https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227265 locilka@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|locilka@novell.com |lslezak@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227265 bluedzins@wp.pl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | ------- Comment #2 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2006-12-11 05:35 MST ------- Ok, such option exists but sorry, it is one of the worst design solutions I have ever seen. Update should mean update, install install, remove remove. Do not change the meaning of the words. That's the one thing -- the most important. The second one. I used system X.Y.Z. I had a chance to install frozen bubble. I used my system for a looooong time. And I didn't install this game. And all of the sudden, when updating the choice is made (automatically) to install this game for me, because probably for all those years I just didn't know how to do it, and now I could have it. Voila. Illumination. 1) please provide exact action for each choice -- for example, updating for updating 2) if you want to provide more actions make them optional -- not the other way, in such case user is really saying "update. no, no, not install+update, update. No, no, no format+update. Just update. No, no..." What is in opensuse it is actually a example for user nightmare because without checking every possible option you can never be sure if there is no extra "smart" option which is enabled by default and which does something the user does not want. In other words -- user cannot trust the software (how anyone can be sure that update by default does not mean "reformat all partitions except this one for update?"). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227265 lslezak@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID ------- Comment #4 from lslezak@novell.com 2006-12-11 06:30 MST ------- To comment #2: Update means "update to the standard system". After update you should have the same system as if you would do a complete installation. That's what the most users expect I think. There are two points: 1. The new version of the system might have some new functionality which requires new packages to be active. 2. It would be impossible to do installation support if every update could produce different result depending on your previous version. (Imagine update from the previous version and update from the version before it.) To comment #3: No, the concept of the installer is to propose reasonable values and let user confirm them. If the user wants to change something then it's possible just by clicking on the header in the proposal. It's much better than asking many questions like "Do you agree with A", "Do you wanto to do B?", "Are you sure?".... Do you think that a beginner user knows something about partitioning? No. It's better to offer reasonable value (resize a partition and create a new one) instead of asking strange questions. Conclution: The installation workflow won't be changed. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227265 lslezak@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | ------- Comment #6 from lslezak@novell.com 2006-12-11 09:03 MST ------- (In reply to comment #5)

And what is such thing as "standard system"? Is KDE is standard or Gnome is standard?

The desktop should be unchanged. If it is changed than it's a bug.

1) of course, this is beyond this discussion -- it is obvious to install REQUIRED libs 2) what is that scary in this? And how come such "standard system" means frozen bubble, chromium and other really must-have software?

AFAIK they are in the standard installation.

#3 You mean it is better to trash the data from the first disk in the system without asking, hmm, quite interesting design.

Of course not. If you do not want to use the proposed disk you can simply change it.

There are two question with one subquestion (which leads to two subquestion -- major saving btw.) and all this is simply obscure. Why not: o install fresh system right from the beginning o update only installed components [ ] add also new software

OK, it sounds reasonable. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227265 ------- Comment #8 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2006-12-11 09:33 MST ------- Ladislav, thanks :-), I hope opensuse will be only better much simpler and cleaner design. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227265 ------- Comment #10 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2006-12-12 00:59 MST ------- Lukas, I doubt it. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227375 Since I am asked for y2logs every time, I will save some space -- the logs are the same. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227265 locilka@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED ------- Comment #11 from locilka@novell.com 2007-04-11 10:30 MST ------- I have added a help text to that update proposal and made the proposal more visibly understandable. Unfortunately adding widget "[ ] add also new software" was impossible to implement because that dialog needs to show as few widgets as possible and adding it somewhere else didn't make sense because it's already accessible from the proposal. Additionally, I'm thinking about adding some one-click switches to that proposal, the same ones that are used in network proposal, for instance. However labeling of that one-click texts is quite difficult. All labels that say something useful are too long (Adding into my TODO). Anyway, fixed for now. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227265 Maciej Pilichowski changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|Enhancement |Minor Component|Installation |Installation Product|openSUSE 10.2 |openSUSE 10.3 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227265#c13 Maciej Pilichowski changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #13 from Maciej Pilichowski 2007-10-06 05:08:52 MST --- Ok, I found it. Hmm, I am not convinced it is right placement, but I'd better post another report for it. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.