On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 04:26:37PM +0200, Azerion wrote:

Op vrijdag 8 september 2006 16:19, schreef Alexey Eremenko:

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Hi all !

I would like to ask to start the BETA process of openSUSE 10.2 earlier.

Alpha4 now is stable enough to be almost BETA - a few fixes here and there and we are BETA-ready. I think it is not-needed to waste another month of time to get to Alpha5 and then BETA1.

I suggest, that, because we have almost-stable distro now, start the BETA process by end of this month (Sep, 2006), instead of end of next month, and make feature freeze earlier. So our BETA process will last 1 month longer, and in the end deadline (Dec,2006) we (Novell+Community) will be able to deliver a better and more stable OS for day-to-day use.

I want openSUSE 10.2 to be better tested than previous OSes: SUSE Linux 10.0 and 10.1.

What do you think?

As I said earlier. Being faster then the schedule does not mean you have to cut the schedule but that there is an opportunity to test thing "die hard" and fix also the smallest bugs/annoyings. Maybe openSUSE-project can even do some extra wishes if there is so much time left.

But I seems that 10.2 is right on schedule. Bet never laugh too fast, sometimes it backfires.

/me is gonna install alpha4 now.

History shows that the developers started to break the distro around Beta ... ;) (Well history changed a bit, but I think we should just keep to the schedule.) Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 18:21 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

On 9/8/06, Stephan Binner wrote:

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On Friday 08 September 2006 16:19, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

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I think it is not-needed to waste another month of time to get to Alpha5 and then BETA1. [..] and make feature freeze earlier.

So adding and completing features is a waste of time? Thanks for the laugh.

It is NOT waste of time, but having more stable community OS *is* more important than having 2 or 3 extra features in.

The features that are half-developed and unstable can be included in separate repository, after the OS release so you still be able to use them at your own risk. Pushing half-developed features into OS results in SUSE Linux 10.1 - both late and unstable OS.

And what is your _rush_ to get 10.2 released earlier? IIANM the schedule for a new release is now 9 months, instead of the 6 months that was in places for prior versions, so that more testing and bug fixing can take place (which is a good thing). Ken --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Alexey Eremenko escribió:

Pushing half-developed features into OS results in SUSE Linux 10.1 - both late and unstable OS.

10.1 is stable, the only problem it has (or had) is the persistent bugs in package manager stuff. still looking forward the new 10.1 ISOS..

Stephan Binner wrote:

On Friday 08 September 2006 18:21, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

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It is NOT waste of time, but having more stable community OS *is* more

If something needs more time to become stable then move back the release date but do not call for an immediate feature freeze which invalidates hundred people's current work and postpones their work to an autumn 2007 release.

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The features that are half-developed and unstable can be included in separate repository, after the OS release so you still be able to use them at your own risk.

I guess you have no imagination how integrated most of the features are. You cannot put those "simply into a separate repository".

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Pushing half-developed features into OS results in SUSE Linux 10.1 - both late and unstable OS.

The problem of 10.1 was that long time planned freezes were not ahered to, not that its feature freeze was not pulled forward.

Making the Beta phase longer at the expense of the Alpha phase is definitely NOT a way to go. Most of developers still don't have their features implemented according to the current plan. Shortening their time now could discourage them. I'd even vote for more Alpha releases or rather shortening the period between them. Maybe it would help more if people were better informed about new features in the 'current' release and they were asked to test them deeply. Lukas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org