Hi As no objections, only encouragement was received from the list, I just posted this to the SchoolForge mailing list: <message> Hi all Following David's suggestion of national versions of SchoolForge, timed rather neatly with a very successful Open Source in Education conference here in the UK, I'm pleased to announce that SchoolForge UK is up and more or less functional. Official UK press releases are provisionally set for the 25th of this month (timed for the main education publication). The lag is to ensure there's already some content on the site (http://schoolforge.org.uk) and preferably an impressive list of UK affiliates. Do we have to do anything in relation to "joining" SchoolForge International? Regards Chris Puttick IT Manager Central Manchester City Learning Centre </message> The ball's rolling now... It's worth people having a quick look at the main SchoolForge site (http://schoolforge.net) as they have some fairly sensible policies and approaches we would do well to draw upon. I particularly like the logo/link requirement. All comments to this list for now please (pending a SchoolForge UK one...). Cheers Chris
On the schoolforge.org.uk site it mentions that you are in need of web space and a webmaster. If this is still required, New Media would be happy to offer web space and administration, free of charge. The machine that I have in mind is a dual Xeon IBM xSeries, running RH 7.3 (sorry SuSE people!), Apache, PHP, PostgreSQL, MySQL, etc. We can't offer web development resources (we already have far too much work on..) but I could perhaps find personal time to assist if necessary. Let me know if this is of use.. On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 13:31, Chris Puttick wrote:
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As no objections, only encouragement was received from the list, I just posted this to the SchoolForge mailing list:
<message>
Hi all
Following David's suggestion of national versions of SchoolForge, timed rather neatly with a very successful Open Source in Education conference here in the UK, I'm pleased to announce that SchoolForge UK is up and more or less functional. Official UK press releases are provisionally set for the 25th of this month (timed for the main education publication). The lag is to ensure there's already some content on the site (http://schoolforge.org.uk) and preferably an impressive list of UK affiliates.
Do we have to do anything in relation to "joining" SchoolForge International?
Regards
Chris Puttick IT Manager Central Manchester City Learning Centre
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The ball's rolling now... It's worth people having a quick look at the main SchoolForge site (http://schoolforge.net) as they have some fairly sensible policies and approaches we would do well to draw upon. I particularly like the logo/link requirement. All comments to this list for now please (pending a SchoolForge UK one...).
Cheers
Chris -- James Hurst mailto:james.hurst@new-media.co.uk
Hi all, I'm delighted to see all the progress that has been made with regard to establishing SchoolForge UK, etc. However I think perhaps it would be a good idea to move discussion to a more vendor-neutral mailing list - perhaps something@schoolforge.org.uk. (I'm willing to host if necessary - we have a seriously under-used mail server running qmail/ezmlm on Debian here.) (BTW whoever said something about case studies, if you send a template, I'll be delighted to fill it in.) -- Martin Orr Linux Administrator, Methodist College Belfast
On Friday 11 Apr 2003 2:50 pm, Martin Orr wrote:
Hi all,
I'm delighted to see all the progress that has been made with regard to establishing SchoolForge UK, etc. However I think perhaps it would be a good idea to move discussion to a more vendor-neutral mailing list -
I don't think you can get much less vendor-neutral than this one. Okay, it's got the name suse in there twice, but I've never seen anything on this list state that the topic has to stay based on Suse. Personally, asuming Roger et al don't mind I think that it would be better kept here so as not to get both fragmented and duplicated.
perhaps something@schoolforge.org.uk. (I'm willing to host if necessary - we have a seriously under-used mail server running qmail/ezmlm on Debian here.)
(BTW whoever said something about case studies, if you send a template, I'll be delighted to fill it in.)
-- Gary Stainburn This email does not contain private or confidential material as it may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000
On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 02:55:16PM +0100, Gary Stainburn wrote:
On Friday 11 Apr 2003 2:50 pm, Martin Orr wrote:
Hi all,
I'm delighted to see all the progress that has been made with regard to establishing SchoolForge UK, etc. However I think perhaps it would be a good idea to move discussion to a more vendor-neutral mailing list -
I don't think you can get much less vendor-neutral than this one. Okay, it's got the name suse in there twice, but I've never seen anything on this list state that the topic has to stay based on Suse.
I agree that the list is in fact vendor-neutral but for people who don't know that it's rather non-obvious and confusing. -- Martin Orr Linux Administrator, Methodist College Belfast
Folks, Head on over to http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/os.education where you can vote on keeping this Suse list, or migrating to a new one @schoolforge.org.uk. BTW @schoolforge.org.uk is already being used. Anyone should be able to cast their vote, even though it says "Members only". Voting closes in 16th April. Best regards, John Ingleby ************ On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 15:13, Martin Orr wrote:
On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 02:55:16PM +0100, Gary Stainburn wrote:
On Friday 11 Apr 2003 2:50 pm, Martin Orr wrote:
Hi all,
I'm delighted to see all the progress that has been made with regard to establishing SchoolForge UK, etc. However I think perhaps it would be a good idea to move discussion to a more vendor-neutral mailing list -
I don't think you can get much less vendor-neutral than this one. Okay, it's got the name suse in there twice, but I've never seen anything on this list state that the topic has to stay based on Suse.
I agree that the list is in fact vendor-neutral but for people who don't know that it's rather non-obvious and confusing.
-- Martin Orr Linux Administrator, Methodist College Belfast
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Martin Orr
something@schoolforge.org.uk. (I'm willing to host if necessary - we have a seriously under-used mail server running qmail/ezmlm on Debian here.)
That's a kind offer, but I think it's important that a project trying to promote free software for education actually uses free software itself as much as possible, especially for public things like mail serving that it's also very good at. I look forward to reading your case study. I'm sure James will be throwing a template at you very soon ;-) MJR
MJ Ray
That's a kind offer, but I think it's important that a project trying to promote free software for education actually uses free software itself as much as possible, especially for public things like mail serving that it's also very good at.
I've been told that this didn't come out at all as I intended it. Reading it a couple of hours later, it does sound a bit patronising. Sorry. It wasn't meant like that at all. I just wanted to remind people that it's good to use what we're promoting ("eat our own dog food" as they say), and qmail is neither free software nor OSI open source. I hope everyone can agree with that, at least when free software to do the job exists today. I probably should have stayed off-list for a bit longer after work today, so that I calmed down. I've just had another reminder about why free software has so many practical benefits. Called by a customer to find out why he couldn't add more users to his webserver, I found a calculation like: available space = free space - space allocated to users which means that space allocated to users that is used is counted twice. The disk is about half-allocated, but the system won't add more users, claiming that the disk is full. The software is claimed "open source" but isn't OSI open source or FSF free software. Each file has a notice warning you not to modify it without express permission and warnings of dire consequences. I can see the bug, but if I fix it and something else breaks, I'll have a lot of problems. Very very very frustrating. Sorry for letting that frustration come across to the list earlier. It was a bit too close to what I was doing and, hey, it's the end of term and all sorts of deadlines for college were today, too. Happy end of term, MJR
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