* alanbortu [10-06-14 18:46]:

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Can't you just run systemctl disable servicename to stop it from starting on reboot?

On 10/06/2014 08:58 AM, Freek de Kruijf wrote:

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As soon as I start my Laptop, as well as my dektop, PackageKit is running to update. In both cases it is not possible to stop PackageKit to stop, it is blocked by pid 8993. Restart does not help. André den Oudsten

You may try to stop and disable packagekit.service in systemd using systemctl. I did that and still could use apper to update the system. Don't how this behaves after a reboot.

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No, it is a "static" service, but it is possible to: rpm -e PackageKit PackageKit-backend-zypp PackageKit-branding-openSUSE apper -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* alanbortu [10-07-14 06:10]:

On 10/06/2014 10:09 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* alanbortu [10-06-14 18:46]: Can't you just run systemctl disable servicename to stop it from starting on reboot?

On 10/06/2014 08:58 AM, Freek de Kruijf wrote:

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Op maandag 6 oktober 2014 14:45:21 schreef A. den Oudsten:

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As soon as I start my Laptop, as well as my dektop, PackageKit is running to update. In both cases it is not possible to stop PackageKit to stop, it is blocked by pid 8993. Restart does not help. André den Oudsten

You may try to stop and disable packagekit.service in systemd using systemctl. I did that and still could use apper to update the system. Don't how this behaves after a reboot.

No, it is a "static" service, but it is possible to: rpm -e PackageKit PackageKit-backend-zypp PackageKit-branding-openSUSE apper

Okay thanks, good to know. I don't have it installed on my system so couldn't check it out. IIRC you can also disable via the services manager in the KDE settings.

I believe not, but if possible, I would really like to know. I do not see that option! -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Neil Rickert [10-07-14 09:27]:

On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 08:00:32 -0400 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Okay thanks, good to know. I don't have it installed on my system so couldn't check it out. IIRC you can also disable via the services manager in the KDE settings.

I believe not, but if possible, I would really like to know. I do not see that option!

I'll note that packagekitd is not running on my system, though it is installed.

In KDE:

Configure Desktop --> Startup and Shutdown --> Service Manager

and uncheck the box for Apper. (In my opinion, that should be the default)

Also:

Right click on the tray, select "System Tray Settings" and uncheck the box for "Software Updater". (Note that if enabled, Software Updater still works, even if Apper is not running; that's why I think turning off Apper should be the default).

If packagekitd is running, those changes won't stop it. But after a reboot, it won't run Presumably, if you start Apper from the menus, that will again start packagekitd.

The settings for Gnome are harder to find, and require that you install "dconf-editor". I don't remember where to look (the path is a bit obscure), and I'm not currently logged into Gnome so I can't look for it.

Tks, I hadn't realized that those particular options were available. Guess I didn't see the need to look previous :^). After removing subject apps, those options aren't visible. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* A. den Oudsten [10-07-14 08:11]:

Op 07-10-14 om 04:09 schreef Patrick Shanahan:

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* alanbortu [10-06-14 18:46]:

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Can't you just run systemctl disable servicename to stop it from starting on reboot?

On 10/06/2014 08:58 AM, Freek de Kruijf wrote:

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Op maandag 6 oktober 2014 14:45:21 schreef A. den Oudsten:

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As soon as I start my Laptop, as well as my dektop, PackageKit is running to update. In both cases it is not possible to stop PackageKit to stop, it is blocked by pid 8993. Restart does not help. André den Oudsten You may try to stop and disable packagekit.service in systemd using systemctl. I did that and still could use apper to update the system. Don't how this behaves after a reboot.

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I tried, but is was wrong. Should it be

rpm -e PackageKitd PackageKitd-backend-zypp PackageKitd-branding-openSUSE apper

That will remove the listed packages. If the packages are not installed, they will not run so that disables PackageKit which you wanted to do. Note that this requires removing apper as it requires PackageKit. I use zypper rather than apper so do not miss it. Another approach, root password is requested after restarting KDE. You can just deny/cancell the password request and PackageKit/apper will not be running. But you must do this every time you restart KDE. I prefer the first choice as one can always reinstall the removed apps. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-10-07 18:24, Shawn W Dunn wrote:

On Tue, 2014-10-07 at 14:09 +0200, A. den Oudsten wrote:

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Op 07-10-14 om 04:09 schreef Patrick Shanahan:

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I tried, but is was wrong. Should it be

rpm -e PackageKitd PackageKitd-backend-zypp PackageKitd-branding-openSUSE apper

Why would you do rpm -e instead of zypper rm? I don't get it.

Why would you do zypper rm instead of rpm -e? I don't get it :-) It is like using libreoffice to print a label with the "buy milk" which you stick on the freezer. Yes, sure, you can do it. But why? Just pick a piece of paper and a pen, less resources needed. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQ0FcIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9W0EQCfQlF4i9QPuvOgdfe0ibIQqJmh IlwAnRy3E9nJb2WWo5p+GjufzkVC1v8m =kxUm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:19, Andreas Schwab wrote:

"Carlos E. R." writes:

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On 2014-10-07 18:24, Shawn W Dunn wrote:

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On Tue, 2014-10-07 at 14:09 +0200, A. den Oudsten wrote:

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Op 07-10-14 om 04:09 schreef Patrick Shanahan:

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I tried, but is was wrong. Should it be

rpm -e PackageKitd PackageKitd-backend-zypp PackageKitd-branding-openSUSE apper

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Why would you do rpm -e instead of zypper rm? I don't get it.

Why would you do zypper rm instead of rpm -e? I don't get it :-)

zypper rm resolves dependencies, rpm -e doesn't.

Bzzzt! Rpm does handle dependencies, but only from the view point of the package that rpm has been called to handle. Recommends, Suggests, and Pattern on the other hand are ignored by rpm. To ignore dependencies, rpm has to be called with "--nodeps". For most of such unclear cases I look at what "zypper rm -u {package}" suggests and then use "rpm -e" to remove what I select. If there are "special cases" where a package can not be removed without zypper getting ugly on me, I either install the package with "rpm -u --justdb {package}" or, if that is impossible, I remove the executable and or readable bits from the file(s) in question to get my peace. Then again, I use Linux systems since 1996, and I am capable to repair my system in the case I got it unuseable. - Yamaban. -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-10-08 09:19, Andreas Schwab wrote:

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Why would you do rpm -e instead of zypper rm? I don't get it.

Why would you do zypper rm instead of rpm -e? I don't get it :-)

zypper rm resolves dependencies, rpm -e doesn't.

Not exactly. rpm does check that dependencies are met, but it does not "solve" them deciding what to download. It just bails out, which is safe. Why would you need to _solve_ dependencies when the intention is to just remove a package, not replace it with another? :-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQ1Dr8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VC6QCfQK75MoiJF2W77rCZmEL458wC cYYAn2h2d1nAttPM50iWSv6DqcgOyJa1 =kMaL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-10-08 12:18, Andreas Schwab wrote:

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Why would you need to _solve_ dependencies when the intention is to just remove a package, not replace it with another? :-)

??? You cannot remove the package without resolving dependencies.

Of course you can >:-) Anyway, rpm checks that dependencies are fulfilled. It just does not "solve" them. It bails out. Safe enough. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQ1GEAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WbBgCfWe6cc0Gl4R4OYBPALetQOHy2 SOsAn3oF7gzGODiNeHEJTlI3oh+a3uUi =zEMG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-10-08 12:58, Andreas Schwab wrote:

"Carlos E. R." <> writes:

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On 2014-10-08 12:18, Andreas Schwab wrote:

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"Carlos E. R." <> writes:

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Why would you need to _solve_ dependencies when the intention is to just remove a package, not replace it with another? :-)

??? You cannot remove the package without resolving dependencies.

Of course you can >:-)

No, you cannot.

- --nodeps - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQ1HboACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UKGQCdHB/ttCdPp8X0HGx4PP1IkyVU Vo4An39GcJfF2M8xWkjtF0tguB/0bCxU =EKN5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-10-08 14:01, Andreas Schwab wrote:

"Carlos E. R." <> writes:

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On 2014-10-08 12:58, Andreas Schwab wrote:

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"Carlos E. R." <> writes:

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On 2014-10-08 12:18, Andreas Schwab wrote:

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"Carlos E. R." <> writes:

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Why would you need to _solve_ dependencies when the intention is to just remove a package, not replace it with another? :-)

??? You cannot remove the package without resolving dependencies.

Of course you can >:-)

No, you cannot.

--nodeps

You don't need rpm to shoot yourself in the foot.

(Hint: look at the smiley above) By doing what was suggested here: rpm -e PackageKitd PackageKitd-backend-zypp PackageKitd-branding-openSUSE apper you are not shooting any foot. The rpm command is smart enough to verify that dependencies are satisfied; if not, it will simply refuse, unless you force it to go ahead. It does not solve dependencies, but it checks them. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQ1Q4AACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VKPACfb9vTclC0YID9Nig77nfP4XmY +NoAnRsxGOGCizLITmwzjAj6aoxT72bz =du40 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-10-08 16:24, Andreas Schwab wrote:

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you are not shooting any foot. The rpm command is smart enough to verify that dependencies are satisfied;

And if they fail, rinse, repeat, ...

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It does not solve dependencies, but it checks them.

But zypper does. In one go.

Yes, absolutely. But you do not need all that to remove a few packages. In my case, doing it with zypper takes about five minutes of the clock, whereas rpm ends in seconds. Thus what I say is that using zypper for removing a package or two is an overkill, and just as safe, not more. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQ1TJ8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UOuACdF1VhFUt3If+/TD9Q4picx06b XVsAnA0MSOVzhjh6OWfluYnUz4T6/w1q =fbcR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Luiz Fernando Ranghetti [10-08-14 10:49]:

2014-10-08 11:39 GMT-03:00 Carlos E. R. :

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On 2014-10-08 16:24, Andreas Schwab wrote:

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"Carlos E. R." writes:

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you are not shooting any foot. The rpm command is smart enough to verify that dependencies are satisfied;

And if they fail, rinse, repeat, ...

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It does not solve dependencies, but it checks them.

But zypper does. In one go.

Yes, absolutely. But you do not need all that to remove a few packages. In my case, doing it with zypper takes about five minutes of the clock, whereas rpm ends in seconds.

Thus what I say is that using zypper for removing a package or two is an overkill, and just as safe, not more.

I prefer this "zypper rm -u YYY" as it also removes packages installed only because package YYY installed it, so less garbage in my system.

You may prefer that and that may be the most prudent method, but zypper, nor anything else, is not infallible and certainly does *not* know about applications you may have installed not from zypper/rpm. But rpm will also be a problem then. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Shawn W Dunn [10-07-14 12:25]:

On Tue, 2014-10-07 at 14:09 +0200, A. den Oudsten wrote:

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Op 07-10-14 om 04:09 schreef Patrick Shanahan:

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* alanbortu [10-06-14 18:46]:

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Can't you just run systemctl disable servicename to stop it from starting on reboot?

On 10/06/2014 08:58 AM, Freek de Kruijf wrote:

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Op maandag 6 oktober 2014 14:45:21 schreef A. den Oudsten:

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As soon as I start my Laptop, as well as my dektop, PackageKit is running to update. In both cases it is not possible to stop PackageKit to stop, it is blocked by pid 8993. Restart does not help. André den Oudsten You may try to stop and disable packagekit.service in systemd using systemctl. I did that and still could use apper to update the system. Don't how this behaves after a reboot.

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I tried, but is was wrong. Should it be

rpm -e PackageKitd PackageKitd-backend-zypp PackageKitd-branding-openSUSE apper

? Thanks André

Why would you do rpm -e instead of zypper rm? I don't get it.

Old habits die hard :^). zypper rm would be more appropriate, but neither are *wrong* and both accomplish the task at hand. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 07 Oct 2014, 18:44:33 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2014-10-07 18:39, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Old habits die hard :^). zypper rm would be more appropriate, but neither are *wrong* and both accomplish the task at hand.

Zypper in my case takes minutes *before* attempting any removal, which is actually done by rpm in the end. That is, zypper first downloads the repository metadata, then computes what to do, then it mandates rpm to do it.

Just call rpm yourself and be done, instantly.

unless you also want to get those packages removed which got pulled in as a package required by the one to be removed now. This is where "zypper rm -u" really _can_ help a lot ;) HTH, cheers. l8er manfred

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* Manfred Hollstein <> [10-07-14 13:17]:

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Just call rpm yourself and be done, instantly.

unless you also want to get those packages removed which got pulled in as a package required by the one to be removed now. This is where "zypper rm -u" really _can_ help a lot ;)

Indeed, "zypper rm -u PackageKit" offers to remove 23 packages including apper and the afore mentioned. Much more complete, doesn't leave the crumbs laying about.

And potentially very dangerous. Just you slip a bit on carelessness, and you wipe the entire system just as happily. That feature is little tested. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQ0buQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WYDQCeIGMzs++3i6AXrv3H+jhEVd2U b0QAn35JsBbkpCpm4OVzgZdUtv0XiwVb =KJKx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-10-08 02:12, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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And potentially very dangerous.

Just you slip a bit on carelessness, and you wipe the entire system just as happily. That feature is little tested.

And that is why we are making btrfs default :)

LOL. Not on my machines >:-p Ok, I'll bite. Let's suppose I shoot my own foot by removing an awful lot. To make this interesting, I might have removed crucial components for YaST. So, I have btrfs on root, so I can "undo". They say :-) If YaST was not destroyed, maybe there is some module that helps me to undo the removal. If it was destroyed, maybe there is a rescue disk that has some module to click and tell it to restore my main system. Do those two modules exist? Documented, easy to use? And there are complications. /var/log is not restored, I understand. What about /var/lib/rpm/*? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQ0iygACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XBlQCcCNRstJn1lHLnrNWEMK53XJ6i ILYAn3AyqKSfry/X6/K52r0QozCES47c =FHf9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org