On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 02:07:35PM +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote:

Am Sonntag, 11. März 2012, 16:32:24 schrieb Ilya Chernykh:

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I wonder how such behavior could make its way into release:

https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=476123 [ 8< ] polemic fart pruned Does it fail to update or what is this polemic mail about?

I guess the polemic is caused by his frustration. That might even explain why he didn't quote the bug ID. The issue is tracked by https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735016 And what Ilya has written is unfortunately true. I see the same from time to time while installing or updating packages from network:samba:STABLE The issue nevertheless doesn't justify the tone of the initial mail. Cheers, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

On Sunday 11 March 2012 18:24:08 Sven Burmeister wrote:

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I guess the polemic is caused by his frustration.

Frustration about what? Some cosmetic issue?

Well this very much affects users' impression. I personally use 12.1 but as I already said I want openSUSE to make good impression on another user whom I help.

As long as updating works and errors while refreshing repos are shown as well, this is a purely cosmetic issue, even more so since one can use YaST/Packagit to keep the system updated as well.

I do not think the Qt front-end to Yast has update feature. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Regarding video if it is shell / console stuff you wanna show to others please look into "script" utility "recording" of session script -tzypper.timing zypper.script "replay" of session scriptreplay -tzypper.timing zypper.script On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM, phanisvara das wrote:

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:58:56 +0530, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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I do not think the Qt front-end to Yast has update feature.

it's not called that, but if you choose the "repos" tab, then all packages in this list -> update if newer version available, you get the same functionality as "zypper up" -- with better readability for dependency problems & resolutions, if there are any.

-- phani.

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On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 20:10:00 +0530, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Sunday 11 March 2012 18:34:34 phanisvara das wrote:

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I do not think the Qt front-end to Yast has update feature.

it's not called that, but if you choose the "repos" tab, then all packages in this list -> update if newer version available, you get the same functionality as "zypper up" -- with better readability for dependency problems & resolutions, if there are any.

I think it does something different. zypper up does not update any packages on my system but this feature you pointed suggests to update 139 packages. I believe it tries to replace officiall packages with those from non-official repos.

only if you tell it to do so, via options -> allow vendor change, which isn't the default. if that's not chosen, as far as i know and experience, it does exactly the same as "zypper up". perhaps there's an option in /etc/zypp/zypp.conf as well, but by default yast software managmt. doesn't change vendor. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 01:49:22 +0400 Ilya Chernykh wrote:

options -> allow vendor change is unchecked. Still is suggests to change vendor. For example from openSUSE to Education.

Because there is no other solution. If it would be checked (allowed) it would not ask. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/12/2012 11:17 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

So I have manually reject all these "updates", all 139. Nice.

Can you explain what is the bug about and stop the sarcastic comments before any maintainer of the program loses interest in looking at this thread? Was it too hard to you to just write "Zypper eats previous lines in terminal" somewhere in this mail? If you look at the bug, the maintainer tried to reproduce the bug, and did not manage to reproduce it. That is all. -- Duncan Mac-Vicar P. - http://www.suse.com/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Ilya Chernykh (anixxsus@gmail.com) wrote:

On Monday 12 March 2012 14:32:15 Duncan Mac-Vicar P. wrote:

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If you look at the bug, the maintainer tried to reproduce the bug, and did not manage to reproduce it. That is all.

He uses English language openSUSE where the repositories only have English names. In Russian language edition official repositories have Russian names. When updating such repositories the previous lines get eaten. This also happens with sufficiently long English names, I think.

As I already pointed out in the bug, it also happens with yum on Fedora 15, with (short) English names. I guess it's possible that that's a different bug, but they do look very similar. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/03/12 21:45, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Monday 12 March 2012 14:32:15 Duncan Mac-Vicar P. wrote:

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If you look at the bug, the maintainer tried to reproduce the bug, and did not manage to reproduce it. That is all. He uses English language openSUSE where the repositories only have English names. In Russian language edition official repositories have Russian names. When updating such repositories the previous lines get eaten. This also happens with sufficiently long English names, I think.

Ilya, This whole thing is getting out of hand. You are using the 12.1 version of openSUSE which is fully in Russian - correct? When *YOU* try to use zypper in the *Russian* version of *12.1* you get the "lines being overwritten" - correct? Your friend is using the fully *English* version *11.4* of opeSUSE and NOT 12.1 and s/he is having no problems with using zypper and therefore the lines are not being overwritten - correct? You do not want to upgrade your friend to 12.1 because *YOU* who is using the Russian version of 12.1 is having the problem with lines being overwritten when using zypper (and you don't want openSUSE to look bad) - correct? Now, the only person who has a problem with zypper and overwitten lines is YOU who is using the Russian version - correct? Is this correct: you would like to upgrade your friend to openSUSE 12.1 of the *ENGLISH* version - correct? I am using the fully English version of 12.1 and I am not having this problem, and I use zypper at least once a day. As a matter of fact, I am currently running Milestone #1 of v12.2 wihtout a glitch in zypper. What makes you think that by upgrading your friend to 12.1 that s/he will have a problem with zypper? BC -- The vulgar crowd always is taken by appearances, and the world consists chiefly of the vulgar. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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Your friend is using the fully *English* version *11.4* of opeSUSE and NOT 12.1 and s/he is having no problems with using zypper and therefore the lines are not being overwritten - correct?

No, she is using Russian openSUSE as well. In 11.4 there is no such bug.

If only the Russian translations have a problem, I would have to guess the Russian translation messages were written on a Mac probably and only have an '\r' where an '\n' is required. I guess someone should check. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Lars Müller wrote:

By reading the bug report where this issue is tracked by.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735016

Can we all focus the bug tracking to bugzilla please?

Ah, sorry. I didn't know this thread was only for whining. I just wanted to throw in a little bit of usefulness into it. It did get to my inbox for something, I thought. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Monday 12 March 2012 16:32:38 Lars Müller wrote:

As the bug got filed against openSUSE 12.1 and the discussion¹ there also does not state this issue is visible in openSUSE Factory I've set To and Reply-To accordingly.

 This happens also with zypper head though, which is not included in 12.1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Sunday 11 March 2012 17:34:39 Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a DimStar wrote:

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I wonder how such behavior could make its way into release:

https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=476123

It makes impression that openSUSE is an unprofessional product with bugs in anywhere, even when conduncting simplies operations with zypper. The bug was introduced with transition from 11.4 to 12.1.

I have one openSUSE user to whom I help to use and maintain the system but this bug is the reason why I still di not upgrade their system to 12.1 Once they bsee such theings they will immediately think openSUSE is extremy buggy and not production-ready.

We could as well argue that YOU as part of the community did not do your assigned task and tested the product before it goes to the masses.

I think this still could be fixed before 12.2.

It's is *OUR* product, US, as this community! You feel part of it, don't you? So it's YOUR product as well, isn't it?

As for the bug: a link to the report is more helpful. It's rather useless for all of us to investigate the content of the tar file...

Please tell me what's the problem with viewing the video. Unfortunately this cannot be shown on a screenshot.

(Actually, in no case can you prove the absence of a bug in source)

Try to be more constructive in your mails, choose your words, especially if you want anybody to read your mails and maybe even to come to a solution with the problem stated. The wording make a huge difference in motivating volunteers to pick up that work, promised! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Sunday 11 March 2012 19:58:22 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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As for the bug: a link to the report is more helpful. It's rather useless for all of us to investigate the content of the tar file...

Please tell me what's the problem with viewing the video. Unfortunately this cannot be shown on a screenshot.

What video? I saw none. I saw a targz and I aborted immediately.

Do you prefer uncompressed videos?... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-03-11 22:47, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Sunday 11 March 2012 19:58:22 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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What video? I saw none. I saw a targz and I aborted immediately.

Do you prefer uncompressed videos?...

You don't see the problem. I don't like surprises. I expected a text of some kind explaining what the problem was, not a tar with unknown content. I did not know what to expect, I thought it would contain some logs files typical of bug reports as typical of bugzillas, which is more work for me to understand, if I lack a description of what to look for. So I stopped the download instantly and asked you for the bug report link, which you still have not provided, and Lars did. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9dL1IACgkQIvFNjefEBxrloQCgxxowq7Cn3QI2LBy8Z7KO4PBq spUAn2zMJoGNN8XhbEuyNyi+5VlPMLPF =IDor -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org