[opensuse-factory] Tumbleweed 32-bit support lifetime
Hi all, I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but -- how long is the 32-bit version of Tumbleweed going to be supported with new patches? I'm just curious because Leap and SLE are only 64-bit. Chris-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2017-06-02 at 19:20 +0000, Christopher Myers wrote:
Hi all,
I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but -- how long is the 32-bit version of Tumbleweed going to be supported with new patches? I'm just curious because Leap and SLE are only 64-bit.
I hold it like this with i586: as long as I can without alienating the entire distro. One thing needs to be said clearly here though: the test coverage is only on x86_64 - on i586 we just have a couple minimal tests left in openQA. So in the end, we know it builds and is 'generally installable' . Any test beyond that is not covered (and, as we just have seen with Thunderbird: a fix that worked for x86_64 did not cover i586). Of course we will try to fix even that problem. In plus, it depends what upstreams offer to us. IIRC, Firefox actually announced to no longer support building for i586 with one of the next versions - now, 'not supporting' can mean it still works for now, but if it breaks, bugs are unlikely to be fixed by upstream. In this case it is up to the openSUSE community to make it happen. Cheers, Dominique
On Friday 2017-06-02 21:45, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
In plus, it depends what upstreams offer to us. IIRC, Firefox actually announced to no longer support building for i586 with one of the next versions - now, 'not supporting' can mean it still works for now, but if it breaks, bugs are unlikely to be fixed by upstream.
My panoptic view of openSUSE tells me that it lives on for a while, because the only real showstopper in getting programs runnable and usable are unportable assembler code and certain conceptual requirements (such as atomic operations). Everything else smells like a bug that could also show up in other, supported, ILP32 environments. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday, 2 June 2017 21:45:06 CEST Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but -- how long is the 32-bit version of Tumbleweed going to be supported with new patches? I'm just curious because Leap and SLE are only 64-bit.
I hold it like this with i586: as long as I can without alienating the entire distro.
One thing needs to be said clearly here though: the test coverage is only on x86_64 - on i586 we just have a couple minimal tests left in openQA. So in the end, we know it builds and is 'generally installable' . Any test beyond that is not covered (and, as we just have seen with Thunderbird: a fix that worked for x86_64 did not cover i586). Of course we will try to fix even that problem.
What holds us back from adding more i586 tests to openQA? We don't expect it to "look different", right? So I guess either capacity for testing or it just has not been done? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Op zaterdag 3 juni 2017 19:17:43 CEST schreef Oliver Kurz:
On Friday, 2 June 2017 21:45:06 CEST Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but -- how long is the 32-bit version of Tumbleweed going to be supported with new patches? I'm just curious because Leap and SLE are only 64-bit.
I hold it like this with i586: as long as I can without alienating the entire distro.
One thing needs to be said clearly here though: the test coverage is only on x86_64 - on i586 we just have a couple minimal tests left in openQA. So in the end, we know it builds and is 'generally installable' . Any test beyond that is not covered (and, as we just have seen with Thunderbird: a fix that worked for x86_64 did not cover i586). Of course we will try to fix even that problem.
What holds us back from adding more i586 tests to openQA? We don't expect it to "look different", right? So I guess either capacity for testing or it just has not been done?
Basically nothing. Dive in, write the tests. -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday, 3 June 2017 22:04:09 CEST Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
Op zaterdag 3 juni 2017 19:17:43 CEST schreef Oliver Kurz:
On Friday, 2 June 2017 21:45:06 CEST Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but -- how long is the 32-bit version of Tumbleweed going to be supported with new patches? I'm just curious because Leap and SLE are only 64-bit.
I hold it like this with i586: as long as I can without alienating the entire distro.
One thing needs to be said clearly here though: the test coverage is only on x86_64 - on i586 we just have a couple minimal tests left in openQA. So in the end, we know it builds and is 'generally installable' . Any test beyond that is not covered (and, as we just have seen with Thunderbird: a fix that worked for x86_64 did not cover i586). Of course we will try to fix even that problem.
What holds us back from adding more i586 tests to openQA? We don't expect it to "look different", right? So I guess either capacity for testing or it just has not been done?
Basically nothing. Dive in, write the tests.
Nothing needs to be written though. The existing openQA tests are fine. It would simply need enablement in the test scenario selection. It's that easy with openQA ;-) See rbrown's answer for why we should not do this though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2017-06-03 at 19:17 +0200, Oliver Kurz wrote:
On Friday, 2 June 2017 21:45:06 CEST Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but -- how long is the 32-bit version of Tumbleweed going to be supported with new patches? I'm just curious because Leap and SLE are only 64-bit.
I hold it like this with i586: as long as I can without alienating the entire distro.
One thing needs to be said clearly here though: the test coverage is only on x86_64 - on i586 we just have a couple minimal tests left in openQA. So in the end, we know it builds and is 'generally installable' . Any test beyond that is not covered (and, as we just have seen with Thunderbird: a fix that worked for x86_64 did not cover i586). Of course we will try to fix even that problem.
What holds us back from adding more i586 tests to openQA? We don't expect it to "look different", right? So I guess either capacity for testing or it just has not been done?
We had them - nobody wanted to care for them in time - and if it just doubles the number of red dots *I* have to look after, I am not interested very much in that. Testing the stuff is one part of the equation - fixing potential fallouts another (and note: we do not have testing setup in any of teh stagings - adding that on the staging in plus will put a burden on OBS and openQA - not that it's a problem per se, but needs to be considered) Cheers Dominique
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Christopher Myers -
Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar -
Jan Engelhardt -
Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink -
Oliver Kurz