There's way too much software for ths crap. Wouldn't it be easier to completly nuke all that stuff from the distro and make a small agent in python (with gui for QT and GTK+) to replace this ? :) I mean for GNOME is quite trivial and I assume it's the same for KDE :) People are probably loosing more time fixing stuff in several packages than writting a simple agent that works as we want. 2012/8/24 Will Stephenson :

On Thursday 23 Aug 2012 20:47:07 Dominik Baumann wrote:

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first: sorry for inducing such a long thread, hope it wasn't in vain at the end ;-)

On 18.08.2012 07:42, Will Stephenson wrote:

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I've been silently going ballistic :). It's buggy but throwing it out without fixing the bugs gives no way for a regular user to install updates without becoming root, as Martin points out.

Don't understand that: Both apper and yast ask me to authenticate as root when i want to install updates, so i see no advantage for apper here.

From polkit-default-privs changelog: * Thu Jul 12 2012 meissner@suse.com - allow logged in users to update the system via online updates. bnc#771189

If it's not working for you-> BUG^.

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On 17.08.2012 15:35, Martin Schlander wrote:

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Removing Apper means having no updater applet, no notification about available updates. There's no alternative to Apper for this.

In my opinion notifications don't help a lot when apper isn't able to install the notified updates (the buggy behaviour mentioned in my original post i can't reproduce now, but instead bug [1] appeares again).

I guess you mean our equivalent bug report? https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=737618 Is this still valid for 12.2? If so it must be moved to 12.2 so we know about it. Personally, I haven't seen it at all there.

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Shouldn't it be easy for someone who knows how to access the notification area, to do something similar to the following crontab entry?:

10 10 * * 2 ( export DISPLAY=:0 ; kdialog --msgbox "`zypper --quiet patch-check`" )

Sadly it's not that simple, which is why utilities like Apper are needed.

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* Cristian Morales Vega [2012-08-24 19:12]:

On 24 August 2012 16:38, Nelson Marques wrote:

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There's way too much software for ths crap. Wouldn't it be easier to completly nuke all that stuff from the distro and make a small agent in python (with gui for QT and GTK+) to replace this ? :)

I mean for GNOME is quite trivial and I assume it's the same for KDE :) People are probably loosing more time fixing stuff in several packages than writting a simple agent that works as we want.

- We want PackageKit because it's good for Linux to have a standard API for package management. That has allowed, for example, GStreamer to install missing codecs in a distro independent way. - Apper and the rest of PackageKit frontends come to us for free thanks to PackageKit being distro independent and these frontends being developed somewhere else.

...we just need to do a single piece: the glue between PackageKit and ZYpp.

Well, to be fair, we had a distro-dependent codec search before PackageKit and in contrast to Redhat where PK originates, we also have a native graphical package manager and updater with frontends for both GTK and Qt. So for openSUSE the benefits of PK are rather marginal while it adds additional workload maintaining the backend, a layer of significant complexity and potential source of bugs. I also find it unfortunate that rather than fixing the underlying problem (namely doing away the deb/rpm format which is stuck in the early 90s) it is plastered over by adding ever new layers on top of it. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am Freitag, 24. August 2012, 16:44:35 schrieb Will Stephenson:

I guess you mean our equivalent bug report? https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=737618 Is this still valid for 12.2? If so it must be moved to 12.2 so we know about it. Personally, I haven't seen it at all there.

Could this be because it only happens if patches are installed and there are none yet for 12.2? Maybe it happens because there is no rpm but just a delta downloaded. Just a guess. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Hi On 08/24/2012 04:44 PM, Will Stephenson wrote:

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Don't understand that: Both apper and yast ask me to authenticate as root when i want to install updates, so i see no advantage for apper here.

If it's not working for you-> BUG^.

You are right, actually it doesn't ask for authentication anymore.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=737618 Is this still valid for 12.2?

Tried to reproduce with a fresh installation, but unfortunately i can't reproduce it now, but have a new misbehaviour already again (seems apper doesn't like me :-( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=777938 db -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org