[Bug 345187] New: maximum confusion for zypper: "Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]:"

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30 Nov 2007 30 Nov '07

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187 Summary: maximum confusion for zypper: "Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]:" Product: openSUSE 10.3 Version: Final Platform: All OS/Version: openSUSE 10.3 Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: Translations AssignedTo: ke@novell.com ReportedBy: Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de QAContact: ke@novell.com Found By: --- When "zypper update" requests the installation medium, it says (for German locale): Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]: Now 'y' and 'n' are English, and 'ja' and 'nein' are German. What is the user expected to enter? Maximum confusion! (Even though zypper might accept any of the answers, the text should be fixed) Despite of that, shouldn't there be a comma before the "oder"? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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30 Nov 30 Nov

15:19

New subject: [Bug 345187] maximum confusion for zypper: "Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]:"

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187#c1 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |jkupec@novell.com --- Comment #1 from Karl Eichwalder 2007-11-30 08:19:52 MST --- before taking any action, I'd like to ask the developer whether the y/n dialogs in zypper are also internationalized and thus to be localized, too? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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15:38

New subject: [Bug 345187] maximum confusion for zypper: "Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]:"

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187#c2 Ján Kupec changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |jkupec@novell.com Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|jkupec@novell.com | --- Comment #2 from Ján Kupec 2007-11-30 08:38:09 MST --- Yes, they are, but y/n works no matter what locale you are using. As for this particular problem, there is a translator comment (see below), but unfortunately a little bit misplaced, so the translator did not see it :O( sorry for that, my mistake. I just committed a fix. Here is the comment: // TranslatorExplanation translate letters 'y' and 'n' to whathever is appropriate for your language. // Try to check what answers does zypper accept (it always accepts y/n at least) // You can also have a look at the regular expressions used to check the answer here: // /usr/lib/locale//LC_MESSAGES/SYS_LC_MESSAGES -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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15:47

New subject: [Bug 345187] maximum confusion for zypper: "Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]:"

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187#c3 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED --- Comment #3 from Karl Eichwalder 2007-11-30 08:47:26 MST --- Thanks for the background info! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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4 Dec 4 Dec

09:39

New subject: [Bug 345187] maximum confusion for zypper: "Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]:"

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187 User ke@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187#c4 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|ke@novell.com |jkupec@novell.com Status|ASSIGNED |NEW --- Comment #4 from Karl Eichwalder 2007-12-04 02:39:03 MST --- In the meantime I ajudsted the German translation in SVN. Jan, I also encountered this message: #. TranslatorExplanation don't translate the 'y' and 'n', they can always be used as answers. #. The second and the third %s is the translated 'yes' and 'no' string (lowercase). #: ../src/zypper-callbacks.cc:152 #, c-format msgid "Invalid answer '%s'. Enter 'y' for '%s' or 'n' for '%s' if nothing else works for you" msgstr "" I'd say you would better recommend to translate 'y'/'n'. Once done, feel free to submit an updated zypper.pot to the trunk of suse-i18n. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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10:25

New subject: [Bug 345187] maximum confusion for zypper: "Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]:"

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187#c5 Ján Kupec changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |ke@novell.com --- Comment #5 from Ján Kupec 2007-12-04 03:25:50 MST --- Hm, i wanted to make sure people know that the can always use y/n (for the case their localized answers don't work for some reason). This message appears if you enter invalid answer on a prompt like: Frage? [ja/nein]: x Falsche Antwort '%s'. Wählen Sie 'y' für 'Ja' oder 'n' für 'Nein' wenn nichts anderes funktioniert. I thought it makes sense :O) But you can convince me otherwise, i am opened to suggestions. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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10:43

New subject: [Bug 345187] maximum confusion for zypper: "Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]:"

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187 User ke@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187#c6 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|jkupec@novell.com |ke@novell.com Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED Info Provider|ke@novell.com | --- Comment #6 from Karl Eichwalder 2007-12-04 03:43:56 MST --- Stupid me--now I see your point. Well done. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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10:44

New subject: [Bug 345187] maximum confusion for zypper: "Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]:"

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187 User ke@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187#c7 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #7 from Karl Eichwalder 2007-12-04 03:44:44 MST --- German translation adjusted in 10.3 branch and trunk. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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5 Dec 5 Dec

07:23

New subject: [Bug 345187] maximum confusion for zypper: "Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]:"

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187 User Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187#c8 --- Comment #8 from Ulrich Windl 2007-12-05 00:23:51 MST --- (In reply to comment #5 from Jan Kupec)

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Frage? [ja/nein]: x Falsche Antwort '%s'. Wählen Sie 'y' für 'Ja' oder 'n' für 'Nein' wenn nichts anderes funktioniert.

If that is from the real system: Did you notice that "[ja/nein]" uses lower case, while 'Ja' and 'Nein' uses capitalized words? be as consistent as you can, and suggest for input exactly what you actually accept. (MHO) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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08:07

New subject: [Bug 345187] maximum confusion for zypper: "Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]:"

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187 User ke@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187#c9 --- Comment #9 from Karl Eichwalder 2007-12-05 01:07:52 MST --- In the trunk, Ja/Nein is now capitalized. But I'll keep 'y'/'n' and 'j'/'n'. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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09:03

New subject: [Bug 345187] maximum confusion for zypper: "Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]:"

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187#c10 --- Comment #10 from Ján Kupec 2007-12-05 02:03:06 MST --- (In reply to comment #8 from Ulrich Windl)

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Frage? [ja/nein]: x Falsche Antwort '%s'. Wählen Sie 'y' für 'Ja' oder 'n' für 'Nein' wenn nichts anderes funktioniert.

If that is from the real system: Did you notice that "[ja/nein]" uses lower

No, i wrote that manually. This is from the real system: Fortfahren? [ja/nein]: Falsche Antwort ''. Wählen Sie 'y' für 'ja' oder 'n' für 'nein' wenn nichts anderes funktioniert.:

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case, while 'Ja' and 'Nein' uses capitalized words? be as consistent as you can, and suggest for input exactly what you actually accept. (MHO)

sure -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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New subject: [Bug 345187] maximum confusion for zypper: "Legen Sie Medium [] # 2 ein und drücken Sie 'y' um fortzufahren oder 'n' um die Operation abzubrechen. [ja/nein]:"

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345187#c11 --- Comment #11 from Ján Kupec 2007-12-05 02:07:42 MST --- (In reply to comment #9 from Karl Eichwalder)

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In the trunk, Ja/Nein is now capitalized. But I'll keep 'y'/'n' and 'j'/'n'.

There are four strings to translate: "Yes", "No", "yes", "no". The ones starting with a capital are used e.g. in tables, or zypper info output. The others are used in the prompts. Maybe it does not make sense to have both, maybe the lowercase ones might be enough... It's probably just that it's more 'visible' when written with capitals. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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