July 2001 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy
by Coulton,G 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

> > I'm talking about workstations! I'm talking about adding a > Linux Server > as opposed to an NT / W2K / XP Server > Do I know what I'm talking about? LOL After today I don't think so LOL

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy
by Coulton,G 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

Hi Simon, I think something came across my desk in relation to Linux a while back. The reason we didn't respond is because :- a) Trying to manage the network growing as quick as most High Schools netwrks is very time consuming (to give you an idea I have 123 computers to set up using some form of OS, a language lab with 32 machines, interactive whiteboards and another computer room all before September). To change or look at something as (I hesitate to use this word) radical as Linux is a big step and eXTREMELY time consuming, where as I'm sure you'll agree - adding an NT Box as a BDC to the network is extremely simple :) B) Thinking about this - it is just time - there purely isn;t time to look into Linux properly and role it out as an OS or a Server Based system (Althought our next one is going to be - thanks to Phil Driscoll). I do beleive we need to look at Open Source Software within school more. Star Office is one particular way of looking forward. It's not convincing the ICT Departments in School Really. It's your other staff that find they have to learn yet more programs, styles of doing things and are (to be honest) quite against radical change of any description. > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Wood [mailto:Simon.Wood@pace.co.uk] > Sent: 11 July 2001 10:04 > To: Schools List > Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alan Harris [SMTP:alanh@bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch.uk] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 9:56 AM > > To: Ian Lynch > > Cc: Frank Shute; Schools List > > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy > > > > if we want this to work, and we want schools to go > opensource, then we, > > the open source community, are going to have to provide training > > materials, faq's and example lessons which lead to defined National > > Curriculum Levels. When we can do this THEN we can provide a total > > solution to the Microshaft problem.... > [Simon Wood] > I agree 100% with this, I spent some effort with my local LUG > (WYLUG) to put together a 'Schools Page' and wrote to a few > local schools presenting ourselves and offer support and > information if they wanted it. > > So far we have not heard anything back - I guess that > they are either > not interested or simply are too busy coping with the > other problems > that they have in school. > > I think it is a very difficult situation, if you are > too evangelical > you will only create barriers > > Simon Wood. > > PS If you want help (or to help out) in West Yorkshire > check the > WYLUG web site - http://www.wylug.org.uk > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com >

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy
by Simon Wood 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

> -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Harding [SMTP:hardingd@warlingham.surrey.sch.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 9:58 AM > To: Alan Harris; Ian Lynch > Cc: Frank Shute; Schools List > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy > > Here, here about school/educational software on opensource. I've just been > told that my proposed terminal server setup won't get the go ahead unless I > can prove the educational, not financial, viability! > [Simon Wood] What are they trying to achieve....? If it's a teaching aid to Computer Science class then I should have thought the bootp, tftp, networking, nfs, remote applications, etc, would have much to offer the students, If it's supposed to offer a service (such a web-browsing) then the educational aspect should be irrelivant, providing it works.

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

> Government won't do it - they are already in the M$ pocket Ahh - maybe not so much these days (hopefully), see: http://www.ukonline.gov.uk/online/citizenspace/default.asp?url=/online/citi… Also, The Register carry many stories about this sort of thing, including details of what the government are trying to do to turn around the gateway thing. http://www.theregister.co.uk/ There may be hope for us yet :-) Kevin.

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How little memory can we get away with
by Phil Driscoll 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Hi I've just installed Suse 7.2 on one of our 'scrounged' machines. The machines are 200MHz pentiums with 3Gb hard discs but only 32Mb RAM. During the installation I assigned the entire hard disc to Linux (letting Yast2 apportion boot root and swap) and installed the 'default with office' option - i.e. shed loads of stuff that we probably don't need :) Everything seems to work ok, but the KDE desktop frequently grinds to a near halt on redraws - you can see the screen slowly redraw on bit-blit operations, and the redraw is accompanied by a lot of disc thrashing. As a performance indicator, those who remember ARM 2 Archimedes redrawing in screen mode 21 won't be far off the mark. So, I disabled all services which I suspected we didn't need, to save on memory, however there seems to have been little or no performance improvement. Things get worse when running Star Office, which I guess is the biggest thing we would want to run. So, the question is: I'm I wasting my time trying to get KDE2 stuff working on a 32Mb machine, or can anyone point me at some tweaks that will make these machines useful? Cheers -- Phil Driscoll

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Demonstrating my ignorance?
by Alan Harris 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Hi everybody This is not really a Linux query because Linux doesn't have a problem with what I want to do.... If anybody out there is more experienced than I with NT4 then perhaps you can answer this query :- I want to split a single NT domain into two separate domains, at present the domain is using the following ip address range :- domain : olympus Ip : 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254 Netmask : 255.255.255.0 I want to split this into :- domain : olympus.cxm ip range : 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.2.254 asgard.cxm 192.168.3.1 to 192.168.4.254 Netmask : 255.255.0.0 At some point in the future asgard will be transferred to Linux only operation. I'm using the .cxm part as it's imaginary and neither network will be directly connected to the Internet. I know i could do this without any problems using Lan Manager but am not sure about NT4. Just to complicate matters, I need several servers to be visible to both domains (192.168.1.3 - Proxy, and 192.168.1.6 - bromcom). I assume that since i'm using CIDR for the addresses that shouldn't be a problem but i am happy to be corrected before I mess things up :) Alan ----------------------------------------------------- Alan Harris Network Manager Bryngwyn School Tel : 01554 750661 Fax : 01554 758255 E-mail: alanh(a)bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch ----------------------------------------------------- Notes: 1. The contents of this email may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown purposes! Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000. 2. The opinions expressed in this email are personal and may not be shared by Bryngwyn School. -----------------------------------------------------

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] How little memory can we get away with
by Chris Howells 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

> From: Derek Harding <hardingd(a)warlingham.surrey.sch.uk> > > I'd forget StarOffice, and look at KOffice, but then I am slightly biased > > ;) > > I've never got KOffice to run stable enough to use! What's your secret? Disclaimer: I have no idea how KOffice would cope in an education environment. I'm a Sixth Former at the moment, and I'm currently in the school Library, and typing this on a 486DX4 @ 100MHz, running Win 95. Unfortuantely, the school are heavy investors in RM crap, and I think NT4(servers)/Win95(desktops) is used throughout the school :( The first thing it to forget KOffice 1.0. KOffice 1.1beta is a *masssive* improvement over KOffice 1.0, and even the betas are significantly better. Before the final KOffice 1.0 release, there will be a release candidate and another beta as well. So basically, I would download the beta and try it -- it's really good IMHO. But then I'm slightly biased as I said (I help develop koffice.org and I'm trying to teach my self C++/Qt/KDE development). THe release schedule and resources are available on KOffice.org. Chris Howells

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] How little memory can we get away with
by Chris Howells 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

> From: Giles Nunn <giles(a)satproj.org.uk> > Star Office is pretty heavy on resources too. It will run in 32M but I > wouldn't bother except to prove it. With KDE2 and Star Office together > you will certainly need to go to at least 64M and to get good performance > I would aim at 128M (RAM is cheap now). StarOffice 5.2 runs terribly on my P2 300 with 192MB RAM (not much better than it ran when the box had 64MB RAM). StarOffice 5.1 crashes with XFree86 4.0.3. I'd forget StarOffice, and look at KOffice, but then I am slightly biased ;) Chris Howells

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Please Ignore, Just Testing
by adrian.wells 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Please Ignore, Just Testing Kind Regards Adrian Wells _______________________________________ Systems Manager Sidcot School Oakridge Lane, Winscombe, Somerset BS25 1PD. Please reply to adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk info(a)sidcot.org.uk for general enquiries admin(a)sidcot.org.uk for tech. enquiries

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D-Link NIC
by Coulton,G 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Hi, Can anyone tell me if you have any experience of the D-Link DFE-570TX 4 Port NIC Using Linux please? Thanks in advance. Gary Coulton Corpus Christi Catholic High School Neville Road, LEEDS. UK LS9 0TT Tel: +44 113 248 2666 Fax: +44 113 235 0758 Email: coultogi01(a)leedslearning.net Website: www.cchsleeds.demon.co.uk "Corpus Christi Catholic High School, has Technology College Status, and specialises in ICT, Maths, Science and Design Technology"

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