[opensuse-factory] New Potential Project; DevOps
Team, I wanted to ping the collective around this idea before creating. The idea is to create a focused project within openSUSE around DevOps. This would include the focused packaging of all of the tools around a DevOps ecosystem. Namely OBS, Jenkins, etc. https://xebialabs.com/periodic-table-of-devops-tools/ The open source ones of course. :-) Maybe we create a DevOps in a box where they can be delivered via an image for deployment. This would help promote these tools in the community and hopefully attract developer teams outside of the openSUSE community to using our distribution for development. We would want to promote how these tools can be used together and create howto's and guides around this. Really want to hit home the advantages and positively reinforce the great tools SUSE has available in the CI/CD space. Does anyone else have any ideas around this? I want to walk into a company and hear they are using openSUSE or SUSE Enterprise for their microservices needs rather than Ubuntu or CentOS, and give me precise reasons why we are better. :-) Yeah a bit of a dream, but help me make it reality. Is there anyone interested in this community project? Anyone interested in joining if I get it all started? feedback please. Thanks, -- Cameron Seader Sr. Technology Strategist SUSE cs@suse.com (w)208-572-0095 (M)208-420-2167 www.suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Cameron Seader
Team, I wanted to ping the collective around this idea before creating. The idea is to create a focused project within openSUSE around DevOps. This would include the focused packaging of all of the tools around a DevOps ecosystem. Namely OBS, Jenkins, etc.
https://xebialabs.com/periodic-table-of-devops-tools/
The open source ones of course. :-)
Maybe we create a DevOps in a box where they can be delivered via an image for deployment.
Don't you mean a series of images? I'm not that familiar with Jenkins, etc but I know a little about OBS. It comes as 2 distinct ISOs already: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Appliance One for the main server, and one for the workers. For a decent sized project, I assume openQA (http://open.qa/) would be on one or more dedicated servers as well. Anyway it seems like DevOps would be made to deploy to a server farm?
This would help promote these tools in the community and hopefully attract developer teams outside of the openSUSE community to using our distribution for development.
We would want to promote how these tools can be used together and create howto's and guides around this.
Really want to hit home the advantages and positively reinforce the great tools SUSE has available in the CI/CD space.
Does anyone else have any ideas around this?
I want to walk into a company and hear they are using openSUSE or SUSE Enterprise for their microservices needs rather than Ubuntu or CentOS, and give me precise reasons why we are better. :-) Yeah a bit of a dream, but help me make it reality.
Does Dell still use OBS: === Dell Community Repository http://linux.dell.com/repo/community Michael Brown Dell hosts several open source projects for distribution to customers on a community-support-only basis. We struggled to build all of the software across all the OS distribution flavors using a homegrown build system. OBS saved the day in allowing not only easy access to build across our most popular repos, but also in allowing secure access to allow trusted third parties to add content to our repos. === From: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_installations Might be a few more interesting users in that list. Is the list up to date?
Is there anyone interested in this community project? Anyone interested in joining if I get it all started?
feedback please.
Thanks, -- Cameron Seader Sr. Technology Strategist SUSE cs@suse.com (w)208-572-0095 (M)208-420-2167
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On 07/18/2016 09:06 PM, Cameron Seader wrote:
Team, I wanted to ping the collective around this idea before creating. The idea is to create a focused project within openSUSE around DevOps. This would include the focused packaging of all of the tools around a DevOps ecosystem. Namely OBS, Jenkins, etc.
SUSE puts some effort on Salt already, so if openSUSE "DevOps" centers around it, it would get lot of work from what we do at SUSE. (openSUSE Salt packages are already kept with all the patches and backport the SUSE Manager and other teams at SUSE use for their products/work) -- Duncan Mac-Vicar P. - http://www.suse.com/ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag 18 Juli 2016, 13:06:53 schrieb Cameron Seader:
Team, I wanted to ping the collective around this idea before creating. The idea is to create a focused project within openSUSE around DevOps. This would include the focused packaging of all of the tools around a DevOps ecosystem. Namely OBS, Jenkins, etc.
(un)related question: is there anything in the SuSE ecosystem that is comparable in form & fuction to a RHEV / Red Hat Satellite / puppet / ansible setup? ...if not, why not? cheers Mathias -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-07-19 10:13, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Montag 18 Juli 2016, 13:06:53 schrieb Cameron Seader:
Team, I wanted to ping the collective around this idea before creating. The idea is to create a focused project within openSUSE around DevOps. This would include the focused packaging of all of the tools around a DevOps ecosystem. Namely OBS, Jenkins, etc.
(un)related question: is there anything in the SuSE ecosystem that is
Btw. no need to lower case the u anymore, it's SUSE since 10+ years now...
comparable in form & fuction to a RHEV / Red Hat Satellite / puppet / ansible setup?
...if not, why not?
Satellite - SUSE Manager - and version 3 comes with salt. There's no direct equivalent of RHEV . SLES comes with libvirt and then there's SUSE OpenStack Cloud, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag 19 Juli 2016, 10:19:37 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Satellite - SUSE Manager - and version 3 comes with salt.
..what is salt?
There's no direct equivalent of RHEV . SLES comes with libvirt and then there's SUSE OpenStack Cloud,
There are two basic differences between RHEV and openstack: - RHEV scales vertically (VMs get more ressources when the load increases), openstack scales horizontally (more instances are launched when the oad increases) - openstack instances are used for hours, maybe days, then they are destroyed; RHEV instances have a lifetime of months if not years. cheers MH -- gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-07-19 10:44, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Dienstag 19 Juli 2016, 10:19:37 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Satellite - SUSE Manager - and version 3 comes with salt.
..what is salt?
Salt is a configuration management tool, combines features of both puppet and ansible.
There's no direct equivalent of RHEV . SLES comes with libvirt and then there's SUSE OpenStack Cloud,
There are two basic differences between RHEV and openstack:
That's why I said "no direct equivalent" - unless you use libvirt directly.
- RHEV scales vertically (VMs get more ressources when the load increases), openstack scales horizontally (more instances are launched when the oad increases) - openstack instances are used for hours, maybe days, then they are destroyed; RHEV instances have a lifetime of months if not years.
OpenStack lifetimes can be long as well, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/19/2016 10:44 AM, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Dienstag 19 Juli 2016, 10:19:37 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Satellite - SUSE Manager - and version 3 comes with salt.
..what is salt?
https://saltstack.com/ openSUSE Conference 2016 Keynote: https://app.media.ccc.de/v/818-saltstack-is-more-than-just-configuration-man... https://www.virtualizationpractice.com/saltstack-is-gaining-momentum-22170/ https://duncan.mac-vicar.com/2016/03/16/susemanager-3-backstage.html https://duncan.mac-vicar.com/2016/06/09/config-drift-salt-snapper.html -- Duncan Mac-Vicar P. - http://www.suse.com/ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Duncan Mac-Vicar P.
On 07/19/2016 10:44 AM, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Dienstag 19 Juli 2016, 10:19:37 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Satellite - SUSE Manager - and version 3 comes with salt.
..what is salt?
openSUSE Conference 2016 Keynote: https://app.media.ccc.de/v/818-saltstack-is-more-than-just-configuration-man...
https://www.virtualizationpractice.com/saltstack-is-gaining-momentum-22170/ https://duncan.mac-vicar.com/2016/03/16/susemanager-3-backstage.html https://duncan.mac-vicar.com/2016/06/09/config-drift-salt-snapper.html
When to you anticipate moving Salt 2016.3.x, the current stable, from systemsmanagement:saltstack:testing to systemsmanagement:saltstack? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/21/2016 07:19 PM, Darin Perusich wrote:
When to you anticipate moving Salt 2016.3.x, the current stable, from systemsmanagement:saltstack:testing to systemsmanagement:saltstack?
As soon as it passes our regression tests, and 2016 broke lot of stuff. It gets always copied when it is green. -- Duncan Mac-Vicar P. - http://www.suse.com/ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Great, are these regression tests publicly available?
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Later,
Darin
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Duncan Mac-Vicar P.
On 07/21/2016 07:19 PM, Darin Perusich wrote:
When to you anticipate moving Salt 2016.3.x, the current stable, from systemsmanagement:saltstack:testing to systemsmanagement:saltstack?
As soon as it passes our regression tests, and 2016 broke lot of stuff.
It gets always copied when it is green.
-- Duncan Mac-Vicar P. - http://www.suse.com/
SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
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On 07/22/2016 04:12 PM, Darin Perusich wrote:
Great, are these regression tests publicly available? -- Later, Darin
The code, yes ( https://github.com/openSUSE/salt-toaster ) , but the setup is internal for now. Nothing prevents to setup something on ci.opensuse.org in the future (just time...) -- Duncan Mac-Vicar P. - http://www.suse.com/ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/19/2016 10:13 AM, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Montag 18 Juli 2016, 13:06:53 schrieb Cameron Seader:
Team, I wanted to ping the collective around this idea before creating. The idea is to create a focused project within openSUSE around DevOps. This would include the focused packaging of all of the tools around a DevOps ecosystem. Namely OBS, Jenkins, etc.
(un)related question: is there anything in the SuSE ecosystem that is comparable in form & fuction to a RHEV / Red Hat Satellite / puppet / ansible setup?
SUSE Manager is based on upstream Spacewalk plus Salt support. Anyone can package it for openSUSE. * Upstream does not package it for openSUSE * openSUSE does not package Spacewalk, except for some SUSE Manager team members that have slowly started packaging upstream in OBS (mostly client parts) and sending our spec file patches upstream: - https://github.com/spacewalkproject/spacewalk/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr%20openSUSE%20 - https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor/systemsmanagement:spacewalk:2.5 * The Salt part will be complicated to upstream. Redhat commits directly to it, but contributions go over Pull Requests. We introduced new frameworks, use Java 8, which conflicts with RHEL policy of supporting RHEL versions, one of those lack Java 8, etc. * Because our Java package collection is not maven bootstrapped, we have Java packages that are built in ways that are unusual for openSUSE: we build from source but using binary build dependencies, to avoid having to package the whole maven world. See https://github.com/moio/tetra * Eventually we may spend effort in opening our git tree and make a openSUSE version of SUSE Manager, kind of a new upstream, however that requires a considerable effort and requires some support from the community side as well. -- Duncan Mac-Vicar P. - http://www.suse.com/ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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