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Simon Becherer

4 Nov 2017 4 Nov '17

16:51

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, after update from today (20171102) after logging into kde i got a message: "i-bus aktualisiert" "super + leerzeichen ist nun der standart hotkey" in english something like: i-bus is now up to date super + space is now the normal hotkey what should this message tell me? a) what is i-bus? b) which key is "super"? c) why should i use this key kombination - what will happend then? thanks, simoN - -- B e c h e r e r GmbH Sondermaschinenbau Mauermatten Strasse 22 79183 Waldkirch Germany Tel.: (+49) (0)7681 3134 Fax: (+49) (0)7681 4378 Mail: info@becherer.de Web: www.becherer.de USt-ID-Nr.: DE 814912198 Registergericht: Freiburg HRB 701860 Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. (FH), EWE Simon H. Becherer Gerichtsstand / Sitz: Waldkirch Es gelten ausschließlich unsere allgemeinen Liefer- und Zahlungsbedingungen / Einkaufsbedingungen: www.becherer.de/AGB -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJZ/fAiAAoJEOuDxDCJWQG+dcwQAJ1nW6hqOOW8VnhDE/uTl++U 5aPsxOl9sfEjjfWkXvhoCeu8jap7MJmGt/dy3UIOvtxnrnlmmr8G0FQVqBYDY8SP /dCtvR9qwgZGs66aqcpubK3z0V47uQ9IjoDlWgo8DVuRjRMTcGD5YLQYZwgtuX7f aeU0t0R7oih/zUl+es7nRnn70J506aNkY3JJR04CLpxlacPiQgxJZAP6UTTUS8TH JzLmoEQKG0heWbIHNJfxNqBHp8z4iHcU2D99HAKpSfkonA/l+5CpyG1hdciw2JYd s05J3s7Y/co59dJ7t6BmiJZtfoyg/2rKV+6EW5ncIAP0D6WV+GdHmA5D9y25l70+ 5PqOtEZFqCvR4dY/YOnuX/nKVAUhURs8QP6vaIiPjpcIwamYy6r9hyXAYs6hrDvm alHGmNTUz1+rd2+se3EV72Dmim9zKOFO01InT2w66vk0JAbs2kQRIYRz2Lh3AcP3 tLwRGM3H3tu5xLshNA3GE0fV4ivKt6G/ffG0/7WGjr9l4Ok/pr+b6OBzA4vBT3Io 9BiwrCShmMhXdlfk+zI9dUkWmSY03zUZ9lMaqpL0uTW13CJjRZ5qbybF3ik5pSVu Ml5rqxeGG8ueSeRM+xzU+QpjZBoc/bmd+jI6erOLRmEQcqZjpg2uFAQDbj4mx6bg 7iAtwUvXEf0SKgYbf3yh =Oo2P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Tom Hardy

4 Nov 4 Nov

17:23

On Saturday, 4 November 2017 11:51:46 CDT Simon Becherer wrote:

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a) what is i-bus? b) which key is "super"? c) why should i use this key kombination - what will happend then?

I have similar questions. I-Bus is input bus? I don't know the super key. I've now got I-Bus side by side with KDE's keyboard layouts in the system tray. Should I use it in preference to KDE's version? -- Tom Hardy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Frank Krüger

17:30

Am 04.11.2017 um 18:23 schrieb Tom Hardy:

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On Saturday, 4 November 2017 11:51:46 CDT Simon Becherer wrote:

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a) what is i-bus? b) which key is "super"? c) why should i use this key kombination - what will happend then?

I have similar questions. I-Bus is input bus? I don't know the super key. I've now got I-Bus side by side with KDE's keyboard layouts in the system tray. Should I use it in preference to KDE's version?

This issue has already been discussed, see, e.g., https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-10/msg00691.html Regards, Frank -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Simon Becherer

18:08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi fank, sorry i have read the old mails, but still my questions are not anwered, (i am mailnly a user) a) what is i-bus? - has someting to do with keyboard input (as i read inside the old mails) b) which key is "super" ????????? c) why should i use this key kombination - what will happend then? ?????? ... i do not touch key kombinations on my computers when i do not know what they are fore.... .. and if its is "standart" in opensuse now i do not like to uninsall or remove. because: i recogniced in last 10? years of suse 9.x to today "try to customise as less as possible to avoid problems when updating...." regards simoN Am 04.11.2017 um 18:30 schrieb Frank Krüger:

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Am 04.11.2017 um 18:23 schrieb Tom Hardy:

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On Saturday, 4 November 2017 11:51:46 CDT Simon Becherer wrote:

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a) what is i-bus? b) which key is "super"? c) why should i use this key kombination - what will happend then?

I have similar questions. I-Bus is input bus? I don't know the super key. I've now got I-Bus side by side with KDE's keyboard layouts in the system tray. Should I use it in preference to KDE's version?

This issue has already been discussed, see, e.g., https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-10/msg00691.html

Regards, Frank

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Tom Hardy

18:20

On Saturday, 4 November 2017 12:30:54 CDT Frank Krüger wrote:

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This issue has already been discussed, see, e.g., https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-10/msg00691.html

Looks like the best discussion was subthreads under "New Tumbleweed snapshot 20171022 released!" libibus is a KDE requirement. Ibus does not resect KDE system settings. Ibus is more generalized and capable. I think I'll keep it and remove the KDE icon. I still don't know what the "super" key is. -- Tom Hardy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

18:23

* Tom Hardy [11-04-17 14:21]:

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On Saturday, 4 November 2017 12:30:54 CDT Frank Krüger wrote:

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This issue has already been discussed, see, e.g., https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-10/msg00691.html

Looks like the best discussion was subthreads under "New Tumbleweed snapshot 20171022 released!"

libibus is a KDE requirement. Ibus does not resect KDE system settings. Ibus is more generalized and capable. I think I'll keep it and remove the KDE icon. I still don't know what the "super" key is.

you don't have google available? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Tom Hardy

18:29

On Saturday, 4 November 2017 13:23:13 CDT Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Tom Hardy [11-04-17 14:21]:

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On Saturday, 4 November 2017 12:30:54 CDT Frank Krüger wrote:

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This issue has already been discussed, see, e.g., https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-10/msg00691.html

Looks like the best discussion was subthreads under "New Tumbleweed snapshot 20171022 released!"

libibus is a KDE requirement. Ibus does not resect KDE system settings. Ibus is more generalized and capable. I think I'll keep it and remove the KDE icon. I still don't know what the "super" key is.

you don't have google available?

I'll get around to it!, as I just decided to keep ibus! Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing discussion of ibus vs KDE ketboard layouts, and what the future holds for KDE. -- Tom Hardy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Simon Becherer

18:57

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi thom, as i am a stupid user it would make me happy if questions in mailing lists would be answered directly (by people who know the answer) not answering in a "general hint" i tried your suggestion googleing "super key" (and i have had succes anyway of your "general hint" so you helped me (party) thanks :-)) from google: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_key_%28keyboard_button%29 The Super key refers to several different keys throughout keyboard history. Originally the Super key was a modifier key on the Space-cadet keyboard. Recently "Super key" has become an alternative name for the Windows key when using Linux or BSD operating systems or software that originated on these systems https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/keyboard-key-super.html.en you have an Apple keyboard, you will have a ⌘ (Command) key instead of the Windows key, while Chromebooks have a magnifying glass instead. BUT sorry, not on all my systems present: as i read this correct, super key IS "windows key" i tried on one system with new keyboard (and tumbleweed) the windows key and the space key. here i am now able to switch between 2 languages for keyboard input german and english. what about my "cherry gold plated-layer keyboard" = made in west-germany = artikle nr. G81-3000 HAD/11 serial no.:048122 c39 = without "€" symbol and without "windows" key (its about 20 years old) (in near future there will be also tubleweed on such a pc-keyboard combinations) by the way i will never change this type of keyboard to a newer one (at my personaly everyday used computer). with this HEAVY board you can still kill somebody ;-))) there is is STEEL inside and as mentioned, gold... ;-)))) newer keyboards HAVE windows keys, I USE open-surce LINUX!! as for now, no need for a windows symbol on my (private) keyboard!!!! thanks, simoN Am 04.11.2017 um 19:23 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

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* Tom Hardy [11-04-17 14:21]:

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On Saturday, 4 November 2017 12:30:54 CDT Frank Krüger wrote:

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This issue has already been discussed, see, e.g., https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-10/msg00691.html

Looks like the best discussion was subthreads under "New Tumbleweed snapshot 20171022 released!"

libibus is a KDE requirement. Ibus does not resect KDE system settings. Ibus is more generalized and capable. I think I'll keep it and remove the KDE icon. I still don't know what the "super" key is.

you don't have google available?

- -- B e c h e r e r GmbH Sondermaschinenbau Mauermatten Strasse 22 79183 Waldkirch Germany Tel.: (+49) (0)7681 3134 Fax: (+49) (0)7681 4378 Mail: info@becherer.de Web: www.becherer.de USt-ID-Nr.: DE 814912198 Registergericht: Freiburg HRB 701860 Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. (FH), EWE Simon H. Becherer Gerichtsstand / Sitz: Waldkirch Es gelten ausschließlich unsere allgemeinen Liefer- und Zahlungsbedingungen / Einkaufsbedingungen: www.becherer.de/AGB -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJZ/g2LAAoJEOuDxDCJWQG+aL8QALiG/abUJg4uCutRWttLAdJ2 UzQIyZShT9Cx80cTVCXB3RZ3wUi/oXSnA0pEoldpfTjyw0uKkdQhsQcS+jhGJqG9 8k/MjwGTVLFzRxLLVdTljBPkWer391ALF263g1W3jobYQ7Rtt7c2PW+AV7yO+AlN Hp8R/zFgGncBhspmNcx+efrJRyiFZSnrFRHgholyFpCVCThGc7WcnaMJVoRAdbZO 9c5+2Eh4HKs1LEG5/WUsBvEhJloXyQTD3NgkDpEbERTMoZFkcIc+QKtLDHPo2xva 0X72uE7tHyGjDUlrrxLsMCL1cWPIHRw/2y67lzekcqrKSybgh2P4CqD75RNVAx/4 l3l+p0PYrcRYw4PGWexGPb1l28YZN+JqnG2o+LFot1KbXVUwKQLJpb9Ee+mjHMqx lnU6ndd5DeIOcj0wA4hxAqdOYlchTUqwdJ/RvuXs6TqazzfLD4byWwvOR/XjIS/G 5Fzp87VHYmsWkJFF7B7KY1QjmS5VtJbwsthh33u+IzqXcjecNaNiH6izIfk8Twr2 RW/DGL5FYsJxKcaKt6rKFY37NBwVLrRbJBWYRcVTCJRo5qhOWG43p32KC8QOvmGJ QNg0GuHdaJh+E9lfqMZnsgqeRJzB07VuSWKOSeRkviEysiy2rfwMXCZhVrzWxUSy 4Cku41sXQvLsOaJhyrCz =zcjL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

20:41

* Simon Becherer [11-04-17 14:59]:

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Hi thom,

as i am a stupid user it would make me happy if questions in mailing lists would be answered directly (by people who know the answer) not answering in a "general hint"

i tried your suggestion googleing "super key" (and i have had succes anyway of your "general hint" so you helped me (party) thanks :-))

the more that you learn to help yourself, the less you will find it necessary to attribute incorrect posters with providing you the path to success. but you will be somewhat unhappy, but maybe not a"stupid user". -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Wolfgang Bauer

7 Nov 7 Nov

17:22

Am Samstag, 4. November 2017, 13:20:40 schrieb Tom Hardy:

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On Saturday, 4 November 2017 12:30:54 CDT Frank Krüger wrote:

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This issue has already been discussed, see, e.g., https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-10/msg00691.html

Looks like the best discussion was subthreads under "New Tumbleweed snapshot 20171022 released!"

libibus is a KDE requirement.

libibus is irrelevant here though. And ibus is not a KDE *requirement* at all. Actually it shouldn't even get installed in KDE, but libreoffice-gnome (used now in KDE too because libreoffice-kde4 has been dropped) pulls it in. It's only a supplement though (no hard requirement), so you can uninstall it (and/or prevent its installation) if you want. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Tom Hardy

19:56

On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 11:22:19 CST Wolfgang Bauer wrote:

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Am Samstag, 4. November 2017, 13:20:40 schrieb Tom Hardy:

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On Saturday, 4 November 2017 12:30:54 CDT Frank Krüger wrote:

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This issue has already been discussed, see, e.g., https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-10/msg00691.html

Looks like the best discussion was subthreads under "New Tumbleweed snapshot 20171022 released!"

libibus is a KDE requirement.

That is simply one of the facts I pulled from the mentioned thread.

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libibus is irrelevant here though.

But is it *completely* irrelevant, e.g., it would be nice to know in a technical sense if KDE keyboard layouts and ibus were using the same library behind the scenes. It would be a good thing if they are. Or else, what is libibus used for?

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And ibus is not a KDE *requirement* at all.

Actually it shouldn't even get installed in KDE, but libreoffice-gnome (used now in KDE too because libreoffice-kde4 has been dropped) pulls it in. It's only a supplement though (no hard requirement), so you can uninstall it (and/or prevent its installation) if you want.

Well, I like to be able to adjust my keyboard layouts, so which one should I use? -- Tom Hardy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Whittaker

21:16

On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 01:56:42PM -0600, Tom Hardy wrote: [...]

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Well, I like to be able to adjust my keyboard layouts, so which one should I use?

When I discovered I had both, I thought I would go with ibus, but then I discovered that kvkbd does not respond to it. So if you occasionally want to use an on-screen keyboard with KDE, do it the KDE way. -- ============================ Roger Whittaker roger@disruptive.org.uk ============================ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Wolfgang Bauer

21:36

Am Dienstag, 7. November 2017, 13:56:42 schrieb Tom Hardy:

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But is it *completely* irrelevant,

Yes. It doesn't allow you to switch your keyboard layout by itself, nor does it display any icon, and it doesn't require ibus installed or running at all either. The library (libibus) just allows an application (or the deskop) to interface with ibus if it's running. That's similar to libpulse that's required by many things, but you can still disable or uninstall pulseaudio itself and stick to plain ALSA if you prefer. And there are other examples as well... AFAIK, the only thing in Plasma that needs/uses libibus is the "kimpanel" (aka "A generic input method panel"), a plasmoid that allows to configure and use IMs like ibus, i.e. simply put it's a KDE frontend to ibus (and other IMs) that's shipped with Plasma. But that's nothing new at all, and not mandatory either.

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e.g., it would be nice to know in a technical sense if KDE keyboard layouts and ibus were using the same library behind the scenes.

KDE's keyboard layout switcher does not use libibus. It only interfaces with X itself.

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Well, I like to be able to adjust my keyboard layouts, so which one should I use?

Whichever you prefer, and there's also fcitx... ;-) . (I use neither of them) If you only want to switch the keyboard layout, KDE/Plasma's standard switcher should be good enough. But ibus is much more than a simple keyboard layout switcher. AIUI, it's main purpose is allowing to enter foreign (e.g. Asiatic) characters. Actually I don't even know the details myself as I never used it, but see here for a better explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Input_Bus To summarize: if you like ibus (and its features), use it. If you prefer the KDE switcher, just uninstall ibus (and lock it that it doesn't get installed again). In the end it's your choice though. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Tom Hardy

8 Nov 8 Nov

01:18

On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 15:36:50 CST Wolfgang Bauer wrote: [...]

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In the end it's your choice though.

Thank you. I could potentially want to use ibus because I know people from Tiawan, but that has never happened. On the other hand, I like kvkbd. OK, ibus is taboo. I banished parcellite akso. I looked at tracker, but that looks like a more complicated case. -- Tom Hardy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Zhao Qiang

06:08

On 2017年11月08日 09:18, Tom Hardy wrote:

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On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 15:36:50 CST Wolfgang Bauer wrote:

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In the end it's your choice though.

Thank you.

I could potentially want to use ibus because I know people from Tiawan, but that has never happened. On the other hand, I like kvkbd. OK, ibus is taboo. I banished parcellite akso. I looked at tracker, but that looks like a more complicated case.

Hi: ibus related issues is supposed to discuss in openSUSE-M17N mail-list, all the maintainer of localization is there. Thanks! https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-m17n/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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