Re: [suse-schools-usa] Fwd: [alg] Was in Linuxjournal now /.ed
On Thursday 18 April 2002 06:38, Andrew Choens wrote: If we set the boxes up so
they could tinker with, but not destroy the computers set-up, we might be amazed what they could teach themselves. There are lots of community based groups out there that might be interested in this sort of a plan.
Hi: No problem, Andrew. They destroy, and fix, and support is available through volunteers. The malicious destruction isn't a big problem, I don't think. Could be wrong, but at the same time, I don't think there's a realistic solution that would lend itself to this issue. We'll just have to deal with it, and make sure the schools have support available. Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/
Hmm, I disagree because of the type of problem being discussed. This is not a localized issue. This is a systemic issue that is becoming ingrained in the fundamental structure of our society. We are truly at risk at becoming a very divided country. When that happens, social instability is always the outcome. Because this is a systemic problem, some sort of a radical systemic action may be required. Linux coders got tired of the system and revolutionized computing. See the direction I'm going here? If computers can be harnessed at the community level, they can become tools of social empowerment. Schools are very likely to continue trudging along in the direction they have been going in for years. Heck, churches might be the ideal medium. They have large numbers of people coming to them, and people trust them, and churches tend to have an interest in education (not all of course). But, in poor areas, people tend to use the church down the street, not the other side of town, so the kids would have easy access to the cluster. As for destruction, I was actually referring to the system configuration. Permissions would need to be set up very carefully giving them access to some configuration options but nothing too powerful, or they might really confuse things, which would drive maintenance costs up. But, I do think they should be able to change languages, styles, and all other superficial settings as they explore the workings of the system. Installation of new programs should even be allowed, but not removal....see what I'm getting at? Peace --andy choens On Thursday 18 April 2002 02:26 pm, tom poe wrote:
On Thursday 18 April 2002 06:38, Andrew Choens wrote: If we set the boxes up so
they could tinker with, but not destroy the computers set-up, we might be amazed what they could teach themselves. There are lots of community based groups out there that might be interested in this sort of a plan.
Hi: No problem, Andrew. They destroy, and fix, and support is available through volunteers. The malicious destruction isn't a big problem, I don't think. Could be wrong, but at the same time, I don't think there's a realistic solution that would lend itself to this issue. We'll just have to deal with it, and make sure the schools have support available. Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/
Hi, Andrew: Try this on for size: http://www.worldccr.org/kiosks.htm Now, there's a systemic solution! If you're into marketing, this is a multi-million dollar commission, waiting for the right connection, and all you have to do, is get to the right corporate decision-maker for any developing country project of choice. Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/ On Thursday 18 April 2002 07:41, Andrew Choens wrote:
Hmm, I disagree because of the type of problem being discussed. This is not a localized issue. This is a systemic issue that is becoming ingrained in the fundamental structure of our society. We are truly at risk at becoming a very divided country. When that happens, social instability is always the outcome. Because this is a systemic problem, some sort of a radical systemic action may be required. Linux coders got tired of the system and revolutionized computing. See the direction I'm going here? If computers can be harnessed at the community level, they can become tools of social empowerment. Schools are very likely to continue trudging along in the direction they have been going in for years. Heck, churches might be the ideal medium. They have large numbers of people coming to them, and people trust them, and churches tend to have an interest in education (not all of course). But, in poor areas, people tend to use the church down the street, not the other side of town, so the kids would have easy access to the cluster. As for destruction, I was actually referring to the system configuration. Permissions would need to be set up very carefully giving them access to some configuration options but nothing too powerful, or they might really confuse things, which would drive maintenance costs up. But, I do think they should be able to change languages, styles, and all other superficial settings as they explore the workings of the system. Installation of new programs should even be allowed, but not removal....see what I'm getting at?
Peace --andy choens
On Thursday 18 April 2002 02:26 pm, tom poe wrote:
On Thursday 18 April 2002 06:38, Andrew Choens wrote: If we set the boxes up so
they could tinker with, but not destroy the computers set-up, we might be amazed what they could teach themselves. There are lots of community based groups out there that might be interested in this sort of a plan.
Hi: No problem, Andrew. They destroy, and fix, and support is available through volunteers. The malicious destruction isn't a big problem, I don't think. Could be wrong, but at the same time, I don't think there's a realistic solution that would lend itself to this issue. We'll just have to deal with it, and make sure the schools have support available. Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/
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Wow, if they manage to pull that off, it will be amazing. I think the comment of what will India do to the internet is very appropriate here. Man, its too bad they aren't hiring, I'd go to work for them tomorrow. On Thursday 18 April 2002 03:28 pm, tom poe wrote:
Hi, Andrew: Try this on for size: http://www.worldccr.org/kiosks.htm
Now, there's a systemic solution! If you're into marketing, this is a multi-million dollar commission, waiting for the right connection, and all you have to do, is get to the right corporate decision-maker for any developing country project of choice. Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/
On Thursday 18 April 2002 07:41, Andrew Choens wrote:
Hmm, I disagree because of the type of problem being discussed. This is not a localized issue. This is a systemic issue that is becoming ingrained in the fundamental structure of our society. We are truly at risk at becoming a very divided country. When that happens, social instability is always the outcome. Because this is a systemic problem, some sort of a radical systemic action may be required. Linux coders got tired of the system and revolutionized computing. See the direction I'm going here? If computers can be harnessed at the community level, they can become tools of social empowerment. Schools are very likely to continue trudging along in the direction they have been going in for years. Heck, churches might be the ideal medium. They have large numbers of people coming to them, and people trust them, and churches tend to have an interest in education (not all of course). But, in poor areas, people tend to use the church down the street, not the other side of town, so the kids would have easy access to the cluster. As for destruction, I was actually referring to the system configuration. Permissions would need to be set up very carefully giving them access to some configuration options but nothing too powerful, or they might really confuse things, which would drive maintenance costs up. But, I do think they should be able to change languages, styles, and all other superficial settings as they explore the workings of the system. Installation of new programs should even be allowed, but not removal....see what I'm getting at?
Peace --andy choens
On Thursday 18 April 2002 02:26 pm, tom poe wrote:
On Thursday 18 April 2002 06:38, Andrew Choens wrote: If we set the boxes up so
they could tinker with, but not destroy the computers set-up, we might be amazed what they could teach themselves. There are lots of community based groups out there that might be interested in this sort of a plan.
Hi: No problem, Andrew. They destroy, and fix, and support is available through volunteers. The malicious destruction isn't a big problem, I don't think. Could be wrong, but at the same time, I don't think there's a realistic solution that would lend itself to this issue. We'll just have to deal with it, and make sure the schools have support available. Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/
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Good point. How else do people learn how things work? The fastest way people learn is by taking apart things to see why they work. I learned the most about computers in one sitting the day I first installed Slackware Linux, because it made me look at each piece of hardware and figure out what was going on. Then it made me break down the OS itself to figure out how it all fit together -- mke2fs, fdisk, devices, packets, processes... the list goes on. Do you think Windoze with their "you don't need to know what we're doing while we install ourselves for you, just sit back and trust us to do it all correctly out of sight of your prying eyes" mentality actually helps people to learn about how a computer works? Show me a room full of 100 computer-illiterate IT professionals and I'll show you 100 MCSEs. Show me a room full of 100 people that use and understand Linux, and I'll show you 100 people qualified to fix, troubleshoot or upgrade any computer in the world. Alex Heizer http://www.synchcorp.com/alex http://www.synchcorp.com/alexheizer tom poe wrote:
On Thursday 18 April 2002 06:38, Andrew Choens wrote: If we set the boxes up so
they could tinker with, but not destroy the computers set-up, we might be amazed what they could teach themselves. There are lots of community based groups out there that might be interested in this sort of a plan.
Hi: No problem, Andrew. They destroy, and fix, and support is available through volunteers. The malicious destruction isn't a big problem, I don't think. Could be wrong, but at the same time, I don't think there's a realistic solution that would lend itself to this issue. We'll just have to deal with it, and make sure the schools have support available. Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/ _______________________________________________ Community_studios mailing list Community_studios@lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/community_studios
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