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David C. Rankin

17 Nov 2008 17 Nov '08

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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After some more testing, it's obvious that the "slowness" and locking up of the 11.1b5 KDE 4.1 desktop is either the Intel video driver or problems in "x"....I suspect the later.

Fred

As in my 11.1B5 review post, I can't put my finger on the problem, but I notice it. Especially when working with KDE control center.

I assumed the subsystem, being "x" because there are the same problems on systems with other video than Intel.

Fred

I have an nvidia 8800GT and I saw it with the fbdev (frame buffer), nv and nvidia drivers. I still see it with the graphics system fully configured and the graphics performance under 11.1 is 50% what it is under 11.0 kde3. On 11.1 Beta 5 I get: 21:13 arete~> glxgears 20919 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4183.754 FPS 22198 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4439.556 FPS 21181 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4236.142 FPS I get over 10,000 FPS in 10.3 and over 9,000 FPS in 11.0. There is something wrong with the Graphics subsystem. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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Fred A. Miller

17 Nov 17 Nov

05:40

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On Monday 17 November 2008 00:13:28 David C. Rankin wrote:

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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After some more testing, it's obvious that the "slowness" and locking up of the 11.1b5 KDE 4.1 desktop is either the Intel video driver or problems in "x"....I suspect the later.

Fred

As in my 11.1B5 review post, I can't put my finger on the problem, but I notice it. Especially when working with KDE control center.

I assumed the subsystem, being "x" because there are the same problems on systems with other video than Intel.

Fred

I have an nvidia 8800GT and I saw it with the fbdev (frame buffer), nv and nvidia drivers. I still see it with the graphics system fully configured and the graphics performance under 11.1 is 50% what it is under 11.0 kde3. On 11.1 Beta 5 I get:

21:13 arete~> glxgears 20919 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4183.754 FPS 22198 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4439.556 FPS 21181 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4236.142 FPS

I get over 10,000 FPS in 10.3 and over 9,000 FPS in 11.0. There is something wrong with the Graphics subsystem.

I get: glxgears 288 frames in 5.0 seconds = 57.550 FPS 260 frames in 5.0 seconds = 51.903 FPS 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.883 FPS 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.878 FPS 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.883 FPS This on a Centrino dual-core at 2Gh and 2G RAM. Ridiculous. Fred -- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -Thomas Jefferson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

05:51

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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On Monday 17 November 2008 00:13:28 David C. Rankin wrote:

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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After some more testing, it's obvious that the "slowness" and locking up of the 11.1b5 KDE 4.1 desktop is either the Intel video driver or problems in "x"....I suspect the later.

Fred

As in my 11.1B5 review post, I can't put my finger on the problem, but I notice it. Especially when working with KDE control center.

I assumed the subsystem, being "x" because there are the same problems on systems with other video than Intel.

Fred

I have an nvidia 8800GT and I saw it with the fbdev (frame buffer), nv and nvidia drivers. I still see it with the graphics system fully configured and the graphics performance under 11.1 is 50% what it is under 11.0 kde3. On 11.1 Beta 5 I get:

21:13 arete~> glxgears 20919 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4183.754 FPS 22198 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4439.556 FPS 21181 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4236.142 FPS

I get over 10,000 FPS in 10.3 and over 9,000 FPS in 11.0. There is something wrong with the Graphics subsystem.

I get: glxgears 288 frames in 5.0 seconds = 57.550 FPS 260 frames in 5.0 seconds = 51.903 FPS 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.883 FPS 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.878 FPS 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.883 FPS

This on a Centrino dual-core at 2Gh and 2G RAM. Ridiculous.

Fred

Of course it is. You aren't using the "nvidia" but the standard "nv" driver in xconf. Download the latest 177.82 driver from nVidia and compile it against the kernel you are using. Ciao. -- Understanding only begins with the act of perception. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

14:02

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* Basil Chupin [11-17-08 00:52]:

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Of course it is. You aren't using the "nvidia" but the standard "nv" driver in xconf. Download the latest 177.82 driver from nVidia and compile it against the kernel you are using.

I don't belive that "nv" provides glx? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Russ Fineman

17:23

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On Monday 17 November 2008 06:02:27 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [11-17-08 00:52]:

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Of course it is. You aren't using the "nvidia" but the standard "nv" driver in xconf. Download the latest 177.82 driver from nVidia and compile it against the kernel you are using.

I don't belive that "nv" provides glx?

-- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no- ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org I just installed a new system Intel core 2 dual E7200, 1066MHZ 4GB memory and with nvidia 8400GS. When I run glxgears -info, I get the following:

GL_MAX_VIEWPORT_DIMS=8192/8192 GL_RENDERER = GeForce 8400 GS/PCI/SSE2 GL_VERSION = 2.1.2 NVIDIA 173.14.12 GL_VENDOR = NVIDIA Corporation GL_EXTENSIONS = GL_ARB_color_buffer_float GL_ARB_depth_texture GL_ARB_draw_buffers GL_ARB_fragment_program GL_ARB_fragment_program_shadow GL_ARB_fragment_shader GL_ARB_half_float_pixel GL_ARB_imaging GL_ARB_multisample GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_occlusion_query GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object GL_ARB_point_parameters GL_ARB_point_sprite GL_ARB_shadow GL_ARB_shader_objects GL_ARB_shading_language_100 GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_texture_compression GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_ARB_texture_float GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two GL_ARB_texture_rectangle GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object GL_ARB_vertex_program GL_ARB_vertex_shader GL_ARB_window_pos GL_ATI_draw_buffers GL_ATI_texture_float GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once GL_S3_s3tc GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate GL_EXT_blend_func_separate GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_EXT_Cg_shader GL_EXT_bindable_uniform GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test GL_EXT_draw_buffers2 GL_EXT_draw_instanced GL_EXT_draw_range_elements GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_framebuffer_blit GL_EXT_framebuffer_multisample GL_EXT_framebuffer_object GL_EXTX_framebuffer_mixed_formats GL_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB GL_EXT_geometry_shader4 GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters GL_EXT_gpu_shader4 GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil GL_EXT_packed_float GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object GL_EXT_point_parameters GL_EXT_rescale_normal GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_EXT_separate_specular_color GL_EXT_shadow_funcs GL_EXT_stencil_two_side GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_texture_array GL_EXT_texture_buffer_object GL_EXT_texture_compression_latc GL_EXT_texture_compression_rgtc GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc GL_EXT_texture_cube_map GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic GL_EXT_texture_integer GL_EXT_texture_lod GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp GL_EXT_texture_object GL_EXT_texture_sRGB GL_EXT_texture_shared_exponent GL_EXT_timer_query GL_EXT_vertex_array GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat GL_KTX_buffer_region GL_NV_blend_square GL_NV_copy_depth_to_color GL_NV_depth_buffer_float GL_NV_conditional_render GL_NV_depth_clamp GL_NV_fence GL_NV_float_buffer GL_NV_fog_distance GL_NV_fragment_program GL_NV_fragment_program_option GL_NV_fragment_program2 GL_NV_framebuffer_multisample_coverage GL_NV_geometry_shader4 GL_NV_gpu_program4 GL_NV_half_float GL_NV_light_max_exponent GL_NV_multisample_coverage GL_NV_multisample_filter_hint GL_NV_occlusion_query GL_NV_packed_depth_stencil GL_NV_parameter_buffer_object GL_NV_pixel_data_range GL_NV_point_sprite GL_NV_primitive_restart GL_NV_register_combiners GL_NV_register_combiners2 GL_NV_texgen_reflection GL_NV_texture_compression_vtc GL_NV_texture_env_combine4 GL_NV_texture_expand_normal GL_NV_texture_rectangle GL_NV_texture_shader GL_NV_texture_shader2 GL_NV_texture_shader3 GL_NV_transform_feedback GL_NV_vertex_array_range GL_NV_vertex_array_range2 GL_NV_vertex_program GL_NV_vertex_program1_1 GL_NV_vertex_program2 GL_NV_vertex_program2_option GL_NV_vertex_program3 GL_NVX_conditional_render GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap GL_SGIS_texture_lod GL_SGIX_depth_texture GL_SGIX_shadow GL_SUN_slice_accum 7076 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1414.870 FPS 6565 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1312.691 FPS 7272 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1454.394 FPS 7628 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1525.382 FPS 7222 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1443.406 FPS 6759 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1351.695 FPS XIO: fatal IO error 22 (Invalid argument) on X server ":0.0" after 1824 requests (1824 known processed) with 0 events remaining. Note above error when I close it. Can anyone tell me if this should be reported and to which product? Thanks. -- Russ Registered Linux User #441463 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

19:19

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* Russ Fineman [11-17-08 12:24]:

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I just installed a new system Intel core 2 dual E7200, 1066MHZ 4GB memory and with nvidia 8400GS. When I run glxgears -info, I get the following:

GL_MAX_VIEWPORT_DIMS=8192/8192 GL_RENDERER = GeForce 8400 GS/PCI/SSE2 GL_VERSION = 2.1.2 NVIDIA 173.14.12 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

yes, you are running the proprietary NVidia driver, not "nv" as I stated. I still don't belive that glx is available with "nv" driver.

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Note above error when I close it. Can anyone tell me if this should be reported and to which product?

sorry, cannot help you here. If you want to prove/disprove the glx statement I made, run "switchtonv" and restart x. Then try to run glxinfo or glxgears. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

19 Nov 19 Nov

05:47

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Russ Fineman [11-17-08 12:24]:

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I just installed a new system Intel core 2 dual E7200, 1066MHZ 4GB memory and with nvidia 8400GS. When I run glxgears -info, I get the following:

GL_MAX_VIEWPORT_DIMS=8192/8192 GL_RENDERER = GeForce 8400 GS/PCI/SSE2 GL_VERSION = 2.1.2 NVIDIA 173.14.12

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

yes, you are running the proprietary NVidia driver, not "nv" as I stated. I still don't belive that glx is available with "nv" driver.

You are right, Patrick, that the glxgears cannot be used with the "nv" driver. At least I cannot reproduce this working combination at this time. I qualify the above by stating that I am almost damn positive that I have been able to run glxgears with the nv driver being specified in xorg.conf recently: I ran glxgears only to find that my fps were in the 150+fps range which is not what the reading should be. I then edited xorg.conf to use "nvidia" driver, re-ran glxgears and the stats. came up to what they ought to be (for my video card etc.). Ciao -- Understanding only begins with the act of perception. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

17 Nov 17 Nov

23:30

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Russ Fineman wrote:

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On Monday 17 November 2008 06:02:27 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [11-17-08 00:52]:

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Of course it is. You aren't using the "nvidia" but the

standard "nv"

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driver in xconf. Download the latest 177.82 driver from

nVidia and

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compile it against the kernel you are using.

I don't belive that "nv" provides glx?

-- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG #

US1244711

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http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-

ip.org/gallery2

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Registered Linux User #207535 @

http://counter.li.org I just installed a new system Intel core 2 dual E7200, 1066MHZ 4GB memory and with nvidia 8400GS. When I run glxgears -info, I get the following:

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6759 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1351.695 FPS XIO: fatal IO error 22 (Invalid argument) on X server ":0.0" after 1824 requests (1824 known processed) with 0 events remaining. Note above error when I close it. Can anyone tell me if this should be reported and to which product?

That's a standard error message when you close glxgears - nothing to worry about. Ciao. -- Understanding only begins with the act of perception. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Russ Fineman

18 Nov 18 Nov

05:23

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Russ Fineman wrote:

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On Monday 17 November 2008 06:02:27 Patrick Shanahan

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* Basil Chupin [11-17-08 00:52]:

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Of course it is. You aren't using the "nvidia" but the

standard "nv"

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driver in xconf. Download the latest 177.82 driver from

nVidia and

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compile it against the kernel you are using.

I don't belive that "nv" provides glx?

-- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG #

US1244711

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http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-

ip.org/gallery2

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Registered Linux User #207535 @

http://counter.li.org I just installed a new system Intel core 2 dual E7200, 1066MHZ 4GB memory and with nvidia 8400GS. When I run glxgears -info, I get the following:

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6759 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1351.695 FPS XIO: fatal IO error 22 (Invalid argument) on X server ":0.0" after 1824 requests (1824 known processed) with 0 events remaining. Note above error when I close it. Can anyone tell me if

On Monday 17 November 2008 15:30:43 Basil Chupin wrote: this

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should be reported and to which product?

That's a standard error message when you close glxgears - nothing to worry about.

Ciao.

-- Understanding only begins with the act of perception. Thanks. -- Russ Registered Linux User #441463 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Fred A. Miller

01:23

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [11-17-08 00:52]:

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Of course it is. You aren't using the "nvidia" but the standard "nv" driver in xconf. Download the latest 177.82 driver from nVidia and compile it against the kernel you are using.

I don't belive that "nv" provides glx?

Basil keeps forgetting, his age ya know, that this box has Intel for video, not nVidia. ;) Fred -- "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson, 1802 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

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* Fred Miller [11-17-08 20:24]:

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Basil keeps forgetting, his age ya know, that this box has Intel for video, not nVidia. ;)

??? using the "nv" driver? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Fred A. Miller

06:05

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Fred Miller [11-17-08 20:24]:

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Basil keeps forgetting, his age ya know, that this box has Intel for video, not nVidia. ;)

??? using the "nv" driver?

No, he has nVidia, and don't on this box. You have the same problem he does. Go to bed...get some sleep. ;) Fred -- "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson, 1802 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

19 Nov 19 Nov

05:58

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [11-17-08 00:52]:

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Of course it is. You aren't using the "nvidia" but the standard "nv" driver in xconf. Download the latest 177.82 driver from nVidia and compile it against the kernel you are using.

I don't belive that "nv" provides glx?

Basil keeps forgetting, his age ya know, that this box has Intel for video, not nVidia. ;)

Why are you handicapping yourself by using onboard Intel stuff, for god's sake?! My mb uses some built-in chip but I wouldn't trust it less than I trust the banks and the government. If you want performance then using a card, specifically designed for the job, is what I have always used. Heck, you wouldn't want a handy-man to service the automatic transmission on your car? (or would you? :-) ) Ciao. -- Understanding only begins with the act of perception. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

17 Nov 17 Nov

21:07

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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After some more testing, it's obvious that the "slowness" and locking up of the 11.1b5 KDE 4.1 desktop is either the Intel video driver or problems in "x"....I suspect the later.

Fred

As in my 11.1B5 review post, I can't put my finger on the problem, but I notice it. Especially when working with KDE control center. I assumed the subsystem, being "x" because there are the same problems on systems with other video than Intel.

Fred

I have an nvidia 8800GT and I saw it with the fbdev (frame buffer), nv and nvidia drivers. I still see it with the graphics system fully configured and the graphics performance under 11.1 is 50% what it is under 11.0 kde3. On 11.1 Beta 5 I get:

21:13 arete~> glxgears 20919 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4183.754 FPS 22198 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4439.556 FPS 21181 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4236.142 FPS

I get over 10,000 FPS in 10.3 and over 9,000 FPS in 11.0. There is something wrong with the Graphics subsystem.

To follow up, I want to add a little more data for comparison purposes. After solving the bootloader mess, I booted the 11.1 Beta5 test machine to its normal 11.0 install. The exact same machine, only difference is 11.0 is booted from 2 Seagate 500G drives in RAID1, while 11.1 is booted from a single Seagate 500G drive. Graphics performance difference (see 11.1 above): 11.0 Same MSI K9N2 SLI Platinum; Phenom 9850; GeForce 8800GT: 39998 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7999.538 FPS 41461 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8292.127 FPS 38991 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7798.190 FPS 39446 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7889.145 FPS 39832 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7966.265 FPS --> glx/aiglx enabled on all boxes Other Boxes - NVidia 10.3 - Tyan S2865; Opteron 180; GeForce 8600GT 42149 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8429.797 FPS 41859 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8371.764 FPS 42970 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8593.839 FPS 40823 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8164.469 FPS 42781 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8556.137 FPS 11.0 - MSI K7N2 Delta ILSR; Athlon XP 2800+; GeForce 6800GT 18653 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3730.495 FPS 18565 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3712.901 FPS 18799 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3759.653 FPS 18630 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3725.989 FPS 18657 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3731.382 FPS *** This is a startling result. It is hard to fathom how a 6 year old Athlon XP with a GeForce 6800 under 10.3 has nearly as good of glxgears frame rate performance as a new Phenom 9850 and and GeForce 8800 on 11.1 B5 ??? Other Boxes - ATI 11.0 - MSI 945CGM; P4 3.2; ATI X800GTO 43874 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8774.635 FPS 44109 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8821.752 FPS 43823 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8764.572 FPS 42023 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8395.538 FPS 43932 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8786.328 FPS 11.0 - MSI KM2M; Athlon XP 2400+; ATI X800XT 29920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5983.841 FPS 29949 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5989.775 FPS 29984 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5996.681 FPS 29662 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5932.319 FPS 29711 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5942.098 FPS (and just for fun -- an 8 year old...) 11.0 - ABIT KT7; AMD Thunderbird 800; ATI 9600 PRO 8894 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1778.722 FPS 8912 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1782.275 FPS 8720 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1743.918 FPS 8918 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1783.580 FPS 9145 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1828.986 FPS All of this lends weight to Fred's identification of a problem in 11.1 -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

21 Nov 21 Nov

08:05

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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After some more testing, it's obvious that the "slowness" and locking up of the 11.1b5 KDE 4.1 desktop is either the Intel video driver or problems in "x"....I suspect the later.

Fred

As in my 11.1B5 review post, I can't put my finger on the problem, but I notice it. Especially when working with KDE control center. I assumed the subsystem, being "x" because there are the same problems on systems with other video than Intel.

Fred

I have an nvidia 8800GT and I saw it with the fbdev (frame buffer), nv and nvidia drivers. I still see it with the graphics system fully configured and the graphics performance under 11.1 is 50% what it is under 11.0 kde3. On 11.1 Beta 5 I get:

21:13 arete~> glxgears 20919 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4183.754 FPS 22198 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4439.556 FPS 21181 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4236.142 FPS

I get over 10,000 FPS in 10.3 and over 9,000 FPS in 11.0. There is something wrong with the Graphics subsystem.

Fred, I think it's KDE4. I loaded KDE3 tonight on the same box and just on a whim, in KDE3: 01:08 arete~> glxgears 31248 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6237.533 FPS 30700 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6139.998 FPS 29088 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5817.566 FPS 28206 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5595.628 FPS 28717 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5740.827 FPS 27854 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5570.760 FPS 28236 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5647.170 FPS 29807 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5953.829 FPS 29799 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5956.565 FPS 29687 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5930.866 FPS -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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After some more testing, it's obvious that the "slowness" and locking up of the 11.1b5 KDE 4.1 desktop is either the Intel video driver or problems in "x"....I suspect the later.

Fred

As in my 11.1B5 review post, I can't put my finger on the problem, but I notice it. Especially when working with KDE control center. I assumed the subsystem, being "x" because there are the same problems on systems with other video than Intel.

Fred

I have an nvidia 8800GT and I saw it with the fbdev (frame buffer), nv and nvidia drivers. I still see it with the graphics system fully configured and the graphics performance under 11.1 is 50% what it is under 11.0 kde3. On 11.1 Beta 5 I get:

21:13 arete~> glxgears 20919 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4183.754 FPS 22198 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4439.556 FPS 21181 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4236.142 FPS

I get over 10,000 FPS in 10.3 and over 9,000 FPS in 1.0. There is something wrong with the Graphics subsystem.

This issue may very well be a KDE4 issue. I decided to load KDE3 tonight to triage the jilted system and, on a lark, recalled the glxgears issue so I decided to test with glxgears. The differences were startling to say the least. All I did was install KDE3 on the exact same machine and log into KDE3 and then start glxgears; I was shocked at the differences in the frame rates for the same hardware and with the desktop being the only difference. The KDE4 numbers are above. Now,here are the frame rates from KDE3: 01:08 arete~> glxgears 31248 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6237.533 FPS 30700 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6139.998 FPS 29088 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5817.566 FPS 29807 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5953.829 FPS 29799 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5956.565 FPS 29687 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5930.866 FPS A full 30+% faster than the frame rates seen under KDE4 -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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