https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=302159 Matej Horvath changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com |lslezak@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=302159 Matej Horvath changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com |mschmidkunz@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=302159#c3 --- Comment #3 from Maciej Pilichowski 2007-08-24 06:22:15 MST --- Stefan, I am fully aware that the information is given in details in various places. But... I am not color blind and yet I mostly use red/color indicator to search _FAST_ for new versions. Simply "go for blue". Comparing all digits in each version is a bit of a trouble (ok, for one package, but for 10, or 100, come on). Adding one (!) column extra with such mark (arrow) is: 1) fast as blue/red, or even faster (see below) 2) readable on selected items 3) friendly for color-blind people 4) sortable, yes! (and I would love it when I am about to upgrade KDE) Does anybody see any drawbacks of such marking? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=302159#c5 Maciej Pilichowski changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|software manager: newer/older versions, please |o |add visual mark | --- Comment #5 from Maciej Pilichowski 2007-08-24 14:27:36 MST ---

Yes. More clutter on the screen. More symbols to explain.

I don't agree with "symbols to explain" since you just presented the design that _has to_ be explained, but you are against self-explanatory symbol.

Please remember that this dialog is already overcrowded. I'd really like to simplify it, not make it even more complex.

Candidates for removal: installed version, available version, source (it is always empty so I assume nobody needs it, right?). Versions columns -- they don't bring any extra value, there is tab for this also. Another reason -- even with hires 1400x1050 those columns are off the screen.

We certainly don't want to exclude color-blind users, but at the same time I don't think we want to focus exclusively on them.

Nobody said anything about focusing exclusively on color-blind people. I forgot earlier about another advantage: 2.1) it works with single item (color indicator simply does not work, not only for color-blind people, try it)

As for sorting: Simply sort by version. This has been there since the 8.1 release, but obviously few people ever use it.

Age does not make any design better. And why only "few people" used it, let me take a look: a) column status sorts by status b) package name sorts by package c) summary sorts by summary d) size by size e) column inst.ver. sorts by difference in versions d) column avail.ver. sorts by... beats me, not by difference for sure g) column source sorts by vacuum So, in 7 columns 4 go with intuition. 3 of them are quite unpredictable and counter-intuitive and you say "simply"... :-)) Btw. I don't want to get into a long argument, I would like to see simple :-), polished, well-designed UI. I think visual mark adds real value to such wish. Ideas like sorting by A but in real by B are cumbersome and unless you try it, you cannot guess it just from looking at it -- i.e. imho they are bad. So for real they simply do not exist (in other words -- there is no delivered feature since it is well hidden). Visual marks on the other hands are obvious, are explicit, don't take too much space, and... see above. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=302159#c7 Nat Friedman changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Comment #7 from Nat Friedman 2007-10-18 09:46:18 MST --- Novell sold this product. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=302159 Nat Friedman changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|nat@novell.com |siegfried.olschner@novell.com Status|REOPENED |NEW -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.