On Sunday 04 August 2013 11:41:07 Roman Bysh wrote:

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I know that this is a burden on the Gnome community team as that they are maintaining the GStreamer packages., but I hope that we can still have both versions in 13.1 so that all desktops can enjoy their respective multimedia functions.

Regards

Raymond

It still might take another version or two. Yes?

I hope not, but one can never be sure on this. Work already started more than 6 months ago, but no real progress. Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Hi, guys, As openSUSE doesn't distribute restricted codecs by default, there might be a "shield" effect among us: After we've done the openSUSE part, we think it is done.(In this case, we don't even have the openSUSE part done). But that's not true in the user experience field. End users always have OSS and Packman at the same time. Packman has a lot less maintainers than us, while have a lot more multimedia packages than openSUSE. So no matter what we've done here, we'll be drawn back due to Packman. (Packman don't have any such plan yet) Here's the truth: most of Packman packages still depend on gstreamer-0_10. So anyway end users will have two versions of gstreamer on their systems. This is a hard balance we can't have an answer at all: 1. If we procede with gstreamer-1_0, users will mess their systems with multiversions of multimedia. There's no clear view of what package depends on what version for them. (There's no way to _port_ all the packages to gstreamer-1_0 without support from upstream. ) 2. If we don't, actually we're dead in the multimedia field. Because we will not have any new updates from gstreamer. Greetings Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 08/06/2013 09:11 AM, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

Quoting Marguerite Su :

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Hi, guys,

As openSUSE doesn't distribute restricted codecs by default, there might be a "shield" effect among us: After we've done the openSUSE part, we think it is done.(In this case, we don't even have the openSUSE part done).

But that's not true in the user experience field. End users always have OSS and Packman at the same time. Packman has a lot less maintainers than us, while have a lot more multimedia packages than openSUSE.

So no matter what we've done here, we'll be drawn back due to Packman. (Packman don't have any such plan yet)

I'm not sure I follow.. there is already now NO WAY to install a GNOME based system and not having GStreamer 1.0 on it.

And there is no way of installing a KDE System and not having GStreamer 0.10 on it.

Originally, when I proposed the goal, it was already clear to me that this is likely NOT going to happen for 13.1; yet, having the goal formulated was sufficient to gain attraction of various maintainers even benig aware that they could SWITCH to GST 1.0 (some upstreams were ready for this).

A bunch of packages I ported myself (most of them are not rocket science... ). Some upstreams simply put their head in the sand and hope it will go away (no calling anybody by name here.. the respective upstreams know).

So, yes... we will ship GST 0.10 and 1.0 (or maybe 1.2.. to be seen) in 13.1... and likely also in 13.2... the goal MUST BE though to minimize the amount of packages depending on the 0.10 branch... as much as we can (as there are NO updates going to happen for the 0.10 branch).

If, at noe point, nothing inside Factory depends on 0.10 we can even drop it... which does not mean PM does have to drop it, if they have other stuff depending on it.

Cheers, Dominique

That's what I meant that it may take 2 - 3 distro versions for Gstreamer. -- Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org