[opensuse-factory] What am I doing wrong, or is this normal?

Basil Chupin

23 Sep 2014 23 Sep '14

07:08

I downloaded the 13.2 Beta ISO and am now in the process of installing it as a fresh installation on my laptop. I tried to install it with only Wi-fi available (I did not connect the ehternet connection) and when the installation process got to having to edit the network option available - in this case the Wi-fi - the installation process came up with this message: "These packages need to be installed: iw". Riiiiight, I thought, alright already let's install this "iw", so I clicked on OK, or whatever, and got the message that these packages were not installed and would I like to Try Again? (a very polite system here I would like you to know). However after several retries to install this mysterious "iw" I gave up and clicked on NO don't try to install this "iw" - just get on with it. Weeell, what do you think happened next? The whole installation process simply aborted. Up came the big red menu stating and error had occurred. So, have I not done something or is this behaviour normal when you are trying to install oS on a laptop which is not connected to the 'net via an ethernet cable? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.1 & kernel 3.16.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Stephan Kulow

23 Sep 23 Sep

07:21

On 23.09.2014 09:08, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I downloaded the 13.2 Beta ISO and am now in the process of installing it as a fresh installation on my laptop.

Basil, I just read an email that talks about stuff that belongs in bugzilla and I thought: wow, is that a beginner who never did bug reports before? And I then I thought: no, this is Basil - he should know!

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So, have I not done something Right! Use bugzilla.

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Graham P Davis

07:41

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:21:30 +0200 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On 23.09.2014 09:08, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I downloaded the 13.2 Beta ISO and am now in the process of installing it as a fresh installation on my laptop.

Basil, I just read an email that talks about stuff that belongs in bugzilla and I thought: wow, is that a beginner who never did bug reports before? And I then I thought: no, this is Basil - he should know!

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So, have I not done something Right! Use bugzilla.

Greetings, Stephan

The instructions have always been to ask first, either here or in the newsgroups, before using bugzilla. I'd say Basil did the right thing. You might think that searching bugzilla first would be an option but my experience of that is that the likelihood of finding a match is about 10%; perhaps this newer version will be better but I'll reserve judgement on that. -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE 13.2-m0 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.1; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 3.16.2; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Stephan Kulow

07:45

On 23.09.2014 09:41, Graham P Davis wrote:

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On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:21:30 +0200 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On 23.09.2014 09:08, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I downloaded the 13.2 Beta ISO and am now in the process of installing it as a fresh installation on my laptop.

Basil, I just read an email that talks about stuff that belongs in bugzilla and I thought: wow, is that a beginner who never did bug reports before? And I then I thought: no, this is Basil - he should know!

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So, have I not done something Right! Use bugzilla.

Greetings, Stephan

The instructions have always been to ask first, either here or in the Can you point me to that instructions? I don't know how often I told everyone to use bugzilla to report problems.

Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Graham P Davis

08:53

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:45:14 +0200 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On 23.09.2014 09:41, Graham P Davis wrote:

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On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:21:30 +0200 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On 23.09.2014 09:08, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I downloaded the 13.2 Beta ISO and am now in the process of installing it as a fresh installation on my laptop.

Basil, I just read an email that talks about stuff that belongs in bugzilla and I thought: wow, is that a beginner who never did bug reports before? And I then I thought: no, this is Basil - he should know!

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So, have I not done something Right! Use bugzilla.

Greetings, Stephan

The instructions have always been to ask first, either here or in the Can you point me to that instructions? I don't know how often I told everyone to use bugzilla to report problems.

Testing my memory, eh? It was well over a decade ago that I first read this but I have managed to find it: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports I think it's changed a bit over the years in that I don't recall it being for non-technical users only. The concept also causes me to delve further back, almost 37 years, to when I was first being taught programming. One of the things we were told to do when we had a problem was to ask someone. Sometimes it wouldn't matter whether the person we were asking was likely to be able to provide a solution, the mere act of asking, and clearly explaining the problem, would clear our own minds and give us the answer. As I suggested, asking someone either here or in the groups is more likely to provide an answer or a reference to a pre-existing bug report than a search on bugzilla. In my experience, the only way to find a relevant report is to submit a new one and then get a message saying it's been marked as a duplicate of an existing one - along with half-a-dozen others. -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE 13.2-beta-1 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.1; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 3.16.2; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

12:58

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-09-23 09:45, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On 23.09.2014 09:41, Graham P Davis wrote:

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The instructions have always been to ask first, either here or in the Can you point me to that instructions? I don't know how often I told everyone to use bugzilla to report problems.

Well, that's what many of us tell people to do, when they ask on the forum, for instance. The wiki page (openSUSE:Submitting bug reports) does tell "Non-technical users" to use the forums first. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQhbnEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XDJQCeMtJpFPC7K5Ixv7tgHh0VRqlk OEkAniot+IKcGTOPQoj0K4Kj4rjFIn9X =KQcl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Stephan Kulow

24 Sep 24 Sep

06:06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 23.09.2014 um 14:58 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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The instructions have always been to ask first, either here or in the Can you point me to that instructions? I don't know how often I told everyone to use bugzilla to report problems.

Well, that's what many of us tell people to do, when they ask on the forum, for instance. The wiki page (openSUSE:Submitting bug reports) does tell "Non-technical users" to use the forums first.

I can see that point and I closed several bug reports in the past with "bugzilla is not for support", but imagine everyone posts here with the subject "what am I doing wrong or is this normal" random problem reports. So I think the wiki should not refer to posting here "in doubt". Greetings, Stephan - -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlQiX24ACgkQwFSBhlBjoJYD8wCbBUWqgaut2ltSmLtrR0/SiiXd Re0AnAlCI8NOsF7xvI+oUdekz7DG6JQ5 =gcsC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

23 Sep 23 Sep

08:03

On 23/09/14 17:41, Graham P Davis wrote:

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On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:21:30 +0200 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On 23.09.2014 09:08, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I downloaded the 13.2 Beta ISO and am now in the process of installing it as a fresh installation on my laptop.

Basil, I just read an email that talks about stuff that belongs in bugzilla and I thought: wow, is that a beginner who never did bug reports before? And I then I thought: no, this is Basil - he should know!

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So, have I not done something Right! Use bugzilla.

Greetings, Stephan

The instructions have always been to ask first, either here or in the newsgroups, before using bugzilla. I'd say Basil did the right thing.

You might think that searching bugzilla first would be an option but my experience of that is that the likelihood of finding a match is about 10%; perhaps this newer version will be better but I'll reserve judgement on that.

Ah, another man of "good taste" :-D . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.1 & kernel 3.16.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Christian Boltz

11:35

Hello, Am Dienstag, 23. September 2014 schrieb Graham P Davis:

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The instructions have always been to ask first, either here or in the newsgroups, before using bugzilla. I'd say Basil did the right thing.

You might think that searching bugzilla first would be an option but my experience of that is that the likelihood of finding a match is about 10%; perhaps this newer version will be better but I'll reserve judgement on that.

Well, it depends ;-) If you see something that is clearly a bug, I don't see a need to ask on the mailinglist first - go directly to bugzilla, and if a quick search doesn't bring up "your" bug, open a bugreport. Don't worry too much about reporting a duplicate - the bugzilla statistics show that only about 12% of all bugreports are marked as duplicate. OTOH, about 50% are marked as "fixed" so your bugreport has a good chance to end up in the "fixed" range too ;-) If you notice something strange and want to ask on the mailinglist first to clarify if it qualifies as bug - well, my personal experience is that strange things are a bug most time ;-) (That's also why I directly go to bugzilla.) At least you should open a bugreport if you don't get a response within one or two days. BTW: If you want to see the exact numbers, the bugzilla report feature can help you. Click "Reports" (in the footer) -> "Tabular reports". Then select "Resolution" for the horizontal and "Product" for the Vertical Axis. In the Status and Resolution boxes, select (or unselect) everything. Finally, click "Generate Report" and enjoy the numbers ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz --

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Basil Chupin

08:02

On 23/09/14 17:21, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On 23.09.2014 09:08, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I downloaded the 13.2 Beta ISO and am now in the process of installing it as a fresh installation on my laptop.

Basil, I just read an email that talks about stuff that belongs in bugzilla and I thought: wow, is that a beginner who never did bug reports before? And I then I thought: no, this is Basil - he should know!

Oh YOU! You have such a way with words! 8-)

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So, have I not done something Right! Use bugzilla.

As I said, you do have such a way with words. So, "Right!" means that I have done something wrong :-) . But you want me to use bugzilla? :-) Just by-the-by, I always worked on the basis that one ought to first find out if others are having the same problem before cluttering up the "bugzilla" with reports which may already have been reported and in the process of being actioned. (But then I've dealt with programmers for many years in my working life and should know that logical approach to a problem is not always something which is part of the equation :-) . A comment by Anonymous comes to mind at times like these: "Remember that the Titanic was built by professionals but the Ark was built by an amateur".) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.1 & kernel 3.16.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Graham P Davis

07:35

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:08:53 +1000 Basil Chupin wrote:

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I downloaded the 13.2 Beta ISO and am now in the process of installing it as a fresh installation on my laptop.

I tried to install it with only Wi-fi available (I did not connect the ehternet connection) and when the installation process got to having to edit the network option available - in this case the Wi-fi - the installation process came up with this message: "These packages need to be installed: iw".

Riiiiight, I thought, alright already let's install this "iw", so I clicked on OK, or whatever, and got the message that these packages were not installed and would I like to Try Again? (a very polite system here I would like you to know). However after several retries to install this mysterious "iw" I gave up and clicked on NO don't try to install this "iw" - just get on with it.

Weeell, what do you think happened next? The whole installation process simply aborted. Up came the big red menu stating and error had occurred.

So, have I not done something or is this behaviour normal when you are trying to install oS on a laptop which is not connected to the 'net via an ethernet cable?

BC

You did nothing wrong. It's a known bug: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888805 In any case, looking on the bright side, even if you managed to install a wireless connection, it probably wouldn't have worked. I still haven't found a way to get "wicked" to work and have to use NetworkManager instead. Next time you try the install, skip any configuration of networking by clicking on "next". -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE 13.2-m0 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.1; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 3.16.2; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

08:05

On 23/09/14 17:35, Graham P Davis wrote:

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On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:08:53 +1000 Basil Chupin wrote:

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I downloaded the 13.2 Beta ISO and am now in the process of installing it as a fresh installation on my laptop.

I tried to install it with only Wi-fi available (I did not connect the ehternet connection) and when the installation process got to having to edit the network option available - in this case the Wi-fi - the installation process came up with this message: "These packages need to be installed: iw".

Riiiiight, I thought, alright already let's install this "iw", so I clicked on OK, or whatever, and got the message that these packages were not installed and would I like to Try Again? (a very polite system here I would like you to know). However after several retries to install this mysterious "iw" I gave up and clicked on NO don't try to install this "iw" - just get on with it.

Weeell, what do you think happened next? The whole installation process simply aborted. Up came the big red menu stating and error had occurred.

So, have I not done something or is this behaviour normal when you are trying to install oS on a laptop which is not connected to the 'net via an ethernet cable?

BC

You did nothing wrong. It's a known bug: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888805

In any case, looking on the bright side, even if you managed to install a wireless connection, it probably wouldn't have worked. I still haven't found a way to get "wicked" to work and have to use NetworkManager instead.

Next time you try the install, skip any configuration of networking by clicking on "next".

OK, thanks for this tip. I'll try it the next time but right now I had plugged in the ethernet cable and now have to reboot to continue the installation...... BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.14.1 & kernel 3.16.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Pawel Wieczorkiewicz

09:48

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:35:24 +0100 Graham P Davis wrote:

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You did nothing wrong. It's a known bug: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888805

In any case, looking on the bright side, even if you managed to install a wireless connection, it probably wouldn't have worked. I still haven't found a way to get "wicked" to work and have to use NetworkManager instead.

Please provide logs as per my request here: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=893678#c11 Thanks.

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Next time you try the install, skip any configuration of networking by clicking on "next".

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Carlos E. R.

12:50

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-09-23 09:08, Basil Chupin wrote:

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So, have I not done something or is this behaviour normal when you are trying to install oS on a laptop which is not connected to the 'net via an ethernet cable?

I have seen this same error other years, more than once :-( - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQhbJsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9V/6QCfQ61kLcffJCsZk3C2HsZpAEyF OAgAnjWLtL2DZnSteWADC4ol7a9PrYZs =FL+5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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