https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User teheo@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c2 --- Comment #2 from Tejun Heo 2008-04-20 23:17:52 MST --- The problem is also present on SL103. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User teheo@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c4 --- Comment #4 from Tejun Heo 2008-04-20 23:27:05 MST --- Created an attachment (id=209196) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=209196) Correct rendering -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 JP Rosevear changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mfabian@novell.com AssignedTo|bnc-team-gnome@forge.provo.novell.com |federico@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c7 --- Comment #7 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-21 10:22:19 MST --- Gulim doesn’t have bold, i.e. any Gulim you see in bold is artificially emboldened. UnDotum has a true bold version: mfabian@magellan:~$ fc-list : family style file | grep Gulim /home/mfabian/.fonts/gulim.ttc: Gulim,굴림:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/vista/gulim.ttc: GulimChe,굴림체:style=Regular /local/fonts/vista/gulim.ttc: GulimChe,굴림체:style=Regular /local/fonts/vista/gulim.ttc: Gulim,굴림:style=Regular /home/mfabian/.fonts/gulim16.pcf.gz: Baekmuk Gulim Wide:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/vista/gulim.ttc: Gulim,굴림:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/truetype/gulim.ttf: Baekmuk Gulim,백묵 굴림:style=Regular /home/mfabian/.fonts/gulim.ttc: GulimChe,굴림체:style=Regular mfabian@magellan:~$ fc-list : family style file | grep UnDotum /usr/share/fonts/truetype/UnDotumBold.ttf: UnDotum,은 돋움:style=Bold,Regular /usr/share/fonts/truetype/UnDotum.ttf: UnDotum,은 돋움:style=Regular mfabian@magellan:~$ -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c9 --- Comment #9 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-21 11:02:19 MST --- Created an attachment (id=209397) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=209397) bnc381779.html Simple test html file to reproduce the problem. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c11 --- Comment #11 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-21 11:15:55 MST --- The font “Dotum” is one of the faces in gulim.ttc (from Windows Vista): mfabian@magellan:~$ fc-list : family style file | grep Dotum /usr/share/fonts/truetype/UnDotumBold.ttf: UnDotum,은 돋움:style=Bold,Regular /usr/share/fonts/truetype/dotum.ttf: Baekmuk Dotum,백묵 돋움:style=Regular /home/mfabian/.fonts/gulim.ttc: DotumChe,돋움체:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/vista/gulim.ttc: DotumChe,돋움체:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/vista/gulim.ttc: Dotum,돋움:style=Regular /local/fonts/vista/gulim.ttc: DotumChe,돋움체:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/truetype/UnJamoDotum.ttf: UnJamoDotum,은 자모 돋움:style=Regular /home/mfabian/.fonts/gulim.ttc: Dotum,돋움:style=Regular /usr/share/fonts/truetype/UnDotum.ttf: UnDotum,은 돋움:style=Regular /local/fonts/vista/gulim.ttc: Dotum,돋움:style=Regular mfabian@magellan:~$ ftdump /local/fonts/vista/gulim.ttc | grep family family: Gulim family: GulimChe family: Dotum family: DotumChe mfabian@magellan:~$ -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c13 Mike Fabian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|federico@novell.com |mfabian@novell.com Status|NEW |ASSIGNED --- Comment #13 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-21 11:30:51 MST --- You can see in the right half of the last screenshot that some hanja are not rendered correctly as well when emboldened. Without the artificial emboldening, i.e. with xfd -fa "Dotum:weight=100:size=20" it looks OK. This seems to be a problem with the artificial emboldening in freetype2 (or maybe a bug in the font) but not a problem in firefox. → Reassign to me. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c15 --- Comment #15 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-21 13:22:41 MST --- Tejun Heo> My friend says turning off hinting for Gulim in .fonts.conf Tejun Heo> in Ubuntu does the trick but it doesn't work on suse (maybe Tejun Heo> some difference in system font configuration?). That is strange because hinting is already turned off on SuSE if fonts are artificially emboldened, see /etc/fonts/conf.d/90-synthetic.conf. This change was introduced by Zhe Su for SuSE to fix bug #158573, see bugzilla-158573-turn-off-hinting-when-embolden.patch in the fontconfig package. So it is not surprising that turning off hinting doesn’t change anything anymore fore artificially emboldened fonts on SuSE. It is surprising though that it fixes the problem on Ubuntu because if switching off the hinting helps, the problem wouldn’t have occured on SuSE at all. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User irtiger@gmail.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c17 --- Comment #17 from Alex Choi 2008-04-21 19:47:13 MST --- Tejun Heo's friend here... hehe ;) Exactly say, I had to turn off hinting for Dotum myself in Ubuntu Gutsy (7.10), but Hardy (8.04) doesn't require that. It renders Dotum well by default. Hardy's current fontconfig package version is 2.5.0-2ubuntu3. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User irtiger@gmail.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c19 --- Comment #19 from Alex Choi 2008-04-22 03:45:43 MST --- Of course gulim.ttc from Windows XP installed. ;) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c21 --- Comment #21 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-22 05:28:22 MST --- Alex, do the commands xfd -start 63744 -fa "Gulim:weight=200:size=20" xfd -start 63744 -fa "Dotum:weight=200:size=20" work for you on Ubuntu Hardy? Or do they show broken glyphs like those in the right half of the screenshot attached to comment #12? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c23 --- Comment #23 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-22 08:51:38 MST --- Alex> Ok. Tested on my hardy installation. xfd shows broken glyph as Alex> you see, but firefox's rendering is fine. I think that proves that the problem exists on Ubuntu Hardy as well. The reason that it works in Firefox is most likely that Firefox does *not* use Gulim or Dotum from gulim.ttc but some other font which doesn’t have this problem. For example UnDotum works. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c25 --- Comment #25 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-22 09:37:48 MST --- Yes Werner, I just tried to convince Alex that this is a bug in freetype, not in fontconfig and that it is not fixed in Ubuntu Hardy either. That it happens to work in Firefox sometimes must be because other fonts happen to be used which don’t suffer from that freetype bug. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c27 --- Comment #27 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-22 10:29:30 MST --- If the freetype bug is not going to be fixed soon, it might be useful to add the above workaround the the SuSE fontconfig setup. What do you think? Is this a reasonable idea? Does this workaround help you? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User teheo@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c29 --- Comment #29 from Tejun Heo 2008-04-22 21:00:14 MST --- Alex, thanks a lot for the detailed response. Can you please attach 90-synthetic.conf from ubuntu? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 Federico Mena Quintero changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status Whiteboard| |gnome-wrong-out-of-the-box -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c31 --- Comment #31 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-23 04:52:40 MST --- Alex> * Fabian's workaround doesn't work but I don't know why. I tested again, you are right, this workaround only works for the test page I attached to comment #9 but not for http://news.naver.com. Strange. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c33 --- Comment #33 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-23 05:03:56 MST --- Doesn’t work for me. Removing these lines doesn’t solve the problem for me, neither for my test page from comment #9 nor for http://news.naver.com. Replacing these lines with <edit name="hintstyle" mode="assign"> <const>hintfull</const> </edit> <edit name="hinting" mode="assign"> <bool>true</bool> </edit> <edit name="autohint" mode="assign"> <bool>true</bool> </edit> to make sure hinting is turned on doesn’t help either. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c35 --- Comment #35 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-23 08:34:34 MST --- Thank you for checking Tejun. If Alex’s workaround works for you, does it work for you as well if you replace the lines in 90-synthetic.conf which switch off the hinting with A) <edit name="hintstyle" mode="assign"> <const>hintfull</const> </edit> <edit name="hinting" mode="assign"> <bool>true</bool> </edit> <edit name="autohint" mode="assign"> <bool>true</bool> </edit> (full hinting using the autohinter) or B) <edit name="hintstyle" mode="assign"> <const>hintfull</const> </edit> <edit name="hinting" mode="assign"> <bool>true</bool> </edit> <edit name="autohint" mode="assign"> <bool>false</bool> </edit> (full hinting using the byte code interpreter). ? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c37 --- Comment #37 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-24 02:36:39 MST --- This is quite strange because this confirms that it works for you and Alex when hinting is turned *on* not off, i.e. just the opposite of what Alex claimed originally. *And* both versions of Ubuntu, Gutsy and Hardy have a freetype with the bug and have the same 90-synthetic.conf file, i.e. both use hinting for artificially emboldened fonts. On Gutsy I verified with xfd -start 63744 -fa "Gulim:weight=200:size=20" xfd -start 63744 -fa "Dotum:weight=200:size=20" that the problem exists there as well and that changing the hinting settings doesn’t make any difference whatsoever. Do these xfd commands work on your openSUSE system? On my openSUSE system they don’t work, no matter which hinting settings I use. Are we all using the same version of gulim.ttc? Actually I have two versions of gulim.ttc on my machine: mfabian@magellan:~$ ll /home/mfabian/.fonts/gulim.ttc -rwxr--r-- 1 mfabian suse 13518660 2004-05-13 16:03 /home/mfabian/.fonts/gulim.ttc* mfabian@magellan:~$ ll /usr/share/fonts/vista/gulim.ttc -r--r--r-- 1 mfabian suse 13525204 2006-07-03 15:57 /usr/share/fonts/vista/gulim.ttc mfabian@magellan:~$ The file size is slightly different but the version number is 2.21 for both of them. The gulim.ttc with the slightly smaller file size is from an older version of Windows. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User teheo@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c39 --- Comment #39 from Tejun Heo 2008-04-24 02:54:31 MST --- It could be that I misunderstood what Alex told me, so the hinting related part of the original report could be wrong. Here's what my gulim.ttc looks like. $ ls -l gulim.ttc -rw-rw-r-- 1 ftp devel 13518660 2002-09-17 21:35 gulim.ttc $ sha1sum gulim.ttc d4005cfc4a8dbca06f75dc10b84936d58a968ff1 gulim.ttc Both xfd commands give me broken characters. Fabian, do you have unfonts installed? FWIW, font-wise that's something I and Alex have in common but you probably don't. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c41 --- Comment #41 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-29 09:29:29 MST --- Tejun Heo> Both xfd commands give me broken characters. I think that shows that the hinting settings don’t fix the problem. I really don’t understand why fiddling with the hinting makes a difference for you in firefox, but if the xfd commands don’t work, I think the problem is still there and firefox apparently uses another font accidentally or maybe the embedded bitmaps of gulim instead of the outlines. Tejun Heo> Fabian, do you have unfonts installed? FWIW, font-wise Tejun Heo> that's something I and Alex have in common but you probably Tejun Heo> don't. Yes, I have both gulim.ttc *and* the “unfonts” package installed. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c43 --- Comment #43 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-30 04:25:00 MST --- Even in your case the workaround helps only for firefox, not for xfd. Checking your vmware image might help. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 User mfabian@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779#c45 --- Comment #45 from Mike Fabian 2008-04-30 10:10:34 MST --- Thank you, I’ve downloaded it. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381779 Mike Fabian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|mfabian@novell.com |hvogel@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.