[opensuse-factory] Fwd: [opensuse-project] Packaging Kolab.org Groupware
Not everybody is on -project, so I thought it's worth to share this here.
As Georg Greve said in his talk at the last openSUSE Conference: Groupware
is the last of the three pillars of modern IT which Free Software isn't
covering very well (we've got Browsers and Office nailed). Kolab is the only
real free and open solution out there, and it's an incredibly good one. But
the downside is that it is big and not easy to deploy - that's where good,
quality packages matter. So, if you care about groupware & server things and
want to do a service to Software Freedom, chipping in here would really make
a difference!
And if you're looking for a Groupware solution at your job or for a client -
consider Kolab over the less-open (or closed) stuff, it's good AND a proper
Free Software project.
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Subject: [opensuse-project] Packaging Kolab.org Groupware
Date: Wednesday 20 March 2013, 17:49:44
From: Torsten Grote
Am 20.03.2013 19:37, schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
Not everybody is on -project, so I thought it's worth to share this here.
Kolab is the only real free and open solution out there
With this short sentence, you are alienating everyone working on the already packaged for openSUSE solutions which are readily available and shipped with 12.3. Good job :-) You are probably lucky that not everybody is on -project. -- Stefan Seyfried "If your lighter runs out of fluid or flint and stops making fire, and you can't be bothered to figure out about lighter fluid or flint, that is not Zippo's fault." -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 20 March 2013 19:56:12 Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 20.03.2013 19:37, schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
Not everybody is on -project, so I thought it's worth to share this here.
Kolab is the only real free and open solution out there
With this short sentence, you are alienating everyone working on the already packaged for openSUSE solutions which are readily available and shipped with 12.3.
Like what, are there other groupware solutions for linux which are real free software projects? Like, developed in the open, under a free license and all that? (I know there are some 'open core' or simply closed groupware solutions that happen to have 'open' in their name out there but I'm not even sure if we ship them...)
Good job :-)
You are probably lucky that not everybody is on -project.
Am 20.03.2013 20:31, schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
On Wednesday 20 March 2013 19:56:12 Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 20.03.2013 19:37, schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
Not everybody is on -project, so I thought it's worth to share this here.
Kolab is the only real free and open solution out there
With this short sentence, you are alienating everyone working on the already packaged for openSUSE solutions which are readily available and shipped with 12.3.
Like what, are there other groupware solutions for linux which are real free software projects? Like, developed in the open, under a free license and all that?
Yes. Horde, for example. susi:~ # zypper se horde|wc 110 987 13754 susi:~ # zypper se horde|head -10 Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Name | Summary | Type --+-------------------+---------------------------------------+-------- | horde5 | Horde Base Application | package | horde5-content | Horde Tagging support | package | horde5-gollem | Horde Gollem File Manager | package | horde5-imp | IMP - A web based webmailer | package | horde5-ingo | Ingo email filter rules manager | package
(I know there are some 'open core' or simply closed groupware solutions that happen to have 'open' in their name out there but I'm not even sure if we ship them...)
Horde is GPLv2 IIRC, which should qualify as free license even for Georg Greve... -- Stefan Seyfried "If your lighter runs out of fluid or flint and stops making fire, and you can't be bothered to figure out about lighter fluid or flint, that is not Zippo's fault." -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
zimbra, for another ... https://blog.zimbra.com/blog/archives/2006/04/zimbra-mpl-and-the-gpl.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----Original Message----- From: darx@sent.com To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Fwd: [opensuse-project] Packaging Kolab.org Groupware Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:18:02 -0700 zimbra, for another ... https://blog.zimbra.com/blog/archives/2006/04/zimbra-mpl-and-the-gpl.html -----Original Message----- tine20 for another: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=network%3Agroupware% 3Atine20 And how about Zarafa ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Hans Witvliet
-----Original Message----- From: darx@sent.com To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Fwd: [opensuse-project] Packaging Kolab.org Groupware Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:18:02 -0700
zimbra, for another ... https://blog.zimbra.com/blog/archives/2006/04/zimbra-mpl-and-the-gpl.html
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tine20 for another: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=network%3Agroupware% 3Atine20
And how about Zarafa ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Sorry, I'm quite happy we ship other things and I shouldn't have said it that strongly. I shouldn't have missed Horde as I wrote about what we ship there for 11.4 if I recall. I wasn't aware it was a full groupware suite, thought it was mostly a web based mail frontend. I recall it was shipped as part of Kolab 2.x. As far as Zimbra and Tine are concerned - I was hinting at a preference we seem to have for more openly developed projects (eg MySQL vs MariaDB, LibreOffice vs OpenOffice.org). Kolab doesn't require a CLA and doesn't do code dumps, which is nice. No reason not to ship the other stuff or to deride the efforts there, sorry for the insensitivity. And I'd love to see not only Kolab but also Tine and Zimbra as part of the next openSUSE release. Would be nice to have groupware server stuff to talk about as a major feature ;-) /Jos -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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