Speaking for myself, of course you can stay! There are a number of schools and other educational making use of Linux on both servers and desktops, often by thin client technology. To see some case studies, have a look at SchoolForge-UK (http://schoolforge.org.uk - the Wiki HomePage via the link on the left). Hopefully you'll find some other useful resources there too. Chris Puttick -----Original Message----- From: fsanta To: suse-linux-uk-schools@suse.com Cc: duncan@ctv.es Sent: 10/8/03 10:59 PM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] can we stay? Hi everyone. We are a small international school in Spain running courses for KS1-3, gcse and A-level. We use 8.2 on a 100% teaching lan basis. If we are allowed to stay on the list, could we ask if anyone else is using Linux over there? Not just as a server. Thanks, Steve. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help@suse.com
Ours works but it's slow especially when starting a lesson. AMD 1100 server with 20 PIV clients. All SuSE 8.2 AMD 1100 server with 786Mb 40Gb eide. Pressure to go back to samba :-( Steve.
How are you working 'over the LAN'? X? vnc? If all the OOo instances are running on your server I'd say you are certainly low on memory -- I upgraded to 512Mb on my machine in order to get decent performance for *one* client! Assuming your clients are capable of running OOo reasonably, I'd expect your performance to be better if you use the server just to serve the files (it gets less involved in the per-click operation of the application that way). A per-client copy of OOo itself will help too. Bob G On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, fsanta wrote:
Ours works but it's slow especially when starting a lesson. AMD 1100 server with 20 PIV clients.
All SuSE 8.2 AMD 1100 server with 786Mb 40Gb eide. Pressure to go back to samba :-( Steve.
On Thursday 09 October 2003 13:33, fsanta wrote:
On Thursday 09 October 2003 10:54, you wrote:
How are you working 'over the LAN'? X? vnc?
NFS via NIS with autofs. The OOo is local on the clients with a central fileserver. OOo-1.1.0 Steve.
Looks to me like the eide hard disk could be the bootleneck for NFS. Much better with a scsi disk and a 64bit scsi card if you can get it. regards garry
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 17:40, garry saddington wrote:
On Thursday 09 October 2003 13:33, fsanta wrote:
On Thursday 09 October 2003 10:54, you wrote:
How are you working 'over the LAN'? X? vnc?
NFS via NIS with autofs. The OOo is local on the clients with a central fileserver. OOo-1.1.0 Steve.
Looks to me like the eide hard disk could be the bootleneck for NFS. Much better with a scsi disk and a 64bit scsi card if you can get it. regards
If you have plenty of RAM, its not that likely to be disc access since
everything will get cached and come out of RAM won't it? Ok it will
speed up the initial cacheing but after that?
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ian
On Thursday 09 October 2003 18:48, ian wrote:
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 17:40, garry saddington wrote:
On Thursday 09 October 2003 13:33, fsanta wrote:
On Thursday 09 October 2003 10:54, you wrote:
How are you working 'over the LAN'? X? vnc?
NFS via NIS with autofs. The OOo is local on the clients with a central fileserver. OOo-1.1.0 Steve.
Looks to me like the eide hard disk could be the bootleneck for NFS. Much better with a scsi disk and a 64bit scsi card if you can get it. regards
If you have plenty of RAM, its not that likely to be disc access since everything will get cached and come out of RAM won't it? Ok it will speed up the initial cacheing but after that?
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Maybe it could as we are also serving the user kde files from the same server. Anyone with a similar setup? On a school budget? Cheers, Steve.
On 2003-10-09 09:54:02 +0100 Robert J Gautier
If all the OOo instances are running on your server I'd say you are certainly low on memory -- I upgraded to 512Mb on my machine in order to get decent performance for *one* client!
Some people at the expo were asking for advice on office-type software to run on lower-spec "recycled" machines because they found OOo too heavy. I didn't really know what to tell them and the RedHat chap (name forgotten just now) could only suggest AbiWord and Gnumeric. What would other people suggest? I know of SIAG office, but its user interface needs bringing up to date. GNUstep's Ink is quite light, but that's more a rich text editor than a word processor let alone an office suite. Has any list member a tried-and-tested answer? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ PM 8+9 Oct: visit me @ AFFS on .ORG stand, at www.linuxexpo.org.uk
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lesson. AMD 1100 server with 20 PIV clients.
All SuSE 8.2 AMD 1100 server with 786Mb 40Gb eide. Pressure to go back to samba :-( Steve.
Get more RAM! We did some calculations (ok estimates) earlier this year... these figures are from memory, so please correct me if I'm wildly wrong. This is for LTSP : With Oo the memory required for the first instance is several hundred meg, say 500MB and the processing overhead similar say 400MHz... The load for each additional X client session is around 40MB and about 50MHz. When we did the sums I noticed that the figures came out to be about 1MB:1MHz, for them both being bottlenecked at the same time. ===== rgds, Richard Rothwell -------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't teach pigs to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pigs. Robert Kiyosaki ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 12:37, Richard Rothwell wrote:
--- fsanta
wrote: > Ours works but it's slow especially when starting a lesson. AMD 1100 server with 20 PIV clients.
All SuSE 8.2 AMD 1100 server with 786Mb 40Gb eide. Pressure to go back to samba :-( Steve.
Get more RAM! We did some calculations (ok estimates) earlier this year... these figures are from memory, so please correct me if I'm wildly wrong.
This is for LTSP :
With Oo the memory required for the first instance is several hundred meg, say 500MB and the processing overhead similar say 400MHz...
The load for each additional X client session is around 40MB and about 50MHz.
When we did the sums I noticed that the figures came out to be about 1MB:1MHz,
1 gig? That seems about right. We did some tests with 1 gig P3s and 512
meg and RAM was definitely the limiting factor. When 1 Gig memory sticks
come down to the cost of two 512 meg sticks its going to be fairly
inexpensive (relatively) to put 2 or more gig in and even with 2.4 gig
processors and 1.5 gig you can run 20 clients depending on exactly what
you are doing.
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ian
On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 12:37:54PM +0100, Richard Rothwell wrote:
--- fsanta
wrote: > Ours works but it's slow especially when starting a lesson. AMD 1100 server with 20 PIV clients.
All SuSE 8.2 AMD 1100 server with 786Mb 40Gb eide. Pressure to go back to samba :-( Steve.
Get more RAM! We did some calculations (ok estimates) earlier this year... these figures are from memory, so please correct me if I'm wildly wrong.
This is for LTSP :
One thing to remember is that with a thin client application server you need to have sufficent physical RAM. Attempting to use swap space is likely to cause thrashing... -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763
On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 10:43:59AM +0200, fsanta wrote:
Ours works but it's slow especially when starting a lesson. AMD 1100 server with 20 PIV clients.
PIV?
All SuSE 8.2 AMD 1100 server with 786Mb 40Gb eide. Pressure to go back to samba :-(
Try putting more RAM in... What is "uptime" and "cat /proc/meminfo" returning. -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763
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Chris Puttick
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fsanta
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garry saddington
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ian
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Mark Evans
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MJ Ray
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Richard Rothwell
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Robert J Gautier