[opensuse-factory] General Poor quality of Opensuse
I have used Opensuse now for some years since the days of 5.3 in fact and Linux in general well before that since the days of the Early 0.9 kernels all floppy distro no X i also ran Slackware and Red Hat and tested a few more along the way so i know a thing or two about Linux i have even brewed up my own distro at one time . It has to be said now after attempting to get 11.2 MS2 and 11.2 MS3 to play the game the standards of releases has fallen to a new all time low how on earth have you got the front to call these releases anything other than Alpha at best . The sound system is a total mess this pulseaudio thing is what nothing more than a total blight on the system there needs to be a choice for users risk pulseaudio or can that and run safe Alsa sound system . I know you are going to say Alsa doesn't do this or that but unlike pulseaudio it never failed to work it never chopped the audio Beagle ! what a total pain and complete resource hog once again it needs to be a LOT easier to un-install or not install at all With the requisite warning for those that do install it beware it will hog your CPU for excessive amounts of time , Likewise Nepomuk . KDE now i actually don't happen to believe all that has been said about the use of or rather almost ENFORCED use of KDE4.x and whilst it is sort of shaping up it will not be ready for the 11.2 release no way too much still don't play ball nice at all and needs sorting a lot to do with multimedia just plain does not work or if it does thanks to the enforced use of that pulseaudio stuff jitters and skips or as happens here when playing a DVD it stops then repeats a sylable carries on for a few seconds then does the same again well i spose if you like Norman Collier that's all well and good i think he's a prat . It seems now that no one actually gives a monkeys about the standards of the releases now that some members of staff have been dispensed with it seems and quite probably others the wrong staff members were dispensed with what is it going to take to get this distro back on track and back to a decent standard , Even the Ill fated 10.0 was far better than 11.2 is right now and arguably better than 11.2 as well. Then we have this whole License thing about codecs and DVD playing software things like DHT as well , People purchase a distro and rightfully so expect to be able to install it bang in a DVD and have it play not go faffing around having to instantly pollute a new install with essentially foreign packages not everyone has a good enough Internet connection to do that any way , maybe it is time for Opensuse to find a new home where German licensing rules don't apply . This mail is aimed squarley at the Opensuse team who o know will call me for everything under the sun plus some it is a two way street don forget i have gripes with quite a few there who's attitudes STINK but i am not interested in them right now , Contray to the comments that will come in from one in perticular a lot of the content of this email will be agreed by a considerable number of people a lot will keep stum they dont want their name to appear thats ok by me some may just get brave enough to agree fair dincum blue but do not for one moment think i am a one off this world is full of people that think one thing and say another for the sake of not standing out There is a lot more i could mention maybe i will shortly but one thing is for sure the situation as of this moment is a total disgrace to the SuSe name and a very poor shadow of it's former good name sort it out people , There is no point being the first ones to release something if it is a complete screwup a little more time in the R&D and less in the sales will work wonders Pete .
Peter Nikolic wrote:
I have used Opensuse now for some years since the days of 5.3 in fact and Linux in general well before that since the days of the Early 0.9 kernels all floppy distro no X i also ran Slackware and Red Hat and tested a few more along the way so i know a thing or two about Linux i have even brewed up my own distro at one time .
It has to be said now after attempting to get 11.2 MS2 and 11.2 MS3 to play the game the standards of releases has fallen to a new all time low how on earth have you got the front to call these releases anything other than Alpha at best .
The sound system is a total mess this pulseaudio thing is what nothing more than a total blight on the system there needs to be a choice for users risk pulseaudio or can that and run safe Alsa sound system . I know you are going to say Alsa doesn't do this or that but unlike pulseaudio it never failed to work it never chopped the audio
Things audio that used to work no longer do. One suggestion is that it's caused by upgrading rather than a fresh install. TV card under Kaffeine works, skype works, no audio from video under firefox.
Beagle ! what a total pain and complete resource hog once again it needs to be a LOT easier to un-install or not install at all With the requisite warning for those that do install it beware it will hog your CPU for excessive amounts of time , Likewise Nepomuk .
Disabled those as they don't offer any useful purpose for me.
KDE now i actually don't happen to believe all that has been said about the use of or rather almost ENFORCED use of KDE4.x and whilst it is sort of shaping up it will not be ready for the 11.2 release no way too much still don't play ball nice at all and needs sorting a lot to do with multimedia just plain does not work or if it does thanks to the enforced use of that pulseaudio stuff jitters and skips or as happens here when playing a DVD it stops then repeats a sylable carries on for a few seconds then does the same again well i spose if you like Norman Collier that's all well and good i think he's a prat .
KDE4 has a number of oddities I already mentioned and bugs opened - VirtulBox, qjackctl and others get stuck in FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE when run as root locally but are OK when run as user or as root via ssh -X. All OK under KDE3. Firefox crashes on print, thunderbird prints part of an email, then printer errors out. Can't play a video DVD -- libdvdcss problem perhaps????
It seems now that no one actually gives a monkeys about the standards of the releases now that some members of staff have been dispensed with it seems and quite probably others the wrong staff members were dispensed with what is it going to take to get this distro back on track and back to a decent standard , Even the Ill fated 10.0 was far better than 11.2 is right now and arguably better than 11.2 as well.
Then we have this whole License thing about codecs and DVD playing software things like DHT as well , People purchase a distro and rightfully so expect to be able to install it bang in a DVD and have it play not go faffing around having to instantly pollute a new install with essentially foreign packages not everyone has a good enough Internet connection to do that any way , maybe it is time for Opensuse to find a new home where German licensing rules don't apply .
This mail is aimed squarley at the Opensuse team who o know will call me for everything under the sun plus some it is a two way street don forget i have gripes with quite a few there who's attitudes STINK but i am not interested in them right now , Contray to the comments that will come in from one in perticular a lot of the content of this email will be agreed by a considerable number of people a lot will keep stum they dont want their name to appear thats ok by me some may just get brave enough to agree fair dincum blue but do not for one moment think i am a one off this world is full of people that think one thing and say another for the sake of not standing out
There is a lot more i could mention maybe i will shortly but one thing is for sure the situation as of this moment is a total disgrace to the SuSe name and a very poor shadow of it's former good name sort it out people , There is no point being the first ones to release something if it is a complete screwup a little more time in the R&D and less in the sales will work wonders
Pete .
The distro has problems of a pre-Alpha nature that crept in just pre Milestone 1 and are still present. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Sid Boyce schreef:
The distro has problems of a pre-Alpha nature that crept in just pre Milestone 1 and are still present. Regards Sid.
I thought milestone 1, replaced alpha 1. If this is right, we would be at alpha 3 around now, no? I do not recall to have better alpha's earlier. In fact the first alpha has to me allways been the best, since 10.0, than it gets worse, and after that it becomes slightly better, because of bugs noticed, workarounds, and some fixes. (Some bugs hang around for a few rounds: wifi trouble, amarok. Some pkgs that are usefull. dissappear, to never be replaced or come back. One forgets even the name.... little prog to empty the server-mailbox. It is a little annoying to use a seperate pc or laptop, or wine with mailwasher to empty a server mailbox....but ok, one gets used to everything i guess, which won't say that is good..) I do not know if shouting at developers will help to improve the distro.. The only thing i know helps is: work hard, and test well. Many people are needed to establish a good product. Changing too much at the same time, will lead to problems that are not easy to determine or solve. What one wants, and what happens, seem to be different sometimes.... I sometimes share Peters vieuw at many points, but manage to get the distro workable... (But i believe that it should work out of the box shouldn't it?) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.30-8-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 2 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.90 (KDE 4.2.90 (KDE 4.3 Beta2)) "release 1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Oddball wrote:
Sid Boyce schreef:
The distro has problems of a pre-Alpha nature that crept in just pre Milestone 1 and are still present. Regards Sid.
I thought milestone 1, replaced alpha 1. If this is right, we would be at alpha 3 around now, no? I do not recall to have better alpha's earlier.
In fact the first alpha has to me allways been the best, since 10.0, than it gets worse, and after that it becomes slightly better, because of bugs noticed, workarounds, and some fixes. (Some bugs hang around for a few rounds: wifi trouble, amarok. Some pkgs that are usefull. dissappear, to never be replaced or come back. One forgets even the name.... little prog to empty the server-mailbox. It is a little annoying to use a seperate pc or laptop, or wine with mailwasher to empty a server mailbox....but ok, one gets used to everything i guess, which won't say that is good..)
I do not know if shouting at developers will help to improve the distro..
The only thing i know helps is: work hard, and test well. Many people are needed to establish a good product. Changing too much at the same time, will lead to problems that are not easy to determine or solve.
What one wants, and what happens, seem to be different sometimes....
I sometimes share Peters vieuw at many points, but manage to get the distro workable... (But i believe that it should work out of the box shouldn't it?)
I somehow get the feeling that we are suffering from the lay-offs, leaving the remaining guys with too great a workload and hence to recent opening up of factory which has not yet kicked in to make up for the shortfall. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 02:53:09PM +0100, Sid Boyce wrote:
Oddball wrote:
Sid Boyce schreef:
The distro has problems of a pre-Alpha nature that crept in just pre Milestone 1 and are still present. Regards Sid.
I thought milestone 1, replaced alpha 1. If this is right, we would be at alpha 3 around now, no? I do not recall to have better alpha's earlier.
In fact the first alpha has to me allways been the best, since 10.0, than it gets worse, and after that it becomes slightly better, because of bugs noticed, workarounds, and some fixes. (Some bugs hang around for a few rounds: wifi trouble, amarok. Some pkgs that are usefull. dissappear, to never be replaced or come back. One forgets even the name.... little prog to empty the server-mailbox. It is a little annoying to use a seperate pc or laptop, or wine with mailwasher to empty a server mailbox....but ok, one gets used to everything i guess, which won't say that is good..)
I do not know if shouting at developers will help to improve the distro..
The only thing i know helps is: work hard, and test well. Many people are needed to establish a good product. Changing too much at the same time, will lead to problems that are not easy to determine or solve.
What one wants, and what happens, seem to be different sometimes....
I sometimes share Peters vieuw at many points, but manage to get the distro workable... (But i believe that it should work out of the box shouldn't it?)
I somehow get the feeling that we are suffering from the lay-offs, leaving the remaining guys with too great a workload and hence to recent opening up of factory which has not yet kicked in to make up for the shortfall.
Please note that a large majority of suse people are currently working on some other releases at the moment. When they are finished, then we turn back to working on opensuse. So it will get better once those deadlines are passed, and we can focus all of our attention back on the openSUSE release. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Greg KH wrote:
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 02:53:09PM +0100, Sid Boyce wrote:
Oddball wrote:
Sid Boyce schreef:
The distro has problems of a pre-Alpha nature that crept in just pre Milestone 1 and are still present. Regards Sid.
I thought milestone 1, replaced alpha 1. If this is right, we would be at alpha 3 around now, no? I do not recall to have better alpha's earlier.
In fact the first alpha has to me allways been the best, since 10.0, than it gets worse, and after that it becomes slightly better, because of bugs noticed, workarounds, and some fixes. (Some bugs hang around for a few rounds: wifi trouble, amarok. Some pkgs that are usefull. dissappear, to never be replaced or come back. One forgets even the name.... little prog to empty the server-mailbox. It is a little annoying to use a seperate pc or laptop, or wine with mailwasher to empty a server mailbox....but ok, one gets used to everything i guess, which won't say that is good..)
I do not know if shouting at developers will help to improve the distro..
The only thing i know helps is: work hard, and test well. Many people are needed to establish a good product. Changing too much at the same time, will lead to problems that are not easy to determine or solve.
What one wants, and what happens, seem to be different sometimes....
I sometimes share Peters vieuw at many points, but manage to get the distro workable... (But i believe that it should work out of the box shouldn't it?)
I somehow get the feeling that we are suffering from the lay-offs, leaving the remaining guys with too great a workload and hence to recent opening up of factory which has not yet kicked in to make up for the shortfall.
Please note that a large majority of suse people are currently working on some other releases at the moment. When they are finished, then we turn back to working on opensuse. So it will get better once those deadlines are passed, and we can focus all of our attention back on the openSUSE release.
thanks,
greg k-h
Thanks for the update, now we have a peek behind the wall. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi Peter, On Saturday 11 July 2009 01:47:42 Peter Nikolic wrote:
I have used Opensuse now for some years since the days of 5.3 in fact and Linux in general well before that since the days of the Early 0.9 kernels all floppy distro no X i also ran Slackware and Red Hat and tested a few more along the way so i know a thing or two about Linux i have even brewed up my own distro at one time .
It has to be said now after attempting to get 11.2 MS2 and 11.2 MS3 to play the game the standards of releases has fallen to a new all time low how on earth have you got the front to call these releases anything other than Alpha at best .
Please take into account that 11.2 Milestones are indeed Alphas and not releases. These milestones have only minimal testing.
The sound system is a total mess this pulseaudio thing is what nothing more than a total blight on the system there needs to be a choice for users risk pulseaudio or can that and run safe Alsa sound system . I know you are going to say Alsa doesn't do this or that but unlike pulseaudio it never failed to work it never chopped the audio
Beagle ! what a total pain and complete resource hog once again it needs to be a LOT easier to un-install or not install at all With the requisite warning for those that do install it beware it will hog your CPU for excessive amounts of time , Likewise Nepomuk .
There's work going on for beagle to not enable it by default.
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There is a lot more i could mention maybe i will shortly but one thing is for sure the situation as of this moment is a total disgrace to the SuSe name and a very poor shadow of it's former good name sort it out people , There is no point being the first ones to release something if it is a complete screwup a little more time in the R&D and less in the sales will work wonders
I doubt that we're the first ones to release everything. We integrate early in factory to get early testing - and that's the purpose of the Milestones. With early testing - and bugreporting, - we will also do early fixing. Also problems can be reported in time to the upstream authors so that they help with fixes. This all ensures that the final release is stable. And once we have the final release, we might be the last ones to release - and to release a stable product. You're more than welcome to report bugs or fix issues, we have opened factory so that everybody can participate, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:47:42 -0700, Peter Nikolic
I have used Opensuse now for some years since the days of 5.3 in fact and Linux in general well before that since the days of the Early 0.9 kernels all floppy distro no X i also ran Slackware and Red Hat and tested a few more along the way so i know a thing or two about Linux i have even brewed up my own distro at one time .
It has to be said now after attempting to get 11.2 MS2 and 11.2 MS3 to play the game the standards of releases has fallen to a new all time low how on earth have you got the front to call these releases anything other than Alpha at best .
The sound system is a total mess this pulseaudio thing is what nothing more than a total blight on the system there needs to be a choice for users risk pulseaudio or can that and run safe Alsa sound system . I know you are going to say Alsa doesn't do this or that but unlike pulseaudio it never failed to work it never chopped the audio
Beagle ! what a total pain and complete resource hog once again it needs to be a LOT easier to un-install or not install at all With the requisite warning for those that do install it beware it will hog your CPU for excessive amounts of time , Likewise Nepomuk .
KDE now i actually don't happen to believe all that has been said about the use of or rather almost ENFORCED use of KDE4.x and whilst it is sort of shaping up it will not be ready for the 11.2 release no way too much still don't play ball nice at all and needs sorting a lot to do with multimedia just plain does not work or if it does thanks to the enforced use of that pulseaudio stuff jitters and skips or as happens here when playing a DVD it stops then repeats a sylable carries on for a few seconds then does the same again well i spose if you like Norman Collier that's all well and good i think he's a prat .
It seems now that no one actually gives a monkeys about the standards of the releases now that some members of staff have been dispensed with it seems and quite probably others the wrong staff members were dispensed with what is it going to take to get this distro back on track and back to a decent standard , Even the Ill fated 10.0 was far better than 11.2 is right now and arguably better than 11.2 as well.
Then we have this whole License thing about codecs and DVD playing software things like DHT as well , People purchase a distro and rightfully so expect to be able to install it bang in a DVD and have it play not go faffing around having to instantly pollute a new install with essentially foreign packages not everyone has a good enough Internet connection to do that any way , maybe it is time for Opensuse to find a new home where German licensing rules don't apply .
This mail is aimed squarley at the Opensuse team who o know will call me for everything under the sun plus some it is a two way street don forget i have gripes with quite a few there who's attitudes STINK but i am not interested in them right now , Contray to the comments that will come in from one in perticular a lot of the content of this email will be agreed by a considerable number of people a lot will keep stum they dont want their name to appear thats ok by me some may just get brave enough to agree fair dincum blue but do not for one moment think i am a one off this world is full of people that think one thing and say another for the sake of not standing out
There is a lot more i could mention maybe i will shortly but one thing is for sure the situation as of this moment is a total disgrace to the SuSe name and a very poor shadow of it's former good name sort it out people , There is no point being the first ones to release something if it is a complete screwup a little more time in the R&D and less in the sales will work wonders
Pete .
Everyone is open to give their opinion, but it's much better warranted when you give better or more examples, or compare how another distribution does the same process (but better). Sounds like all your complaints are pretty much "linux" and not openSUSE in general. Even one of the most popular distributions (that in Ubuntu) ships without codec support, ships with pulse audio (and the latest Alpha build is giving me a hard kernel stop). How about the problem with Arch linux when you try to install in VirtualBox? Again, another kernel hard stop when udev starts to probe. Many of your initial complaints seemed to be geared towards staffing, which could be a more reasonable complaint, but you realize they are sponsored by Novell and we're in the middle of a massive global recession, right? Novell has share holders to please. I agree the in its current state openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 3 isn't great (ie Compiz w/ Nvidia doesn't work well, and LVM booting is broken on / although it was fixed IN time for M3) you can't judge a final product (openSUSE 11.2) by its Alpha stage products (yes, I agree they should re-instate the real meanings and drift away from Milestones). The openSUSE line has the bleeding edge packages, and sometimes these packages aren't perfect and have some issues that need to be sorted out. These are typically fixed, figured out before sending it to their SLED line. So if you're not looking for bleeding edge and supported stability you should consder trying the SLED line of products. I do however wish we still had a KDE 3.5 choice on the DVD (but I realize that keeping them side by side would just cause developers to have less time to work on the stuff going foreward).. how many other distributions have KDE 3.5? Now think of their versioning in general, they are not targeted at bleeding edge. Kubuntu dropped KDE3 when KDE 4.0.0 came out pretty much. Ben -- If you don't know what you want, you end up with a lot you don't. -Fight Club -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 14 Jul 2009 00:23:38 Ben Kevan wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:47:42 -0700, Peter Nikolic
Everyone is open to give their opinion, but it's much better warranted when you give better or more examples, or compare how another distribution does the same process (but better).
Sounds like all your complaints are pretty much "linux" and not openSUSE in general. Errrrrr NO
Even one of the most popular distributions (that in Ubuntu) ships without codec support, ships with pulse audio (and the latest Alpha build is giving me a hard kernel stop). How about the problem with Arch linux when you try to install in VirtualBox? Err what is this fastination with running in virtual systems never have never will so never going to affect
Again, another kernel hard stop when udev starts to probe. Many of your initial complaints seemed to be geared towards staffing, which could be a more reasonable complaint, but you realize they are sponsored by Novell and we're in the middle of a massive global recession, right? Novell has share holders to please. I could care less about shareholders they pays their money they takes their chances , That is no excuse sorry to say
I agree the in its current state openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 3 isn't great (ie Compiz w/ Nvidia doesn't work well, and LVM booting is broken on / although it was fixed IN time for M3) you can't judge a final product (openSUSE 11.2) by its Alpha stage products (yes, I agree they should re-instate the real meanings and drift away from Milestones). The openSUSE line has the bleeding edge packages, and sometimes these packages aren't perfect and have some issues that need to be sorted out.
Well i have found in previous release cycles that if the major problems aint sorted by now they aint going away till the next release version ie 11.3 or whatever they deciede to call it
These are typically fixed, figured out before sending it to their SLED line. So if you're not looking for bleeding edge and supported stability you should consder trying the SLED line of products.
HUm so you are happy that all the crap is pointed at us then SLED and co reap the rewards these fixes should also be with us and if Novell wants to charge others for them so be it the work is done here in Opensuse therefore we should get the FULL benefits of it Sorry i am not a Corperate stoog i think they suck big time .
I do however wish we still had a KDE 3.5 choice on the DVD (but I realize that keeping them side by side would just cause developers to have less time to work on the stuff going foreward).. how many other distributions have KDE 3.5? Now think of their versioning in general, they are not targeted at bleeding edge. Kubuntu dropped KDE3 when KDE 4.0.0 came out pretty much.
Ben
The only reason i got caught up in this darn fiasco was that i had a drive die that was my main drive on this box taking all my 10.3 with it tried to reinstall to find the DVD was frelled tried 11.0 thanks but no thanks 11.1 similar slightly better 11.2 was showing promise on it's first release but since has crashed and burned so it looks like i have got to try rescue my dead 10.3 drive that right now the bios does not even see like wise the crappy SATA 1Tb multimedia drive Pete
Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Tuesday 14 Jul 2009 00:23:38 Ben Kevan wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:47:42 -0700, Peter Nikolic
Everyone is open to give their opinion, but it's much better warranted when you give better or more examples, or compare how another distribution does the same process (but better).
Sounds like all your complaints are pretty much "linux" and not openSUSE in general. Errrrrr NO
Even one of the most popular distributions (that in Ubuntu) ships without codec support, ships with pulse audio (and the latest Alpha build is giving me a hard kernel stop). How about the problem with Arch linux when you try to install in VirtualBox? Err what is this fastination with running in virtual systems never have never will so never going to affect
We have been doing it on mainframes since the early 1980's to the delight of customers. We've seen datacentres with a proliferation of little boxes each running one workload at 10% CPU and pushing electricity bills through the roof and demanding ever more expensive floor space, that's where VM's come into their own. Think also of the pain of dual-booting vs. the ability to run any number of Linux distros, Windows, BSD, etc. all on one desktop with good performance on all when the basic iron would loaf along running a single OS. I have had in the recent past software that wouldn't build on openSUSE, built in a Kubuntu VM and copied it across to openSUSE - all the VM's on the same network segment as the main box. It surely beats whatever comes a distant second. <STUFF DELETED>
Pete
Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Subject: [opensuse-factory] General Poor quality of Opensuse
From: Peter Nikolic
I have used Opensuse now for some years since the days of 5.3 in fact and Linux in general well before that since the days of the Early 0.9 kernels all floppy distro no X i also ran Slackware and Red Hat and tested a few more along the way so i know a thing or two about Linux i have even brewed up my own distro at one time .
It has to be said now after attempting to get 11.2 MS2 and 11.2 MS3 to play the game the standards of releases has fallen to a new all time low how on earth have you got the front to call these releases anything other than Alpha at best .
The sound system is a total mess this pulseaudio thing is what nothing more than a total blight on the system there needs to be a choice for users risk pulseaudio or can that and run safe Alsa sound system . I know you are going to say Alsa doesn't do this or that but unlike pulseaudio it never failed to work it never chopped the audio
Beagle ! what a total pain and complete resource hog once again it needs to be a LOT easier to un-install or not install at all With the requisite warning for those that do install it beware it will hog your CPU for excessive amounts of time , Likewise Nepomuk .
KDE now i actually don't happen to believe all that has been said about the use of or rather almost ENFORCED use of KDE4.x and whilst it is sort of shaping up it will not be ready for the 11.2 release no way too much still don't play ball nice at all and needs sorting a lot to do with multimedia just plain does not work or if it does thanks to the enforced use of that pulseaudio stuff jitters and skips or as happens here when playing a DVD it stops then repeats a sylable carries on for a few seconds then does the same again well i spose if you like Norman Collier that's all well and good i think he's a prat .
It seems now that no one actually gives a monkeys about the standards of the releases now that some members of staff have been dispensed with it seems and quite probably others the wrong staff members were dispensed with what is it going to take to get this distro back on track and back to a decent standard , Even the Ill fated 10.0 was far better than 11.2 is right now and arguably better than 11.2 as well.
Then we have this whole License thing about codecs and DVD playing software things like DHT as well , People purchase a distro and rightfully so expect to be able to install it bang in a DVD and have it play not go faffing around having to instantly pollute a new install with essentially foreign packages not everyone has a good enough Internet connection to do that any way , maybe it is time for Opensuse to find a new home where German licensing rules don't apply .
This mail is aimed squarley at the Opensuse team who o know will call me for everything under the sun plus some it is a two way street don forget i have gripes with quite a few there who's attitudes STINK but i am not interested in them right now , Contray to the comments that will come in from one in perticular a lot of the content of this email will be agreed by a considerable number of people a lot will keep stum they dont want their name to appear thats ok by me some may just get brave enough to agree fair dincum blue but do not for one moment think i am a one off this world is full of people that think one thing and say another for the sake of not standing out
There is a lot more i could mention maybe i will shortly but one thing is for sure the situation as of this moment is a total disgrace to the SuSe name and a very poor shadow of it's former good name sort it out people , There is no point being the first ones to release something if it is a complete screwup a little more time in the R&D and less in the sales will work wonders
Pete .
Transpires from your statements that you are a person with good experience and knowledge of the Linux world. At the end I sense in your words, more a constructive provocation than a unjustified criticism directed to openSUSE. I think it would be beneficial for everyone to have more people like you continuing with these constructive provocation, but of course there are limitations imposed by other rules that are out of a specific openSUSE decison: Beagle PulseAudio Codecs licence Nevertheless I think it is not worthwhile to insist over the naming that openSUSE likes to adopt for its development releases: Milestone, Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta or Sancho Panza, the fact is that are existing only three flavours of the same core: 1) enterprise (SLES) 2) open_Stable (openSUSE) 3) open_Unstable (openSUSE_Factory) Then, which of these you want to use is up only on YOU. BR, Marco -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpclN8ACgkQi4zJuA3lyFe15ACfcjrLTam3YYMiQaz1a8Gxj2I1 mzMAoIYxB/ZHkgTun4UAC6+TIYRRy4r8 =ilBv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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