Basil Chupin wrote:

JP Rosevear wrote:

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On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 17:00 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Confirm this for yourself.

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(Just for the record, the version I have installed - and before the latest upgrades it was working fine - is the 32-bit version and I was using KDE4 to see what it looked liked.)

This is probably the acpi problem, requiring acpi=off to be enter as a boot option in the grub screen.

I don't know much about how things work and from this perspective I would say that it is not an "acpi=off" problem because I tried it last night and it didn't really 'fix' anything.

So, I re-installed 11.0 Beta3 from the DVD with KDE4.

(BTW, why has the ability to "Boot Installed System" been removed from the installation DVD? (I had to use the DVD for 10.3 to be able to boot an installed system.)

Re-installing 11.0 Beta3 worked OK; and it worked OK after I used Yast2 Control Centre to upgrade ONLY the patches following the installation. The patches which were installed were:

kde4-kdm kde4-kwin kdebase4-workspace libzypp satsolver-tools yast2-qt-pkg

I rebooted the OS and everything kept working OK.

A couple of hours ago I decided that I will allow Yast2 Control Centre's Online Upgrade to do the rest of the available PACKAGE upgrades -- had to use the Control Centre because the Updater in the taskbar doesn't work, is showing that all repositories are rubbish, and is therefore sitting there as a yellow triangle with a "!" through it -- **BUT** I did NOT allow the kernel and the kernel source to be upgraded to 2.6.25.4-2- I wanted the kernel to remain at the original x.25.3-2.

Over an hour+ later the upgrades completed. I then decided to reboot to see what would happen.

At this point a wheel fell off. Just one wheel. So I decided to post this message while I still could still use Thunderbird to post a message and the other 3 wheels were still on.

What made me conclude that a wheel fell off?

Well, when I went to reboot, the menu which comes up with the options to either close relog, close down, reboot or cancel is greyed out EXCEPT for the icons themselves which are in full colourful colour. This I have seen before which is why I decided to post this message before rebooting because seeing such a greyed out menu means that things are SNAFU.

Remember, I have NOT upgraded the kernel to x.25.4-2.

OK, now I will send this message off...... and I expect that I will be back online in a day or so based on past experience :'( .

(But at least this time I did make a back of Thunderbird.)

Update on the previous msg (above). The upgrades (~890) have been done and the system booted OK. I have also rebooted a couple of times to confirm that the OS does reboot. HOWEVER, when rebooting the menu I mentioned above still has all the options greyed out except for the icons which are in their full technicolour mode; nevertheless, clicking on the icon of your choice does produce the correct result - restart icon produces a reboot of the system. BUT a new development - possibly not new but just something I didn't notice earlier - is that the clock (bottom RH, which is supposed to be set by the ntp daemon) is suddenly showing Tuesday 27 May 01:43 hours when it is in fact Sunday 25 May 19:43 hours. The clock has been showing the correct date/time all day. Also, just mentioned earlier (nothing's changed) the zypper updater in the taskbar is still showing that the repositories it has tried to access are illegal and could not be refreshed. In Yast2, the repositories are being refreshed correctly. (Looks like zypper is still the ultimate winner ever since it was pushed onto us! smart, BTW, is doing, and showing, all the right things -- hasn't faulted yet in 11.0 Beta3.) OK, now to take life into my hands and ugrade the kernel/source to 2.6.25.4-2. I hold my breath....... Cccciao. (BTW, see the above "Cccciao"? Another side effect of 11.0 and possibly KDE4: the multiple repetition of the first character on occasions at the beginning of a para.) -- Vulgar language is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate persons. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [05-25-08 06:04]:

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BUT a new development - possibly not new but just something I didn't notice earlier - is that the clock (bottom RH, which is supposed to be set by the ntp daemon) is suddenly showing Tuesday 27 May 01:43 hours when it is in fact Sunday 25 May 19:43 hours.

The clock has been showing the correct date/time all day.

you are not possibly at GMT-6?? then your clocks is displaying gmt rather than local time. Adjust

Ah, Patrick, your mind is as alert and incisive as usual. "Adjust" you say. Could I possible be at "GMT-6"? No, absolutely not. I am at GMT-10 -- I am in Canberra, the Capital of Australia. And I know that "my" clocks are showing the wrong date/time otherwise I would not mentioned this in the message above. I was stating that the clock was wrong for the very bleeding obvious reason which is that I re-installed 11.0 Beta3 and the clock (once again, and again, and again,...) comes up with the wrong time - until it is reset with ntpdate. The clock is perfect while I am running 10.3, perfect. But when I install 11.0 Beta3 the clock goes RS. Just to make it kinda interesting, I'll throw this in: I adjusted the clock during the installation process - at the point where one selects the time zone and where one is also asked if one wants to adjust the date/clock. (I didn't do the "ntpdate -u <serverID> this time 'round). Well, doing so seems to have no real effect because the clock is still wrong, as you saw above.

ps: would really by nice if you could trim a little of your copious quotes.

And this on top of your private message to me..... I'm flattered that you are keeping such a close eye on me and looking out that I don't do anything 'naughty' (wink, wink, nudge, nudge!) If you HAVE been paying attention to what is being/has been stated in this thread, you will see that I am keeping up the information to the reply from JP Rosevear on 24/05/08 at 0431hours to me in this thread and which he also crossposted to opensuse. If your MUTT, 1.5.13 (2006.08.11) which you are using on SUSE 10.1, with Linux 2.6.18.8-396-default (x86_64), cannot pick up on these nuances in addressing then I suggest that you "get hip", "get with it", and upgrade to the latest versions of the software, and OS, you are now using. BTW, your MUTT is showing that my reply should *also* go to opensuse but I have decided not to send it there as well. Aren't I gracious? Ciao. PS In case it causes you - and others - great distress, this message will have a time stamp of something like 1820 hours on Wed 28 May 2008 because this is what Beta3 has determined should be the time stamp even though it is now 1630 hours on Monday 26 May, Australian Eastern Daylight Time (ie, GMT-10). 11.0 Beta3, I luvsya! :-* .) -- Vulgar language is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate persons. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

* Basil Chupin [05-26-08 02:23]:

Ah, Patrick, your mind is as alert and incisive as usual.

As is your usual sarcasm

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ps: would really by nice if you could trim a little of your copious quotes.

And this on top of your private message to me..... I'm flattered that you are keeping such a close eye on me and looking out that I don't do anything 'naughty' (wink, wink, nudge, nudge!)

again with the sarcasm and public posting/quoting of private email

If you HAVE been paying attention to what is being/has been stated in this thread, you will see that I am keeping up the information to the reply from JP Rosevear on 24/05/08 at 0431hours to me in this thread and which he also crossposted to opensuse.

If your MUTT, 1.5.13 (2006.08.11) which you are using on SUSE 10.1, with Linux 2.6.18.8-396-default (x86_64), cannot pick up on these nuances in addressing then I suggest that you "get hip", "get with it", and upgrade to the latest versions of the software, and OS, you are now using.

and you deride *my* choice of mail client and linux version

BTW, your MUTT is showing that my reply should *also* go to opensuse but I have decided not to send it there as well. Aren't I gracious?

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