[Bug 437162] New: Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 Summary: Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed Product: openSUSE 11.1 Version: Factory Platform: Other OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: Patterns AssignedTo: coolo@novell.com ReportedBy: ben.kevan@gmail.com QAContact: qa@suse.de Found By: Beta-Customer On Beta3 the Games pattern is checked yet no games within the pattern are installed. I believe it became checked when I "checked" the KDE3 Base / DE. It shouldn't stay checked if nothing in it is installed. This is important in the enterprise, as I can prove that no games are installed on production systems. Thank you -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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24 Oct 24 Oct

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New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|Normal |Minor Priority|P5 - None |P4 - Low -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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14:06

New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User coolo@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c1 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |DUPLICATE --- Comment #1 from Stephan Kulow 2008-10-24 08:06:41 MDT --- *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 438179 *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=438179 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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9 Nov 9 Nov

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New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User coolo@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c2 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|DUPLICATE | --- Comment #2 from Stephan Kulow 2008-11-09 06:08:05 MST --- I was wrong with the duplicate. games does not require anything, but kde4_games requires kde4-kpat and extends games. So once you deinstall kde4-kpat, games should no longer be marked. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|coolo@novell.com |zypp-maintainers@forge.provo.novell.com Status|REOPENED |NEW Component|Patterns |libzypp -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|Minor |Normal -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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21:49

New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User schubi@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c3 Stefan Schubert changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |schubi@novell.com Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |ben.kevan@gmail.com --- Comment #3 from Stefan Schubert 2008-11-09 14:49:00 MST --- Is there a testcase ? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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10 Nov 10 Nov

12:29

New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User ma@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c4 Michael Andres changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |ma@novell.com Info Provider|ben.kevan@gmail.com |sh@novell.com --- Comment #4 from Michael Andres 2008-11-10 05:29:00 MST --- I suppose this is more a UI thing. The pattern is checked, if it is satisfied, i.e. all requirements are fulfilled. AFAIK games just requires pattern x11, everything else is just recommended. So it is likely the games pattern is almost always checked, as it does not require a single game. Vice versa, if the pattern is not checked, it does not prove there is no game installed. This would be the case IFF the pattern actually required all game packages. (In reply to comment #2 from Stephan Kulow)

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requires kde4-kpat and extends games. So once you deinstall kde4-kpat, games should no longer be marked.

If the UI actually evaluates 'satisfied', extends has no influence, as it is not known to the solver. Extends is a pure UI attribute. The pattens includes/extends attribute has an impact on the amount of packages shown in the 'content' list, but not on the patterns dependencies. To me this looks like a a duplicate of bug #438179. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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17:15

New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User ben.kevan@gmail.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c5 Ben Kevan changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|sh@novell.com | --- Comment #5 from Ben Kevan 2008-11-10 10:15:23 MST --- Stefan S, Do you want my yast logs? is that what you mean by test case? Michael it does seem to be like bug 438179 except that bug is marked as fixed (for the tablet portion) and I am still seeing the games behavior as of Beta 4.6 (from factory). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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14 Nov 14 Nov

12:47

New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c6 Ján Kupec changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |behlert@novell.com --- Comment #6 from Ján Kupec 2008-11-14 05:47:36 MST --- *** Bug 442307 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=442307 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c7 Ján Kupec changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |asklein@wpax13.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de --- Comment #7 from Ján Kupec 2008-11-14 05:48:00 MST --- *** Bug 442268 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=442268 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c8 Ján Kupec changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |sh@novell.com Severity|Normal |Major Priority|P4 - Low |P2 - High --- Comment #8 from Ján Kupec 2008-11-14 05:49:46 MST --- Increasing severity/priority - some patterns are not usable because of this. Huha, zypp hackers, what do we do with this? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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14:11

New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c9 Ján Kupec changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |visnov@novell.com, coolo@novell.com --- Comment #9 from Ján Kupec 2008-11-14 07:11:08 MST --- It seems the main problem is that we do not have the desired behavior/policy defined. In this case, the pattern only requires a package that is likely to be already marked/installed by another pattern (x11) => The pattern is evaluated as installed (?) even though none of its 'contents' are actually marked/installed (and the pattern itself is not marked for installation!). How to handle this case? There is nothing wrong from the solver POV with status quo, except that it is not usable by the UIs without further definition of pattern handling. Let's see... IMO we should evaluate patterns differently than packages in the UIs: * we should present a pattern to the user as installed IFF all of its _requires+recommends_ are installed/satisfied. We should provide a method for this in libzypp. * marking a non-installed pattern for installation should result in installation of requires+recommends. This works, AFAICS, unless onlyrequires = 1 (i don't know wheter GUIs set this flag somewhere). But it should work like this for patterns regardless of this flag! * marking a satisfied pattern for installation should result in installation of all of its not-yet-installed recommends. This shoud ideally done in the solver (special handling for patterns). But it can be done also in the UI layer of libzypp. * methods for marking/removing pattern's suggests would be nice as well * deleting a pattern would mean deleting all of its 'contents'. * deleting a package recommended by the pattern would render it 'not installed' but it would not remove any other packages of the pattern. So in the end, it could all be handled like this in the solver, not much to do in the UIs (just some interface to the 'install/remove all pattern's suggests' functionality). But whether we do this in UIs, libzypp, or the solver itself does not matter. First we need to agree on how to handle patterns. Any conceptual problem with this solution? Something missing? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c10 --- Comment #10 from Ján Kupec 2008-11-14 07:22:50 MST --- Of course, with the above solution the policy for creating patterns would be: - requires: core packages needed for the functionality represented by the pattern to run Rule: this should be as few packages/patterns as possible Example: games pattern -> x11 - recommends: the 'real contents' of the pattern Example: games pattern -> the game packages, or other game patterns - suggests: other related packages that user could want as well Example: games pattern -> game map editing tools, etc... Maybe this is the policy being in use already, but i did not see it documented anywhere. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c11 Ján Kupec changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |lslezak@novell.com --- Comment #11 from Ján Kupec 2008-11-14 07:28:30 MST --- BTW: we can discuss this on zypp-devel if you want. Bugzilla is not a good discussion forum... should i start a thread on zypp-devel? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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27 Nov 27 Nov

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New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User visnov@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c12 --- Comment #12 from Stanislav Visnovsky 2008-11-27 09:32:25 MST --- yes, please. It is certainly a feature request as it talks about changes of pattern behavior. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User visnov@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c13 Stanislav Visnovsky changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |coolo@novell.com --- Comment #13 from Stanislav Visnovsky 2008-11-27 09:33:39 MST --- Coolo, do you want to change the games pattern? Otherwise, we should close this bug as a feature request. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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New subject: [Bug 437162] Games Pattern is Checked even though no games are installed

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162 User coolo@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437162#c14 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|coolo@novell.com | --- Comment #14 from Stephan Kulow 2008-11-27 11:57:18 MST --- no, I don't want to install general games for a gnome or a kde desktop just to satisfy the checkmark. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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