I find the irony of this far more interesting... :) -- Thomas Adam As an american I am not sure I understand that word irony, it's not in my dictionary. Btw, I am not american, just worked with them for some time, perhaps other alleged cases such as 'ms'-dos ( from a small seattle based company), gui (from a small company called Xerox), nt kernel {from a small company called digital or DEC depending on your age), tcp/ip and utilities from University of California Berkley/BSD), Xenix (from BSD) to name ones that occur to me immediatley could also be considered as stories that need to be told. Yours cordially Paul