[opensuse-factory] 11.0
I just installed 11.0 on my HP laptop. It was fast and clean. Updates went really well. I must have accidentally told it to do an upgrade rather than a fresh install because my and my wife's folders were still present. I had to make a login for her again post install but I just pointed the user manager to the old directory. No complaints. All joy. I will write later about my experience with installing 11.0 on a desktop machine that users an nvidia card. It will be about user complexity in trying to figure out which of the nvidia entries are correct as I obviously choose the wrong one and lost my graphics. Maybe some logic could figure out that for the user as to avoid user error in the selection. More later as time pemits. Cheers, Bob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Robert Lewis wrote:
I just installed 11.0 on my HP laptop. It was fast and clean. Updates went really well.
I must have accidentally told it to do an upgrade rather than a fresh install because my and my wife's folders were still present.
I had to make a login for her again post install but I just pointed the user manager to the old directory.
I had the opposite experience (nearly) ... I told it not to format the drive, but it did, anyway, but luckily I had backed up my home directories (one should always, obviously).
No complaints. All joy.
I will write later about my experience with installing 11.0 on a desktop machine that users an nvidia card. It will be about user complexity in trying to figure out which of the nvidia entries are correct as I obviously choose the wrong one and lost my graphics.
Maybe some logic could figure out that for the user as to avoid user error in the selection. More later as time pemits.
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Nathan Moschkin
Robert Lewis wrote:
I just installed 11.0 on my HP laptop. It was fast and clean. Updates went really well.
I must have accidentally told it to do an upgrade rather than a fresh install because my and my wife's folders were still present.
I had to make a login for her again post install but I just pointed the user manager to the old directory.
I had the opposite experience (nearly) ... I told it not to format the drive, but it did, anyway, but luckily I had backed up my home directories (one should always, obviously).
That should not happen in any case - I would like to see a complete bugreport with YaST log files so that our engineers can double check this, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
That should not happen in any case - I would like to see a complete bugreport with YaST log files so that our engineers can double check this,
Andreas
Oh dear. I didn't record the problem, and I've long since fixed it. What I can tell you is that I selected do not format the /home drive, but it did, anyway. And then, I restored from backup. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Nathan Moschkin
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
That should not happen in any case - I would like to see a complete bugreport with YaST log files so that our engineers can double check this,
Andreas
Oh dear. I didn't record the problem, and I've long since fixed it. What I can tell you is that I selected do not format the /home drive, but it did, anyway. And then, I restored from backup.
Next time please report it as bug. This is the first time I hear about this - so either you hit some strange corner case that few people run into or there's a user error. For the former case log files are essential - and for the later one they might help as well to see what confused you, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Nathan Moschkin pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
That should not happen in any case - I would like to see a complete bugreport with YaST log files so that our engineers can double check this,
Andreas
Oh dear. I didn't record the problem, and I've long since fixed it. What I can tell you is that I selected do not format the /home drive, but it did, anyway. And then, I restored from backup.
But there is no button for "do not format". You have to select the button to format the partition and select the filesystem type. Looks like you mistakenly selected the button -to- format the partition. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Ken Schneider wrote:
Nathan Moschkin pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
That should not happen in any case - I would like to see a complete bugreport with YaST log files so that our engineers can double check this,
Andreas
Oh dear. I didn't record the problem, and I've long since fixed it. What I can tell you is that I selected do not format the /home drive, but it did, anyway. And then, I restored from backup.
But there is no button for "do not format". You have to select the button to format the partition and select the filesystem type. Looks like you mistakenly selected the button -to- format the partition.
Maybe we should emphasize *this partition will be formatted* even more than just by using font-color=red next time :( Maybe also additional confirmation *Are you sure...* in Partitioning/Expert could help. Bye Lukas
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Maybe we should emphasize *this partition will be formatted* even more than just by using font-color=red next time :(
and remember that for ~10% of the population red is not seen as important ==John ff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
John ffitch wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Maybe we should emphasize *this partition will be formatted* even more than just by using font-color=red next time :(
and remember that for ~10% of the population red is not seen as important
And in particular to the colour blind. Ciao. -- It's not possible to operate honestly using a basis of dishonesty. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
John ffitch wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Maybe we should emphasize *this partition will be formatted* even more than just by using font-color=red next time :(
and remember that for ~10% of the population red is not seen as important
On the other hand, how many users of "other" operating systems don't even read warning or error messages and just blindly hit the Enter key? L.
On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 13:44 +0100, John ffitch wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Maybe we should emphasize *this partition will be formatted* even more than just by using font-color=red next time :(
and remember that for ~10% of the population red is not seen as important
And ~10% of the population is red-green colorblind, and thus can't see red anyway. It's not "not seen as important", it's not seen AT ALL. Using color alone to distinguish text is never a good idea. - Jon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Jonathan Pryor wrote:
On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 13:44 +0100, John ffitch wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Maybe we should emphasize *this partition will be formatted* even more than just by using font-color=red next time :(
and remember that for ~10% of the population red is not seen as important
And ~10% of the population is red-green colorblind, and thus can't see red anyway. It's not "not seen as important", it's not seen AT ALL.
Using color alone to distinguish text is never a good idea.
OK, so we have better use: * Different font weight * Different font color * Confirmation if any data-loss is possible Anything else? Thx Lukas
On 2008/06/26 15:23 (GMT+0200) Lukas Ocilka apparently typed:
Jonathan Pryor wrote:
Using color alone to distinguish text is never a good idea.
OK, so we have better use:
* Different font weight * Different font color * Confirmation if any data-loss is possible
Anything else?
Forget color except if you add an image representing some kind of danger symbol then use red for it if you want. Don't make any text red. Italic is also bad unless the font size is large, so make the text stand out in bold for partitions to be formatted, and maybe even make the size larger than for those not to be formatted. -- "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?" Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Felix Miata pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On 2008/06/26 15:23 (GMT+0200) Lukas Ocilka apparently typed:
Jonathan Pryor wrote:
Using color alone to distinguish text is never a good idea.
OK, so we have better use:
* Different font weight * Different font color * Confirmation if any data-loss is possible
Anything else?
Forget color except if you add an image representing some kind of danger symbol then use red for it if you want. Don't make any text red. Italic is also bad unless the font size is large, so make the text stand out in bold for partitions to be formatted, and maybe even make the size larger than for those not to be formatted.
So... We want bold italic red flashing glitter. :-)) -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 2008/06/26 11:31 (GMT-0400) Ken Schneider apparently typed:
So...
We want bold italic red flashing glitter. :-))
We who? O_O -- "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?" Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Felix Miata napsal(a): | On 2008/06/26 15:23 (GMT+0200) Lukas Ocilka apparently typed: | |> Jonathan Pryor wrote: | |>> Using color alone to distinguish text is never a good idea. | |> OK, so we have better use: | |> * Different font weight |> * Different font color |> * Confirmation if any data-loss is possible | |> Anything else? | | Forget color except if you add an image representing some kind of danger | symbol then use red for it if you want. Don't make any text red. Italic is | also bad unless the font size is large, so make the text stand out in bold | for partitions to be formatted, and maybe even make the size larger than for | those not to be formatted. I'm afraid that not *all* people are color-blind... L. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhj9hQACgkQVSqMdRCqTizDdwCfRwF6uIMyhnnCVORaNO935rLk H9cAn03nt8xbb/kBcbswBqLcEF2PoWaK =MzwS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 June 2008 13:03, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
...
I'm afraid that not *all* people are color-blind...
Afraid?? RRS --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Randall R Schulz pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Thursday 26 June 2008 13:03, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
...
I'm afraid that not *all* people are color-blind...
Afraid??
Only of the ones that are *not*. :-) -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 June 2008 21:03:32 Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Felix Miata napsal(a): | On 2008/06/26 15:23 (GMT+0200) Lukas Ocilka apparently typed: |> Jonathan Pryor wrote: |>> Using color alone to distinguish text is never a good idea. |> |> OK, so we have better use: |> |> * Different font weight |> * Different font color |> * Confirmation if any data-loss is possible |> |> Anything else? | | Forget color except if you add an image representing some kind of danger | symbol then use red for it if you want. Don't make any text red. Italic | is also bad unless the font size is large, so make the text stand out in | bold for partitions to be formatted, and maybe even make the size larger
than for
| those not to be formatted.
I'm afraid that not *all* people are color-blind...
L. Hi Lukas
Not all, but hopefully enough to count! Forgetting the silly suggestions, I think for someone who can't really see red text in a mass of information like the partitioner, bolded or enlarged text should be used. Maybe with a confirmation before commiting, but we have to be careful not to over warn. I noticed on the partitioner earlier, when you delete a partition (as I tested with my HP_RECOVERY partiton), the partition is immediately removed from the screen, even though it still exists on disk, and I was able to cancel safely. This isn't good feedback to the user, and suggests that what they have done is immediate, even though the change hasn't been commited. I might have to file this as a seperate problem on bugzilla, away from the colour thing. Cheers Pete --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 2008/06/26 22:05 (GMT+0100) Pete Connolly apparently typed:
I noticed on the partitioner earlier, when you delete a partition (as I tested with my HP_RECOVERY partiton), the partition is immediately removed from the screen, even though it still exists on disk, and I was able to cancel safely. This isn't good feedback to the user, and suggests that what they have done is immediate, even though the change hasn't been commited. I might have to file this as a seperate problem on bugzilla, away from the colour thing.
I'm sure if you do it will get dismissed, either WONTFIX or INVALID. Nothing gets written to disk until the whole plan is mapped and you click OK to proceed with the installation, _after_ you're done with package selection, to confirm all that went before is what you really want to do. -- "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?" Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 June 2008 22:17:48 Felix Miata wrote:
On 2008/06/26 22:05 (GMT+0100) Pete Connolly apparently typed:
I noticed on the partitioner earlier, when you delete a partition (as I tested with my HP_RECOVERY partiton), the partition is immediately removed from the screen, even though it still exists on disk, and I was able to cancel safely. This isn't good feedback to the user, and suggests that what they have done is immediate, even though the change hasn't been commited. I might have to file this as a seperate problem on bugzilla, away from the colour thing.
I'm sure if you do it will get dismissed, either WONTFIX or INVALID. Nothing gets written to disk until the whole plan is mapped and you click OK to proceed with the installation, _after_ you're done with package selection, to confirm all that went before is what you really want to do.
Hi Felix Possibly - the whole partitioning process is preceded by a suitable warning that you should be an expert in disk organsiation prior to using it, but I still think keeping deleted partitions in the list, flagged as "about to be deleted", would be a fairly simple change and one that helps even an expert user. I'll file a bug tomorrow and see what happens. Lets hope you're wrong :) Cheers Pete --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2008-06-26 at 22:36 +0100, Pete Connolly wrote:
On Thursday 26 June 2008 22:17:48 Felix Miata wrote:
On 2008/06/26 22:05 (GMT+0100) Pete Connolly apparently typed:
I noticed on the partitioner earlier, when you delete a partition (as I tested with my HP_RECOVERY partiton), the partition is immediately removed from the screen, even though it still exists on disk, and I was able to cancel safely. This isn't good feedback to the user, and suggests that what they have done is immediate, even though the change hasn't been commited. I might have to file this as a seperate problem on bugzilla, away from the colour thing.
I'm sure if you do it will get dismissed, either WONTFIX or INVALID. Nothing gets written to disk until the whole plan is mapped and you click OK to proceed with the installation, _after_ you're done with package selection, to confirm all that went before is what you really want to do.
Hi Felix
Possibly - the whole partitioning process is preceded by a suitable warning that you should be an expert in disk organsiation prior to using it, but I still think keeping deleted partitions in the list, flagged as "about to be deleted", would be a fairly simple change and one that helps even an expert user.
I'll file a bug tomorrow and see what happens. Lets hope you're wrong :)
Normal usage on most partitioners is not to write changes till the end. You delete and add or modify partitions, and nothing is done till you say "write". If you abort, then nothing is done. I would "hate" seeing "to be deleted" partitions still around confusing me when I want to add new partitions. After all, the expert partitioner is for experts, and the humble expert in me finds it very clear as it is now. More clutter would not be useful. O:-) Partitions to be formatted are marked with "F", by the way. Good enough. Perhaps what could be added is a button to present a list of changes: these are going to be deleted, these are going to be created, these are going to be formatted, etc. The window exists, in a fashion, it displays automatically when you say "go ahead". - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIZDBWtTMYHG2NR9URArJ0AJ936Jx/nhb6+pWkGKm/OeoLdBa33ACcDM+Q SpCXWZBodW26HcpIrWmo9BQ= =3HwW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Pete Connolly wrote:
On Thursday 26 June 2008 21:03:32 Lukas Ocilka wrote:
I'm afraid that not *all* people are color-blind...
Tags: irony :) ;) Sorry for that.
Not all, but hopefully enough to count! Forgetting the silly suggestions, I think for someone who can't really see red text in a mass of information like the partitioner, bolded or enlarged text should be used. Maybe with a confirmation before commiting, but we have to be careful not to over warn.
Exactly! BTW: Qt4 installation uses a special feature: Stylesheets. In my opinion, there could be an option when starting the installation VisuallyImpaired=1 that would make installation use another style specially modified for such people (Just another idea how to solve it).
I noticed on the partitioner earlier, when you delete a partition (as I tested with my HP_RECOVERY partiton), the partition is immediately removed from the screen, even though it still exists on disk, and I was able to cancel safely. This isn't good feedback to the user, and suggests that what they have done is immediate, even though the change hasn't been commited. I might have to file this as a seperate problem on bugzilla, away from the colour thing.
Well, that's actually a feature. Partitioner (and other modules either) don't proceed unless you confirm the installation/upgrade. On the other hand, you can always go back and, for instance, reread the 'current' partitioning and start from the beginning again. Maybe it could create a queue of operations to be done (visible for users) the same way as Partition Magic does that (or did? I haven't seem PM for ages :)...). But this sound like another issue and it would be better to start another thread. Bye Lukas
On Friday 27 June 2008 15:06:39 Lukas Ocilka wrote:
BTW: Qt4 installation uses a special feature: Stylesheets. In my opinion, there could be an option when starting the installation VisuallyImpaired=1 that would make installation use another style specially modified for such people (Just another idea how to solve it).
I think this is a bad idea. I am red-green colour blind, but that doesn't mean I am otherwise visually impaired. Some people see very poorly, so they want/need high contrast images and extra large text. I would break the installation immediately if I got that. So please just drop colour coding, and don't group us colour blind people in with the really visually impaired. Just remember: colour coding *alone* is always, always a bad idea. Anders --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Anders Johansson schrieb: | On Friday 27 June 2008 15:06:39 Lukas Ocilka wrote: |> BTW: Qt4 installation uses a special feature: Stylesheets. In my |> opinion, there could be an option when starting the installation |> VisuallyImpaired=1 that would make installation use another style |> specially modified for such people (Just another idea how to solve it). | | I think this is a bad idea. I am red-green colour blind, but that doesn't mean | I am otherwise visually impaired. | | Some people see very poorly, so they want/need high contrast images and extra | large text. I would break the installation immediately if I got that. | | So please just drop colour coding, and don't group us colour blind people in | with the really visually impaired. | | Just remember: colour coding *alone* is always, always a bad idea. | | Anders +1 Geez, just talk to someone who has a clue instead of just making some weird hypothesis. | --------------------------------------------------------------------- | To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org | For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org | | | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIZXg5aQ44ga2xxAoRAhHqAJ9scB9wltIKxank55lEPsRC2vVQUACgl0Vq UoAu3pKq/F76iceHmpPTT7Q= =nfQ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2008-06-28 at 01:15 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Friday 27 June 2008 15:06:39 Lukas Ocilka wrote:
BTW: Qt4 installation uses a special feature: Stylesheets. In my opinion, there could be an option when starting the installation VisuallyImpaired=1 that would make installation use another style specially modified for such people (Just another idea how to solve it).
I think this is a bad idea. I am red-green colour blind, but that doesn't mean I am otherwise visually impaired.
Some people see very poorly, so they want/need high contrast images and extra large text. I would break the installation immediately if I got that.
So please just drop colour coding, and don't group us colour blind people in with the really visually impaired.
Well, then use a style for "NoColour" and another for "VisuallyImpaired".
Just remember: colour coding *alone* is always, always a bad idea.
IMO, the alternative of not using colour coding at all would also be bad, for the rest of us. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIZ2b9tTMYHG2NR9URAqUyAJ9nZx+N8AaoHGwuRE+dK0ZGdwLu7gCgjefm wADZcpdZn7pDcm69LFvP39k= =FW2k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 29 June 2008 12:42:01 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Just remember: colour coding *alone* is always, always a bad idea.
IMO, the alternative of not using colour coding at all would also be bad, for the rest of us.
The alternative to "use colour coding alone and nothing else" is not "don't use colour coding at all". It should simply not be the only visual cue that something is going on. If the only difference between a stop sign and another road sign were the colour, we would have far more accidents on the streets. Instead, it is a completely different shape, and has text in it. Colour coding *alone* is always a bad idea Anders --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Jonathan Pryor wrote:
On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 13:44 +0100, John ffitch wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Maybe we should emphasize *this partition will be formatted* even more than just by using font-color=red next time :(
and remember that for ~10% of the population red is not seen as important
And ~10% of the population is red-green colorblind, and thus can't see red anyway. It's not "not seen as important", it's not seen AT ALL.
Using color alone to distinguish text is never a good idea.
OK, so we have better use:
* Different font weight * Different font color * Confirmation if any data-loss is possible
Anything else?
Thx Lukas
Make the wording blink. Ciao. -- It's not possible to operate honestly using a basis of dishonesty. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
Lukas Ocilka wrote:
OK, so we have better use:
* Different font weight * Different font color * Confirmation if any data-loss is possible
Anything else?
Thx Lukas
Make the wording blink.
Could we, please, stop inviting more and more crazy ideas how to make installation (and particularly Storage) uneasy to use? Let's stop and think about it in a way that is has to be: 1.) Still nice ;) for all 2.) Understandable for all 3.) Easy to read for disabled people There's not need to make red-bold-italic text blink screaming with a warning siren. Even if it would be definitely noticed by color-blind or partially blind people, it could, on the other hand, be 'very disturbing' for epileptic ones. Moreover, even if one feature (e.g., red text) is not useful for people with disabilities (color-blind), it doesn't mean we can't use that feature (not *everybody* is color-blind). There are much easier possibilities: 1.) Proper usage of headers in summaries 2.) Icons 3.) Understandably structured text 4.) Sorting according to importance (important ones first) Example: ------------------------------------------------------ *Partitioning Summary* ====================== [icon w] *Warning: These partitions will be removed* * <red>/dev/sda6</red> [icon w] *Warning: These partitions will be formated* * <red>/dev/sdb4</red> [icon n] *Mount points* * /dev/sda1 mounted as swap * /dev/sdb1 mounted as "/" * /dev/sda2 mounted as "/home" ------------------------------------------------------ Bye Lukas
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2008-06-27 at 14:56 +0200, Lukas Ocilka wrote: ...
There are much easier possibilities:
1.) Proper usage of headers in summaries 2.) Icons 3.) Understandably structured text 4.) Sorting according to importance (important ones first)
Example: ------------------------------------------------------
*Partitioning Summary*
I like this. If you also make the summary accesable via a menu or button, aside from "commit", so that we can see what changes we already made and add more or abort or whatever, that would also be nice. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIZ2hUtTMYHG2NR9URAswrAJ4hzQEEDP8/YCb/ESilWpsvD+ld8wCgjpEC 7K0XAxEe+x1XK7VmkhqWSz8= =vrdd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 June 2008 13:40:21 Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
Nathan Moschkin pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
That should not happen in any case - I would like to see a complete bugreport with YaST log files so that our engineers can double check this,
Andreas
Oh dear. I didn't record the problem, and I've long since fixed it. What I can tell you is that I selected do not format the /home drive, but it did, anyway. And then, I restored from backup.
But there is no button for "do not format". You have to select the button to format the partition and select the filesystem type. Looks like you mistakenly selected the button -to- format the partition.
Maybe we should emphasize *this partition will be formatted* even more than just by using font-color=red next time :(
It's red? I've never seen that in the 100s of installs that I've done. (Red green colour blindness)
Maybe also additional confirmation *Are you sure...* in Partitioning/Expert could help.
Could you not just make it bold/italic as well as red?
Bye Lukas
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Pete Connolly pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Thursday 26 June 2008 13:40:21 Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
That should not happen in any case - I would like to see a complete bugreport with YaST log files so that our engineers can double check this,
Andreas Oh dear. I didn't record the problem, and I've long since fixed it. What I can tell you is that I selected do not format the /home drive, but it did, anyway. And then, I restored from backup. But there is no button for "do not format". You have to select the button to format the partition and select the filesystem type. Looks
Nathan Moschkin pecked at the keyboard and wrote: like you mistakenly selected the button -to- format the partition. Maybe we should emphasize *this partition will be formatted* even more
Ken Schneider wrote: than just by using font-color=red next time :(
It's red? I've never seen that in the 100s of installs that I've done. (Red green colour blindness)
Maybe also additional confirmation *Are you sure...* in Partitioning/Expert could help.
Could you not just make it bold/italic as well as red?
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I must have accidentally told it to do an upgrade rather than a fresh install because my and my wife's folders were still present.
I don't think you did something wrong. If a previous installation of opensuse was present, the installer formatted / and kept /swap and /home.
I will write later about my experience with installing 11.0 on a desktop machine that users an nvidia card. It will be about user complexity in trying to figure out which of the nvidia entries are correct as I obviously choose the wrong one and lost my graphics.
There are two choices ( http://en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA ): recent and legacy cards. Just check the card list and select the appropriate driver :-) Regards, Alberto --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 09:56:47PM -0500, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
I will write later about my experience with installing 11.0 on a desktop machine that users an nvidia card. It will be about user complexity in trying to figure out which of the nvidia entries are correct as I obviously choose the wrong one and lost my graphics.
There are two choices ( http://en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA ): recent and legacy cards. Just check the card list and select the appropriate driver :-)
Since openSUSE 11.0 this is no longer necessary. The appropriate NVIDIA packages will be autoselected by YaST2 right after adding the repo. If no additional packages are autoselected, your card is not supported by the driver (RPMs). So this is - thanks to the community repo list - now as easy as the 1-click-install and much more safer. Best regards, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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