Michael Brown wrote: "If you would like some free advice, with no strings attached, then please e-mail me direct or repost the question in a free [1] forum such as the Usenet newsgroup uk.education.schools-it." [1] in the sense of "free speech", not "free beer" ------- Am I to imply from this that you have been told that you cannot exercise "free speech" on this forum or only that you cannot push your particular business offerings here? Just interested. Paul
On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, paul.munro1 wrote:
"If you would like some free advice, with no strings attached, then please e-mail me direct or repost the question in a free [1] forum such as the Usenet newsgroup uk.education.schools-it." [1] in the sense of "free speech", not "free beer" ------- Am I to imply from this that you have been told that you cannot exercise "free speech" on this forum or only that you cannot push your particular business offerings here? Just interested.
Judge for yourself: I have been asked not to express *any* points of view relating to "applications", "solutions" or "technologies" in this forum as, apparently, it is "inappropriate" to mention such topics here. I would class that as being inconsistent with any reasonable notion of "free speech". If you want to continue this discussion, please feel free to e-mail me privately - I do not intend to say any more on this matter in this list. Michael Brown Fen Systems Ltd.
Judge for yourself: I have been asked not to express *any* points of view relating to "applications", "solutions" or "technologies" in this forum as, apparently, it is "inappropriate" to mention such topics here.
I would class that as being inconsistent with any reasonable notion of "free speech".
If you want to continue this discussion, please feel free to e-mail me privately - I do not intend to say any more on this matter in this
list. Hmm. Sidestepping the argument, what about the independent mailing list discussed at the meeting. I had thought after one week we would have one up and running? I have one myself (schools-lnx@sc.lug.org.uk), because of the lack of a platform-independent one, whilst recognizing the importance of the suse list - and thanks roger for allowing so much non-suse stuff here - it's not really appropriate for all the osie discussion. We need several osie lists along the lines of: discussion@ advocacy@ lobbying@ support@ KS1@ etc., to cover the main areas, starting with discussion@ Is there a problem setting these up? I note that the osie site is still under a UK2.net banner with infamous blink tag (non-netscape users count your blessings). Richard Smedley iTS-LiNUX ------------------------------- This mail was sent using ecmail
hi all in an attempt to 'put off' the impending flamefest, i feel it might be appropriate to say what i think this list is for and how people like Michael Brown can contribute constructively for majority. as i see it, the list is for both advocacy and technical advice, as far as i know it has not been used by anyone for commerical spamming. However, i made a comment to Michael today that i thought that he was putting his point of view too strongly, as an individual and without any form of mandate. In this community that can only come by reputation and experience. i welcome anyone's comments about configuring desktops and they should posted to the list, but not to the detriment of the whole list, which seems to have happened this week. i am really dissappointed about his comments on free speech in the context of this list. in the last couple of years i have become a realist and see the way forward for Linux/Open Source in education as offering realistic solutions. I have still a lot to learn on how to provide solutions to schools using a great and wonderful resource that the open source community provides. this list and any future OS(I?)E organisation should reflect the community consensus that as it moves forward and looks to the bigger picture, showing people that there is a viable solution as an alternative to proprietary software yours freely (as in speech and a bottle of Hoegarten) Malcolm On Monday 19 March 2001 19:33, you wrote:
Michael Brown wrote:
"If you would like some free advice, with no strings attached, then please e-mail me direct or repost the question in a free [1] forum such as the Usenet newsgroup uk.education.schools-it."
[1] in the sense of "free speech", not "free beer"
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Am I to imply from this that you have been told that you cannot exercise "free speech" on this forum or only that you cannot push your particular business offerings here?
Just interested.
Paul
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Malcolm Herbert wrote:
hi all in an attempt to 'put off' the impending flamefest,
That's a good word - I must remember that one :-)
However, i made a comment to Michael today that i thought that he was putting his point of view too strongly, as an individual and without any form of mandate. <snip> i am really dissappointed about his comments on free speech in the context of this list.
I am only going to make one comment on this: where speech is free, an individual should not require a "mandate" (i.e. some form of external approval) in order to put forward an individual point of view. Request followups to private e-mail or /dev/null please - this must by now be off-topic! :-)
in the last couple of years i have become a realist and see the way forward for Linux/Open Source in education as offering realistic solutions.
Sounds sensible to me.
yours freely (as in speech and a bottle of Hoegarten) Malcolm
Can we twist the interpretaion of that to mean that RedHat's buying the first round at the next meeting? ;-) Michael
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