dolphin as root.

You can start dolphin as root in a normal KDE user session using <Alt><F2> and type: kdesu dolphin<Return>.

Yes, I know that. But that is NOT what I want to do. I want to use mc - which I have used for many years and which I find more useful than Dolphin.

BC

In case you can start mc by typing mc after pressing <Alt><F2> you can start mc as root by typing kdesu mc. -- fr.gr. Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 01:49:09 +1100 Basil Chupin wrote:

I *know* how to run mc as root/superuser. The point was/is that I *could* *not* find the USB device in mc because it is no longer placed in /media.

I answered in a wrong place: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2013-10/msg00825.html You don't have to care where it is mounted, KDE and Dolphin will do that (re)search for you. I'm not sure about Konqueror in a file manager mode, but one may suspect that it will. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 19/10/13 04:24, Jim Henderson wrote:

On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 01:00:15 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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1. Where in blue-blazes does one find a USB stick when it is mounted in an USB port?! and What do the output of 'lsusb', 'lsscsi', and 'mount' tell you about the device?

In 12.2 and later IIRC, media like USB sticks are mounted under /run/ media/[username]. I'd bet that's where you'll find it in 13.1 RC1, too.

Jim

Actually this brings up another anomaly re USB memory sticks which I have ignored for many a year. Using lsusb and lsscsi show me that I have a USB CORSAIR flash drive sitting on my system but it is not showing up anywhere in my directories - it would normally appear in /media on my machine (12.2 or 12.3 or *my* 13.1 RC1 which was steadily upgraded from MS1 over the months). But it is nowhere to be seen. Why not? Because after I had plugged it in I did not Open It With Dolphin, that's why. The damn thing is not mounted UNTIL I open it with Dolphin. I *don't* want to waste my time with Dolphin, I just want to access the device with mc but NO, I *must* first open it with Dolphin. This is mandatory and immutable. It is also a PITA! BC -- "If you read the books that everyone else is reading, you can only think what everyone else is thinking." - Haruki Murakami -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Saturday 2013-10-19 07:48, Basil Chupin wrote:

Actually this brings up another anomaly re USB memory sticks which I have ignored for many a year.

Using lsusb and lsscsi show me that I have a USB CORSAIR flash drive sitting on my system but it is not showing up anywhere in my directories - it would normally appear in /media[...]

But it is nowhere to be seen. Why not?

In XFCE, the same occurs and was only "fixed" by installing gvfs. (wtf does udisks need gvfs?) Of course I could just manually mount(8) them, which I fathom Dolphin might just do (which would also explain why it needs root, if it does). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 19/10/13 04:24, Jim Henderson wrote:

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On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 01:00:15 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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1. Where in blue-blazes does one find a USB stick when it is mounted in an USB port?! and

What do the output of 'lsusb', 'lsscsi', and 'mount' tell you about the device?

In 12.2 and later IIRC, media like USB sticks are mounted under /run/ media/[username]. I'd bet that's where you'll find it in 13.1 RC1, too.

Jim

Actually this brings up another anomaly re USB memory sticks which I have ignored for many a year.

Using lsusb and lsscsi show me that I have a USB CORSAIR flash drive sitting on my system but it is not showing up anywhere in my directories - it would normally appear in /media on my machine (12.2 or 12.3 or *my* 13.1 RC1 which was steadily upgraded from MS1 over the months).

But it is nowhere to be seen. Why not?

Because after I had plugged it in I did not Open It With Dolphin, that's why.

The damn thing is not mounted UNTIL I open it with Dolphin. I *don't* want to waste my time with Dolphin, I just want to access the device with mc but NO, I *must* first open it with Dolphin. This is mandatory and immutable.

It is also a PITA!

BC

I like having total control when I want it. If I don't want dolphin in control, I use "dmesg" shortly after connect a USB device to see what /dev/sdx it is assigned, then I manually run mount. It works fine for me and I hope linux always leaves me in control of manual mounting vs auto-mounting. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org