http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c1 Vincent Untz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-gnome@forge.provo. |yast2-maintainers@suse.de |novell.com | --- Comment #1 from Vincent Untz 2009-11-20 15:07:57 UTC --- The installer is yast, so there's not much the GNOME team can do there. Maybe the solution is to change the default in X, which would be in the hands of the X team? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c3 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW CC| |sndirsch@novell.com Info Provider|sndirsch@novell.com | --- Comment #3 from Stefan Dirsch 2009-11-20 17:15:14 UTC --- So we now want to use <merge key="input.x11_options.TapButton1" type="string">0</merge> <merge key="input.x11_options.TapButton2" type="string">0</merge> <merge key="input.x11_options.TapButton2" type="string">0</merge> in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/11-x11-synaptics.fdi as default? What's the default in a KDE4, xfce, ... Xsession? Check with 'synclient -l' ... -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c4 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED Summary|Disable Tapping on |Disable Tapping on |touchpads in X? |touchpads in X --- Comment #4 from Stefan Dirsch 2009-11-20 21:43:24 UTC --- Apparently KDE4 doesn't enable TapButtons by default, so let's disable it in a consistent way. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c6 Hans-Peter Holler changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Version|RC 2 |Factory CC| |holler@nefkom.info Component|X.Org |X.Org Blocks| |561163, 561157 AssignedTo|sndirsch@novell.com |bnc-team-xorg-bugs@forge.pr | |ovo.novell.com Resolution|FIXED | Target Milestone|--- |Factory Product|openSUSE 11.2 |openSUSE 11.3 Severity|Enhancement |Normal --- Comment #6 from Hans-Peter Holler 2009-12-06 19:11:40 UTC --- Why dropping a feature lasting since ages? Just because in GNOME environment someone decided this should be disabled by default? @Richard: who wanted this? @Stefan: as long as you are involved in X you've rejected these "enhancement requests", why now this turn? see bugs #561163 #561157 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c8 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #8 from Stefan Dirsch 2009-12-06 19:38:55 UTC --- You will always find users want to have tapping enabled and the other way round. Not matter what you're doing, it will always be wrong. At least now we have a consistent behaviour. The same applies to horizontal scrolling ... Feel free to discuss on your favorite opensuse ML ... -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c10 --- Comment #10 from Vincent Untz 2009-12-06 22:12:33 UTC --- (In reply to comment #9)

Touchpad tap is a common thing on other common OSes. OSx has it.. Windows has it. Users coming from those OSes expect it in my observation. I don't care what the default is, but being able to switch it back on for users coming from OSX/Windows is rather important.

At least in GNOME, it's really easy to change the behavior: just open the mouse preferences and check a checkbox... This bug was really just about the default setting. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c12 --- Comment #12 from Stefan Dirsch 2009-12-07 00:09:42 UTC --- (In reply to comment #9)

I have two issues with this change:

1. Touchpad tap is *enabled* by default on all KDE4.3.1 and 4.3.4 installs I've checked. I cannot find a KDE4 install (from oS 11.2) on a laptop/netbook where this is *disabled* as Stefan said.

What I said is that KDE does not enable it. I didn't say that it disables it. Apparently it's happy with the X default. BTW, if changing the default in KDE to enabled then we can forget about consistency again.

2. There is no Configure Desktop > Mouse option in KDE4 to toggle this back on for users that prefer touchpad tap (Gnome does have this option). Installing 3rd party apps such as Synaptics to control this is not an acceptable workaround.

Well, there is at least synclient. ;-)

Touchpad tap is a common thing on other common OSes. OSx has it.. Windows has it. Users coming from those OSes expect it in my observation. I don't care what the default is, but being able to switch it back on for users coming from OSX/Windows is rather important.

How should I know? I never use any of those OSes. This begs the question why GNOME believes it's a good idea to have it disabled by default. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c14 --- Comment #14 from Clayton smaug42 2009-12-07 07:51:37 UTC --- So, if touchpad tap is disabled in X, and KDE uses whatever X is set to... where does this leave KDE4 users who want touchpad tap enabled. As far as I can see, there is no visible option to turn it back on. (new Bugzilla time?) -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c16 --- Comment #16 from Clayton smaug42 2009-12-07 08:36:20 UTC --- Anything from the community repo only works IF you have internet access. That leaves users standing with no simple way to enable touchpad tap in KDE4 (just to keep consistent with Gnome which in this case is inconsistent with all other OSes I've used on laptops) Is that a new bug against KDE in Novel bugzilla or the upstream KDE bugzilla? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c18 Rihards Olups changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |richlv@nakts.net --- Comment #18 from Rihards Olups 2010-09-03 13:25:05 UTC --- hmm. i believe this has been a very bad decision :) 1. users expect tapping to work. i don't know about other operational systems, but as somebody noted, on other systems it works by default. i expected it to work - i almost filed a bug that it's broken... 2. the argument that it should be changed because gnome has it disabled by default is not valid. a) the purpose of the distribution for many people is to have software defaults changed in case developers hav no idea about usability ;) b) suse changes lots and lots of defaults from the upstream - even in places like bash. i understand and fully support the drive for consistency, it's just that i believe in this case reaching for a minor improvement (consistency) a major problem has been created - just look at all the users being confused... additionally, this is a significant problem with the live cd, which was the first time i noticed tapping not working and considered filing a bug. i did not file one because i was SURE this glaring and simple bug would be with a patch shortly after the release. so i would suggest reopening this issue and changing the default for the tapping to be enabled. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c20 --- Comment #20 from Stefan Dirsch 2010-09-03 14:35:30 UTC --- Aren't we back to my comment #15? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c22 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | --- Comment #22 from Stefan Dirsch 2010-09-03 14:49:23 UTC --- FWIW, having tapping disabled is the upstream default in latest xf86-input-synaptics driver release 1.3.0. Anyway, some project manager should decide about the behaviour for installation, GNOME and KDE. If KDE/Gnome want to use different settings a consistent behaviour for installation and afterwards is simply not possible. I don't care much about the default in X, but I would like to avoid to change it back and forth all the time. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c23 --- Comment #23 from Clayton smaug42 2010-09-03 14:52:23 UTC --- openSUSE/KDE4/Gnome has the ability to enable touch tap in the config settings. The enable/disable setting is there in a default openSUSE install for at least Gnome and KDE4. The issue isn't that you can re-enable it, it's that it's disabled in the first place. People coming to openSUSE from... say... Ubuntu... install and expect a similar experience. A default Gnome install from Ubuntu has touch tap enabled (or is has on every default 10.04 install I've done lately)... the user then installs openSUSE.. no touch tap, and they are either confused (as a new user) or annoyed. They expect touch tap to "just work"... not something they have to configure. I've had to explain countless times now to new-to-Linux users that the OS isn't broken, and yes their touchpad works correctly in Linux, they just need to enable it. I don't care which we have since I know how to enable/disable it, but I do expect a consistent experience compared to other equivalent distros and OSes... and we're not providing that... I think that's the point here. People don't expect to have to enable what is standard functionality on other desktops/OSes (just like they don't expect to have to configure something like a scroll wheel on a mouse). We do a good job in general in providing a nice smooth user experience with defaults etc, but this touch-tap thing is one that many users seem to trip over (at least those I deal with when I provide support for openSUSE installs seem to get trapped by this setting.). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-xorg-bugs@forge.pr |sndirsch@novell.com |ovo.novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c26 --- Comment #26 from Vincent Untz 2010-09-03 17:28:56 UTC --- (In reply to comment #23)

The issue isn't that you can re-enable it, it's that it's disabled in the first place.

FWIW, I disagree. You're talking about consistency with other OS, but did you check Fedora, for example? And what about consistency with upstream behavior? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c28 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Comment #28 from Stefan Dirsch 2010-09-06 09:55:28 UTC --- Thanks for taking a decision here, Coolo. Closing as WONTFIX now. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c30 --- Comment #30 from Rihards Olups 2010-12-18 13:21:35 UTC --- well, this decision didn't seem to me to be good at all, so... 1) it might be worth on this bug even though it is closed, just to see how annoying it is; 2) https://features.opensuse.org/310811 is a request for 11.4 to reenable taping -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c32 --- Comment #32 from Stefan Dirsch 2011-01-06 13:34:54 UTC ---

I can't believe this. People who freely admit that they don't know the first thing about it (comment #27: "I have no touchpad")

My guess is that Coolo is using a Lenovo Thinkpad, which only has a joystick instead of a touchpad. This is what I call unusable. ;-) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c34 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |giecrilj@stegny.2a.pl --- Comment #34 from Stefan Dirsch 2011-11-10 10:59:33 UTC --- *** Bug 729488 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729488 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=554884#c36 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |zoltan.ilyes@gmail.com --- Comment #36 from Stefan Dirsch 2012-03-08 10:51:38 UTC --- *** Bug 751100 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=751100 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.